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Posted: 2/27/2012 10:23:52 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by jagerfury:



Seeing as you give zero credibility to science, I am not concerned of having to reach some approval from you, like you need to find from your imaginary god that will have no problem roasting your little babies if it so wills it...
Thanks you have proven my point on several issues. #1 You're a liar. #2 You truly are a mental midget #3 You're a troll #4 You're a coward that makes statements and can't back them up. 
Tell us Jagerfury how does it  feel to be you? You have got to be the most miserable specimen of a man there is on this Earth.  Mindless and spineless are 2 words that come to mind when I think of you. 
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Posted: 2/27/2012 3:12:14 PM

Adam was human when he made sin by eating the fruit of knowledge.

1 Humanbeing(Adam) caused every newborn human had sin so it needed 1 Humanbeing(Jesus) to redeem for every human.

even long before Jesus was born, bible already had prophecies( in old testament) that one man will come and redeem and save whoever wants to be saved that is JESUS

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Posted: 2/27/2012 3:18:21 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by johnyjohn:

Adam was human when he made sin by eating the fruit of knowledge.

1 Humanbeing(Adam) caused every newborn human had sin so it needed 1 Humanbeing(Jesus) to redeem for every human.

even long before Jesus was born, bible already had prophecies( in old testament) that one man will come and redeem and save whoever wants to be saved that is JESUS

Shrek was an ogre who loved a beautiful princess.  One day, a donkey showed up that had the power of speech.  This donkey told Shrek that his beloved princess was worth fighting for.

Shrek found princess Fiona, even though there were many obstacles against him.  It was said he could never have her - but in the end - they found each other and since then no ogre has ever had to be unhappy.

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Posted: 2/27/2012 4:06:06 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by smoothd20:

I'm not trying to change the story. I'm asking for specifics. Who is the atheist? Just saying my "friend" we can't assume who the atheist is/was. #2 Did you talk to your friend  about this conversion? Saying it just happened sounds like a teenager trying to explain why they got drunk to their parents. Nothing "just happens". I appreciate your efforts but its falling short of the challenge. More specifics are needed as to who, what, where, how. Also we're not talking about 2nd hand information. You should be the one discussing directly with the individual about what made them change. Thanks for at least trying.

You're "exercise" is getting old for me.  

I went to college for 2 years with this guy.  He was destructive in relationships and even worse in general when he drank.  He got out of school and was never really happy.  Years went by and he got by, but he wasn't generally in a good place (I know this guy...he dated my sister). Heart of gold but just destructive.  He ended up meeting a guy (don't know his name).  He met this guy (friend of a friend) and they got to talking about the Bible.  He eventually convinced my friend to just sit down with him once to read and discuss the Bible.  He did.  He was intrigued enough so he did it again.  And the rest is history.  Pretty much his exact words:  "Nothing was really working for me.  I wasn't happy."

I know you're having fun with your little "experiment," but talking to a few others who had an "epiphany" and found God doesn't mean I'm going to have a similar experience.  

I've told you a million times, I'm a person who questions things by nature.  And when I don't get answers that make sense, I have skepticism.  It's just who I am.  Let it go.



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Posted: 2/27/2012 4:09:28 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:


You're "exercise" is getting old for me.  

I went to college for 2 years with this guy.  He was destructive in relationships and even worse in general when he drank.  He got out of school and was never really happy.  Years went by and he got by, but he wasn't generally in a good place (I know this guy...he dated my sister). Heart of gold but just destructive.  He ended up meeting a guy (don't know his name).  He met this guy (friend of a friend) and they got to talking about the Bible.  He eventually convinced my friend to just sit down with him once to read and discuss the Bible.  He did.  He was intrigued enough so he did it again.  And the rest is history.  Pretty much his exact words:  "Nothing was really working for me.  I wasn't happy."

I know you're having fun with your little "experiment," but talking to a few others who had an "epiphany" and found God doesn't mean I'm going to have a similar experience.  

I've told you a million times, I'm a person who questions things by nature.  And when I don't get answers that make sense, I have skepticism.  It's just who I am.  Let it go.



And it is exactly what god made you to be - a being with a big brain made for critical thinking.

But if you use it, you are going straight to HELL!!!!

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Posted: 2/27/2012 4:09:43 PM
Earth quakes are the result of a fallen world....I am sure you know about the story of Adam and Eve.....
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You're kidding, right?
 
Nah mate, this is basic theology.....The garden of Eden was described as a magnificent place as God walked with Adam and Eve (non literal sense), he gave one basic instruction which was not to eat from the tree of knowledge....because if they did they will surely die....Well, look at the world around you, i dont think he was kidding....we are seperated from God, and that is why Christ came down , to bridge that gap.


The question is....Can we apply the second law of thermodynamics to the supernatural world? Can we apply the number infinity to the super natrual world?

Of course we cant because we cant test it....

Rather, this now opens the possibility that the supernatural realm was eternal in the past

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Thank you for admitting that you don't know.

Well, we obviously cant test the supernatural, but it is OPEN to the possibility as i said...

I really really highly recommend you to look at current big bang cosmology and think criticallly about it....and make up your mind.



Who ever said it had to be the big bang or God?  I've said all along I don't know. 

And I don't know how that explains how earthquakes come from a fallen world.  

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Posted: 2/27/2012 4:10:53 PM
You're exercise. 

Your.  Trying to do 13 things at once.  
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Posted: 2/27/2012 4:23:02 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by D_Unit:

Atheist push their beliefs and agenda more than most Christians. They are the epitome of hyprocrisy. Christians will always be vivlified for their beliefs more so than any other. I've come to accept it, and pray for the ones who violently oppose.


They don't push there beliefs, many just tend to make fun of Christians.  I am not one of those (although I don't consider myself a true athiest).  I have been in many discussions with Christian friends/family....mostly asking questions.  

Why do you pray for the ones who violently oppose?  1. It's free will so God certainly isn't going to step in and do anything it.  2.  The person you pray for doesn't believe in God anyway.  

Seems senseless to me.

My dad had a friend who died of cancer.  As he was getting worse, my sister actually sent out an e-mail to the family imploring us to pray even harder for him.  What   People had prayed and he didn't get better.  So now God is going to go, "oh, I wasn't going to step in and help this guy (he was a TERRIFIC person, by the way...pillar of the community....8 awesome kids....completely committed to God), but now everyone is praying really hard.....I think I ought to step in."




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Posted: 2/28/2012 12:26:26 AM

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/vilenkins-verdict-all-the-evidence-we-have-says-that-the-universe-had-a-beginning/

"At a meeting of scientists – titled “State of the Universe” – convened last week at Cambridge University to honor Stephen Hawking’s 70th birthday, cosmologist Alexander Vilenkin of Tufts University in Boston presented evidence that the universe is not eternal after all, leaving scientists at a loss to explain how the cosmos got started without a supernatural creator?

Corinthians 1:19

 "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."

 

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Posted: 2/28/2012 11:35:56 AM
Hutch I will ask you to read my posts on the Challenge. Nowhere did I post that I hope you have a epiphany. I have already thanked you for trying but you keep coming back with the same tired story about friends of friends. Now it's the guy that dated your sister. You're like the kid in class that doesn't want to do the assignment the teacher ask and then gets mad when the teacher is telling you the work you did isn't what he asked for. This is so typical of atheists. You guys never seem to get to the heart of the matter because you simply don't want to. This challenge wasn't about me trying to convert anyone it was simply a way to put into perspective why people go from being atheist to theist and theist to atheist. I have already thanked you for at least trying but you keep posting the same thing over and over which isn't what I asked for. But in your mind you think you have done this correctly. It is what it is and I have explained on several occasions the proper way to conduct this challenge. But notice that like I predicted no atheist came forth to even accept the challenge. Why? Because the one thing I have learned about atheist on this thread and across the internet is that you guys aren't interested in answers but just a system of mental masturbation, back and forth bullshit that leads to nowhere. That way you guys can justify in your minds the ridiculous premise that there is no God and keep living the lie that you have created for yourselves. The evidence of this philosophy is abundantly clear in the atheist thought process. It shows in your actions. Your words mean diddly squat. The actions of the atheist is what I am talking about. So this endless discussion that you guys seem to thirst for is really all you want. This is why atheist are all cowards because they never want to put ACTION behind their WORDS. 
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Posted: 2/28/2012 12:07:31 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Rostos:

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intelligent-design/vilenkins-verdict-all-the-evidence-we-have-says-that-the-universe-had-a-beginning/

"At a meeting of scientists – titled “State of the Universe” – convened last week at Cambridge University to honor Stephen Hawking’s 70th birthday, cosmologist Alexander Vilenkin of Tufts University in Boston presented evidence that the universe is not eternal after all, leaving scientists at a loss to explain how the cosmos got started without a supernatural creator?

Corinthians 1:19

 "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."

 

scientists are not at a loss to explain they keep searching

christians are at a loss to explain, they give up and say it is "God's Will"

theerosionofprogressbyreligions 

 

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Posted: 2/28/2012 12:33:18 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by CRRECORDS:

scientists are not at a loss to explain they keep searching

christians are at a loss to explain, they give up and say it is "God's Will"

 

Scientists have been searching but can't come up with any conclusive explanations of how the universe came to be.

They have all these silly theories without any strong evidences to back anything up. It's more of a guessing game with them.

While the explanation of how the universe began was revealed to Moses by God some 3,450 yrs. ago.

God clearly told Moses, that in the beginning He created the heavens and the earth.

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Posted: 2/28/2012 1:08:31 PM
This is what the atheist do blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,  But you have achieved your goals of wasting your time and never having to face the truth.  It's quite sad actually. Maybe one day  that will happen to wake you guys up. Meanwhile yall just keep on  because that's really all you're about.
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Posted: 2/28/2012 3:00:50 PM
This is so typical of atheists. You guys never seem to get to the heart of the matter because you simply don't want to. This challenge wasn't about me trying to convert anyone it was simply a way to put into perspective why people go from being atheist to theist and theist to atheist.
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What exactly do you want me to get to the heart of?  Why certain people think a certain way?  What does that have to do with me? 
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Posted: 2/28/2012 3:08:20 PM

This is great.

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Posted: 2/28/2012 3:10:37 PM

Smoothd, SJD, ROSTOS - what do you think of this?

 

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You try to use  science as a weapon against Christians. Enlightened Christians realize that God is the head scientist. Theories about the Earth being 6,000 years old, evolution being a lie and other misguided fundamentalist ideas are ridiculous. But what the atheists have done is taking these antiquated ideas and try to use them as the fundamental reason why there is no God. This position is just as wrong. Like they say 2 wrongs don't make a right. Your reasoning for rejecting God are flawed and based on a fundamentalist notion that God is keeping score and sending everybody to hell that doesn't meet his standard. 
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ave you notice how Rostos, SJD and the other theist/Christians handle our differences. There are several points where we don't agree. Some of them small some of them not so small. But notice how they deal with them. They don't argue over every "T" being crossed or every "I" being dotted. You know why? Because these fine intelligent men are secure in their beliefs
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I did find it interesting that you said God didn't send people to hell......with hell being more of an absence of God (correct me if I'm wrong).  Where as SJD said in a post that it wouldn't be fun burning in hell.  

If you guys are so on the same page, how come you can't even agree on what hell is?
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By the way, SJD appears to need some enlightening.  


And smooth, there are many people who consider themselves Christians who don't think like you (apparently not enlightened).  What becomes of them?  What happens to a person who is not enlightened, but still considers themselves Christian?
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Posted: 2/28/2012 5:05:40 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by smoothd20:

This is what the religious nuts do blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,  But you have achieved your goals of wasting your time and never having to face the truth.  It's quite sad actually. Maybe one day  that will happen to wake you guys up. Meanwhile yall just keep on  because that's really all you're about.

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Posted: 2/28/2012 6:19:41 PM

Scientists just keep on trying to find ways to avoid God as the conclusion.

Eternal Inflation -

Cyclic Universe -

Eternal cosmic egg -

Multiverse -

Corinthians 1:19

"I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."

 

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Posted: 2/28/2012 10:46:42 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Rostos:

Scientists just keep on trying to find ways to avoid God as the conclusion.

Eternal Inflation -

Cyclic Universe -

Eternal cosmic egg -

Multiverse -

Corinthians 1:19

"I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."

 

You quote the Bible and have been a supporter of smooth and SJD throughout this debate.  SJD talks about people burning in hell and smooth says that hell is a lack of not having God in your life (correct me if I'm wrong, smooth).  Christianity has been around for a long time.  Why did it take so long for certain people to be "enlightened."  Just think of all the people who missed the boat.  

What exactly is hell to you Rostos? 

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Posted: 2/28/2012 10:51:24 PM

They have all these silly theories without any strong evidences to back anything up. It's more of a guessing game with them.

While the explanation of how the universe began was revealed to Moses by God some 3,450 yrs. ago.

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Doesn't make it true.  Means you repeated something in a book.  I don't see this as an "enlightened" view based on what smooth has said. 

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Posted: 2/28/2012 11:26:16 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:

You quote the Bible and have been a supporter of smooth and SJD throughout this debate.  SJD talks about people burning in hell and smooth says that hell is a lack of not having God in your life (correct me if I'm wrong, smooth).  Christianity has been around for a long time.  Why did it take so long for certain people to be "enlightened."  Just think of all the people who missed the boat.  

What exactly is hell to you Rostos? 

Hell is seperation from God. It is a decision made by people that they want to be seperated from God  for eternity.

Just look at this forum, you can see these type of people here

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Posted: 2/29/2012 12:59:40 PM

Beliefs are derived from deductive reasoning....

Look at a married couple, do they have empriical or scientific evidence that they will be together till they die? Of course not, so why do they get married? Because of the faith and trust they have in each other..they dervied there faith fron there deductive reasoning, ie, do they get along, find each other attractive, have the same goals, ie kids, travel etc etc...If the answer is yes, then they are more likely to stay with each other making trust in each other more plausable.

Now apply this to God, look at the world around you, complexities, order, laws, natural beauty etc etc, do you deduct from this that it all happened by pure dumb blind luck with no reason for it at all or there was a creator behind it?

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