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Posted: 1/2/2010 1:33:04 PM
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I have tracked John Morrison for 3 years now, MLB and NBA.  Played a few times and learned quickly you must follow his system to the T for it to work.  Couple of things that I dont like.

Doesnt post losses, finds way to get around it or changes the system so it will not count as a loss.

Tie in with BETUS, which is the worst sportsbook because of the spreads they give you on the his plays.

Never ever take Free play using his system since you cant get additional points needed because its Free Play.

Do keep up with his changes on the system as they occur, stay the course, stay the course, stay the course.  Bet Small year 1, test his theory's and use your own judgement and not by reading someone else's opinion.  Consider it a learning curve.

Originally Posted by Ryanp26:

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Lippsman is dead on. I have experienced it first hand.
Upon losing my job about 5 months ago, i looked at my options in terms of investment, and certain aspects of real estate, automotive and sports gambling looked like the best way to scratch out 60k a year. I do subscribe to the statistical tendency theory, meaning that I like to find trends that are historically profitable, about an avg of 12 units a year, and apply those angles. The only thing I am look for from sports betting is my long term goal, I don't really expect to see results for the next 4 years, but I feel I am getting a grip.
Part of my learning experience has been hours upon hours of reading what people give me as information, followed by hours and hours of researching historical information to verify the accuracy. I have found that information from people like vanzack have allowed me to be exactly where I wanted to be after 5 months- Extremely well informed with minimal red numbers.
One of the first things I did was buy morrisons sytem- not with dreams of $$$, but with a skepticism to learn why it would work or not work.
As I checked it, I dumped a measly $500 into Betus because I was just initiating myself. Vaneck, if I could say one thing, you are extremely knowledgable, but these things shouldn't be beyond your comprehension anymore. The current economic state is going to bring a helluva lot of suckers to the gaming industry in the short term, but it will also bring with it some people who will exhibit the determination, patience and money management to be successful enough to fulfill the abilities to be successful at this, atleast as thier budgets see fit.
While I agree that people using Betus as thier main book is obviously a flaw, I can surely comprehend why the book will make money and have no qualms about the line movements they offer. I am the fool if I continue to use it, and I am sure amny fools will. If there is one thing I have learned to be true, its that the term "gambling" has got to be the most accurate noun given to name a particular industry. These Betus people are playing by the rules... because they set thier own.
Ironically, I signed on one day and saw the same line as mentioned above- Feb 24th, Charlotte. On Betus main page, there was a blurb, Cha +7. Right when I signed on, it went to 5.5. I didnt need to be an expert on steam to realize, instantly, that this is because of the $100 a head fee that sportsbettingchamp.com  is getting.
I also understand this- If a small time book is adjusting its line by a pt and a half consistently.... then someone is on to something. You can't deny that.
I guess, what I'm saying is that Betus is pulling some bullshit, and people should avoid them because there are better options out there.  To hate on Morrison, I am learning, is to not understand the game.
Personally, I don't bet on Morrisons word. I don't like the fact that his rules (3 straight Non conference, but 3pts, no firts place or last place teams, no teasm with star injuries) are not consitent to his picks. I also acknowledge the fact that, had I been making his suggested plays, I would be up 50 units on the NBA. Betus or not.
I also acknowledge that his system is very, very high risk, when 1 lose equals -18 units, you may have  a 50+unit NBA season, but you can just as soon have a -50unit season with a mere 5 to 6 loses.
Put it to ya this way- Morrsion is getting his garbage to the point where, win or lose, he is still profitable. He is using peoples uneducated risks to do so. Sound familiar?? Sounds like the books to me.
I find it hard to hate on a man who is using the system to profit  the same way the system itself uses people to profit. I have learned that the gambling industry is more organized than the government, and I don't care if you are American, Swiss, Iranian, or North Korean, that sentence holds true. If you can make money in this, and it doesnt result in handcuffs, then I applaude you.
I have learned that the stupidity of the general public is the only reason this website exsists. Clap for the men who profit from it. Otherwise, you are jealous, and you are displaying emotions that do not equate to successful handicapping.
If the guy says hes 69-0, and hes not, but people are still paying him, then stop acting like this is a clean business and he should clean up... darn, thats so stupid when you think about it.
Please, I am learning, and reactions always help. If you see a flaw in my logic, please attack it. I'll take any and all information, even if i don't agree with it. I know that this thread doesnt hold much criticism towards Morrison, but I'm also aware of what some of the posters have said of him elsewhere. I have learned a lot from some of the names above, namely vanzack, kangy and Lipps, so giving me garbage is welcome, just keep it constructive please. I speak with respect, keep that in mind.
 I just don't understand all the hate.
 
 
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Posted: 1/22/2010 5:22:16 AM
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So if you just bet by yourself and you have a BETUS Account is it all good? Bc I have been using them for over 2.5 Years and never had a problem with them....

Any other books to Suggest thru Money Gram?

This is def a discussion I want to be in bc I will deposit my nice amount. Let me know.
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Posted: 1/22/2010 7:23:47 AM
HAD A NCAAB GAME COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO -22 LOOKED UP LINE MOVEMENT ON COVERS AND BETUS NEVER WENT OVER 19 ALL DAY. IM BACK WITH THE GREEK. BETUS CHEATS!!!!!!!!!1
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Posted: 1/23/2010 4:51:49 PM
there's a guy who got fleeced by this scam,..and has started his own site , called www.sportsbettingchump.com

you can tell he's not a satisfied customer....so  much so , he has all 3 "Morrison systems",..the MLB , NBA ,NFL available on his site.....for free.........

just so people don't send any money to these guys who scamming everyone.
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Posted: 1/25/2010 6:47:49 AM
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Originally Posted by VAPORTRAIL:

there's a guy who got fleeced by this scam,..and has started his own site , called www.sportsbettingchump.com

you can tell he's not a satisfied customer....so  much so , he has all 3 "Morrison systems",..the MLB , NBA ,NFL available on his site.....for free.........

just so people don't send any money to these guys who scamming everyone.

That guy who runs that site really did his homework.  He posted addresses, phone numbers, relative names and addresses.  How they all match up.  I wonder if they changed their numbers yet???

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Posted: 1/25/2010 11:20:02 AM
WHAT SCUM BAGS, LIKE LEGENDS PROFILE THERE PLAYERS
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Posted: 1/26/2010 1:27:56 PM

dumped betus 2 years ago. total clowns.

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Posted: 1/26/2010 2:02:51 PM
its time the us lets us set up accounts in nv so this garbage doesnt happen
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Posted: 1/26/2010 5:29:01 PM

dont you guys have locals with offshore sites,Why would you ever pay before you put a bet in.You win you get payed next  friday ,you lose you pay the next friday.

Im shocked people give out credit cards  or deposit money like a poker site to gamble? 

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Posted: 1/29/2010 12:52:32 AM

using your credit card to place wagers on-line/off-shore is without

a doubt the biggest mistake a player can make...the reasons are

numerous, and incriminating

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Posted: 2/1/2010 6:45:23 AM
wow i am so glad these guys are exposed like this. I never signed up with these guys but they keep calling me trying to get me to sign up and morrisson emails me bs signup bonuses there... i hope the word continues to get out and nobody ever signs up with them  again. If you have money there now good luck getting it out.. once they realize the new customer well is dry they will not give anybody a penny..  
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Posted: 2/7/2010 7:23:29 AM

Hey Lipp, I used to try that hockey crap years ago with you guys. Never could get my head straight with that. Always enjoyed 3 girls.

The forum has passed my old behind by since I'm back on.

I want to do a friend thing and talk in private about something.I'll be here. Just something curious?

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Posted: 2/23/2010 2:15:21 PM
Hi everyone,
I am new on here, but I am mighty glad I found you. I have had a look around and this seems a great forum and site.
I live in the UK, but follow US sports as well as football(soccer) in my own country.
Your expose about Sports Betting Champ has saved me a whole lot of grief. Thanks guys.
I hope you do not mind, but I used a bit of the information on my Squidoo Lens because it is so good.

Regards

Chris
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Posted: 2/23/2010 6:31:30 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Pecador:

Hey Lipp, I used to try that hockey crap years ago with you guys. Never could get my head straight with that. Always enjoyed 3 girls.

The forum has passed my old behind by since I'm back on.

I want to do a friend thing and talk in private about something.I'll be here. Just something curious?

You can always PM me.

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Posted: 3/10/2010 9:03:59 PM
So, if I buy the morrison system and just bet at my local casino here in Nevada and never deviate from the system can't I turn a profit and not get ripped by this BetUs.com crap?   you guys really seem to know what the real deal is and i am interested what your vast pool of knowledge thinks. 
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Posted: 3/10/2010 11:02:20 PM
Don't buy the system.  All it will take is a couple of losses and you will get burnt bigtime for the season.
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As an fyi to everyone this goes further than the "chase system".  I have been with betus for quite sometime now and have found they do change the lines from what is originally posted to what the line is after i login.  They identify betting patterns and adjust the lines accordingly.  The funny thing for me is sometimes they adjust the lines in my favor.  It really is a joke, but since i am not part of any betting system, it is kind of like being in vegas playing blackjack with someone that doesn't know what he is doing.  Sometimes him hitting 13 into a 6 will help you, somtimes not.   As long as they pay out (which they have for me so far) I could care less.  They are just outsmarting themselves.
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Posted: 4/24/2010 4:59:18 PM
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Originally Posted by heatformer:

its time the us lets us set up accounts in nv so this garbage doesnt happen

no garbage!  if people are going to gamble anyway, no matter what state they are in, why not keep the industry inside our country instead of sending all of this money elsewhere?

let Vegas return to being the captains of the industry, and let those books, with solid reputations, handle the accounts...

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Posted: 4/24/2010 5:00:38 PM
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Originally Posted by bigdimes222:

As an fyi to everyone this goes further than the "chase system".  I have been with betus for quite sometime now and have found they do change the lines from what is originally posted to what the line is after i login.  They identify betting patterns and adjust the lines accordingly.  The funny thing for me is sometimes they adjust the lines in my favor.  It really is a joke, but since i am not part of any betting system, it is kind of like being in vegas playing blackjack with someone that doesn't know what he is doing.  Sometimes him hitting 13 into a 6 will help you, somtimes not.   As long as they pay out (which they have for me so far) I could care less.  They are just outsmarting themselves.

thanks for creating a whole new account just to tell us that and ease all of our concerns...

oh, on a side note... BULLSHIT!

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Originally Posted by bigdimes222:

As an fyi to everyone this goes further than the "chase system".  I have been with betus for quite sometime now and have found they do change the lines from what is originally posted to what the line is after i login.  They identify betting patterns and adjust the lines accordingly.  The funny thing for me is sometimes they adjust the lines in my favor.  It really is a joke, but since i am not part of any betting system, it is kind of like being in vegas playing blackjack with someone that doesn't know what he is doing.  Sometimes him hitting 13 into a 6 will help you, somtimes not.   As long as they pay out (which they have for me so far) I could care less.  They are just outsmarting themselves.

Damn Necroer...let the thread die in peace...

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Posted: 4/28/2010 12:35:46 PM

Excellent and informative Information Bravo to you !

Are you aware of Bodog's profiling your wagering habits and offering lines that are higher because of your 'tendancies'

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Posted: 4/28/2010 1:54:47 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Waz44:

Excellent and informative Information Bravo to you !

Are you aware of Bodog's profiling your wagering habits and offering lines that are higher because of your 'tendancies'

I really dont see the problem with the line movement.  You can still go the other way. Does the tout say not only play this ..but you have to play it at this sportsbook.  How silly is that?  Yes I think its good that this was revealed because any info is a plus...but if I got a play I want to make...I am not going to get mad at a book because the line they have was a disadvantage to me...I will just make the play at another book with a better line!   I reallty dont see the problems with that.  I bet at 3 different sites....one of them I maybe play 1 out of 30 plays with them because their lines are always worse than the other two.  But I am not mad...I just dont play!!  

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Posted: 4/28/2010 7:30:29 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Lippsman:

I'm sure most of you are not surprised and this has actually been discussed is some forums here.
 
For those of you that don't know here it is.
 
How the scam works: When players sign up with BetUS through the Sportsbettingchamp.com website, BetUS identifies that player as a “Chase system” referral. When that player wants to make a play released by the tout, BetUS deals a unique, higher-priced line on that game for that specific player. It is similar to a grocery store changing price tags after they find out what you were sent to purchase.

For example, on March 23, 2009, the “Chase system” told the players to bet on the Los Angeles Clippers. BetUS and most books were offering a spread of +15 for this game. Most BetUS players, including those referred to BetUS through other professional handicapper websites received the fair line of +15. Players who were referred to BetUS from the Sportsbettingchamp's website were offered a line of +13.5.

Other recent examples of dealing inflated lines only to the tout’s subscribers include:

March 7, 2009: Golden State Warriors +6 (vs +8)
March 3, 2009: Toronto Raptors +6.5 (vs +8)
March 1, 2009: Toronto Raptors +4.5 (vs +6)
February 24, 2009: Charlotte Hornets +5.5 (vs +7)

In every case, the alternate line is only on games released by the tout, and always hurts the player following paying for the pick. The BetUs customer essentially pays much more than he or she realizes. BetUS’s tactic of moving the line against these players means that instead of charging the normal -110 for these wagers, BetUS is effectively charging these players -140 – FOUR TIMES the usual bookmaker commission.

Info from SBR
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Posted: 4/28/2010 7:36:08 PM

thanks ,to let peoples(public)known about john morrison and us bet related to him ,i loss a lots of money from that guys

he tell peoples he a PHD IN STATICTICS ,also ask peoples buy service from him open the account to US bet  10 picks he giving out wrong 5 to 6 picks,also aking peoples do marketing for him,i think this guy you guys and public keep the eyes on him this is scam and cheating peoples need to becareful this kind of person and us bet related with him

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