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mariner24	RSI View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Veteran Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 2131 Location: New York	#1 Posted: 4/12/2012 10:39:17 PM why do you miss atleast half the year when u get a concussion in hockey? Football players get them and they get back in and play in the same game!! i dont get it. why cant these guys suck it up? are there more extreme tests they hafta pass or something or are they just a bunch of pussies?
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Rookie Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 879 Location:	#2 Posted: 4/12/2012 10:46:48 PM depends on the gravity of the concoussion, for instance Chris Pronger is out since almost the start of the season, and most likely wont return for the remainder of the playoffs, some say his carrer is in jeopardy
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Veteran Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 3016 Location: Alberta	#3 Posted: 4/12/2012 10:50:44 PM athletes now a days, for the most part are a bunch of over paid prima donna's.
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Captain Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 6997 Location: Ontario	#4 Posted: 4/12/2012 10:54:01 PM in hockey a lot of concussions are due to torsional (or rotational) blows to the head which have been found to generally be the most severe, as opposed to a direct blow, like football where it is due to the brain hitting either the back or front of the skull. Their are multiple variables to determine severity of concussions and I think with some of the recent serious ones (sidney, pronger, savard) players and teams are becoming much more cautious. Also research is showing a lot of bad long term effects of multiple concussions so athletes must also take their life after sport into consideration. Concussions have nothing to do with level of toughness the person has no control of the symptoms or pain, unlike muscle pain that can be managed through medications and therapy.
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Veteran Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 4930 Location: Massachusetts	#5 Posted: 4/12/2012 10:55:36 PM Are you talking about the same pussies that get their teeth knocked out and don't miss a shift??? Or get a broken jaw and get back on the ice in a few weeks with a cage. Or get a broken nose (Stevie Stamkos) go into the locker room to get it set and come back out the next period to play with it packed with gauze. These guys are some of the toughest you will ever meet in sports. You are actually advocating guys putting their careers and lives in jeopardy to come back ASAP. Bad thread.
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Polar_Bear	RSI View Space \| Blog \| Friends \| Playbook \|
MVP Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 17623 Location: Ontario	#6 Posted: 4/12/2012 10:57:19 PM a) It's a cultural thing. b) The NFL players union is a friggin joke. Those two for starters. It has zero to do with choice of the individual player. Hockey players never use to sit out either. But as guys started suffering long term affects and in some cases death from brain trauma later in life, the sport chose to change the way they handle things. Seeing as they are after all dealing with human lives. In the football culture they simply don`t give a darn about you, your brain, your life after football, wether you can walk properly later in life etc. All they give a darn about is if you can go back out on the field and make a play for them. If it turns out to be your last season then they will replace you, and tell your wife to tie a friggin string around a finger on one of your hands, so that you know to go left or right to find your way home from the corner store, because your brain won`t let you remember. Just ask Merril Hoge the ex Steelers back. He tells the story of how his wife used to have to come get him at the corner store because he could not remember his way home after going out to buy something just a few blocks away. Bet he did not feel to tough when he made those phone calls to be rescued like a 4 year old 3 blocks from his house. Hockey people care about their people. Football people could give two people about their people.
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mariner24	RSI View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Veteran Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 2131 Location: New York	#7 Posted: 4/12/2012 10:57:32 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by looch17: in hockey a lot of concussions are due to torsional (or rotational) blows to the head which have been found to generally be the most severe, as opposed to a direct blow, like football where it is due to the brain hitting either the back or front of the skull. Their are multiple variables to determine severity of concussions and I think with some of the recent serious ones (sidney, pronger, savard) players and teams are becoming much more cautious. Also research is showing a lot of bad long term effects of multiple concussions so athletes must also take their life after sport into consideration. Concussions have nothing to do with level of toughness the person has no control of the symptoms or pain, unlike muscle pain that can be managed through medications and therapy. whats a torsional blow and how would your brain smack around different than just hitting the front or back of your head?
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mariner24	RSI View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Veteran Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 2131 Location: New York	#8 Posted: 4/12/2012 11:02:54 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by BooBunny: Are you talking about the same pussies that get their teeth knocked out and don't miss a shift??? Or get a broken jaw and get back on the ice in a few weeks with a cage. Or get a broken nose (Stevie Stamkos) go into the locker room to get it set and come back out the next period to play with it packed with gauze. These guys are some of the toughest you will ever meet in sports. You are actually advocating guys putting their careers and lives in jeopardy to come back ASAP. Bad thread. i know SOME hockey players are tough as darn. but some seem to milk their injurys while still collecting that paycheck.... jonathan toews brain MIRACULOUSLY heals for game 1 of the playoffs? and hes clearly fine; scoring the 1st goal. i beleive there alot more concussions in hockey than we all know of, and those guys suck it up and get back out there, while some premadonas milk their time off
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metalbill	RSI View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Veteran Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 3016 Location: Alberta	#9 Posted: 4/12/2012 11:03:59 PM if i had an opportunity to get my name, and team mates names engraved into lord stanley, there wouldn't be a doctor on the planet that would keep me off the ice. but ya i understand if your hurt, your hurt. it's a decision you gotta make i guess. everyone is different.
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mariner24	RSI View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Veteran Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 2131 Location: New York	#10 Posted: 4/12/2012 11:05:52 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by Polar_Bear: a) It's a cultural thing. b) The NFL players union is a friggin joke. Those two for starters. It has zero to do with choice of the individual player. Hockey players never use to sit out either. But as guys started suffering long term affects and in some cases death from brain trauma later in life, the sport chose to change the way they handle things. Seeing as they are after all dealing with human lives. In the football culture they simply don`t give a darn about you, your brain, your life after football, wether you can walk properly later in life etc. All they give a darn about is if you can go back out on the field and make a play for them. If it turns out to be your last season then they will replace you, and tell your wife to tie a friggin string around a finger on one of your hands, so that you know to go left or right to find your way home from the corner store, because your brain won`t let you remember. Just ask Merril Hoge the ex Steelers back. He tells the story of how his wife used to have to come get him at the corner store because he could not remember his way home after going out to buy something just a few blocks away. Bet he did not feel to tough when he made those phone calls to be rescued like a 4 year old 3 blocks from his house. Hockey people care about their people. Football people could give two people about their people. great point i used to live with an ex nfler, who works with the retired players trying to get them more benefits.. the league didnt pay these guys garbage in the 70's and earlier and they have all sorts of health problems now and cant even take care of themselves cause they are broke and have no health benefits, even though they helped pave the way for all these multi-million dollar crybabies who wont share a penny of their money to help out these oldtimers that founded the very league they play in
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BooBunny	View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Veteran Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 4930 Location: Massachusetts	#11 Posted: 4/12/2012 11:18:12 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by mariner24: i know SOME hockey players are tough as darn. but some seem to milk their injurys while still collecting that paycheck.... jonathan toews brain MIRACULOUSLY heals for game 1 of the playoffs? and hes clearly fine; scoring the 1st goal. i beleive there alot more concussions in hockey than we all know of, and those guys suck it up and get back out there, while some premadonas milk their time off I will give you that some players desire to come back sooner rather than later may be stronger than others...but if you look at some of the problems players like Chris Pronger...Patrice Bergeron...Marc Savard...Sidney Crosby...Eric Lindros and Nathan Horton have had...it is really sad. I mean Pronger and Savard are done...Crosby could be one more away from being done and I know it took Patrice about 18 months to be back playing at a top level when he got his. These guys have wives...kids and families and they have to also think about living 40 or 50 years after they leave the game.
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