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Posted: 9/25/2012 1:21:07 PM
I play in a 16 team league with a bunch of guys that all know each other. It's my 4th year in the league and I have never failed to make the playoffs, but have never won the league either. It's a grand to the winner with weekly high score prizes as well, so there is a decent amount of money at stake, and it is an extremely competitive league. 

My issue is this: my trades keep getting vetoed after they are accepted by the other party. We have a three day veto period and only need 7 people of the 14 not involved in the trade to veto. 

After week 1, I tried to trade Welker and Spiller for Megatron. This week I tried to trade Welker, Spiller, and Michael Bush for Arian Foster, DeSean Jackson, and Santonio. 

Same thing happened, accepted by other party, then vetoed by the league. 

The reasons others are giving is that they don't want me trading two "back up RB's" for Foster. Other reasons are the teams in my division don't want me getting Foster(I have Brees as my QB and would wind up with 2 of the top 6 guys drafted in the league). 

This is bull garbage and are not valid reasons to veto my trade. There is absolutely no collusion or shady dealings in any of my trades. 

My question is: Is there anything I can do? I did agree to the terms of the leauge, and our veto policy has been in place every previous year I have been in the league. Veto's have never been a problem before. I love playing in this league because of it's competitive nature and friendly banter. But this is affecting my chances at winning this league and it's getting frustrating. 
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Posted: 9/25/2012 4:54:48 PM
I am not sure you can do anything. I'm in a similar league where most trades get vetoed. They don't understand that unless there is collusion, you shouldn't veto a trade.

Only thing I would suggest but doubt it would work is to clearly define the rules to veto a trade. You shouldn't be able to veto b/c you don't want one guy to have so many good players.

Sorry dude, shitty deal.
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Posted: 9/25/2012 4:58:19 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by FrozenTundra:

I am not sure you can do anything. I'm in a similar league where most trades get vetoed. They don't understand that unless there is collusion, you shouldn't veto a trade.

Only thing I would suggest but doubt it would work is to clearly define the rules to veto a trade. You shouldn't be able to veto b/c you don't want one guy to have so many good players.

Sorry dude, shitty deal.

I think you're right tundra. Doesn't look like I can do to much. I'm posing these issues on the league message board and I will have to wait and see what type of reaction the league has. 
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Posted: 9/25/2012 5:14:22 PM
Find a commish who knows what the F he is doing 
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Posted: 9/25/2012 5:24:49 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by ManRam24:

Find a commish who knows what the F he is doing 

I do have problems with commissioners don't I Manram?

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Posted: 9/26/2012 11:11:44 PM
I had a situation earlier on but regardless if a deal gets vetoed whether justifiable or not, it is what it is! If a deal get's vetoed, there are enough GMs out there for whatever reasons not wanting the trade to go through!

There are GMs out there looking out for themselves and strategically vetoing, which may be "unethical" but you can't hold it against them. The end prize is the ultimate reward and when money is involved, every man for himself so to speak.

The "no collusion" commandment in itself is only a commandment. Not a rule!
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Posted: 9/26/2012 11:18:51 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by kiwipride1983:

I had a situation earlier on but regardless if a deal gets vetoed whether justifiable or not, it is what it is! If a deal get's vetoed, there are enough GMs out there for whatever reasons not wanting the trade to go through!

There are GMs out there looking out for themselves and strategically vetoing, which may be "unethical" but you can't hold it against them. The end prize is the ultimate reward and when money is involved, every man for himself so to speak.

The "no collusion" commandment in itself is only a commandment. Not a rule!

Thanks Kiwi. 

I actually have an issue with the no collusion thing though. I know I am going to sound hypocritical for saying this: I actually colluded with another player in my very first year in the league. The league called bull garbage on us and voided our deal. 

Now in hindsight I agree with what the league did and understand why each owner voted for that. However, If collusion wasn't allowed back then, why should a different form of it be allowed now? 
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Posted: 9/27/2012 1:00:49 AM
You could argue a case for and against trades and at the end of the day no one is wrong or right. 

The fact is that people trade to "improve" their team. It is also a fact that as a competitor, do you really want to see your competitors improve. Natural instinct is that if you're not involved in a trade, you'll gonna veto it. It happens! 

Now, what happens to the guy that uses his skill and knowledge and gets a good deal? Should he be rewarded accordingly for such trade? Should it be fair that when each GM signs up into a league, they should be given the right to manage their team accordingly and trust each GM to trade with "fairness"? Mind you having said that, if that is the case I hate playing in leagues with "retards" because even though GMs could find themselves in competitive leagues, there are a minute few that fit this category or are big risk takers...

Personally, I'm not a fan of trades. I believe that a competent GM should come out of the draft knowing he did a good job and should look forward to the season with confident. The "let each GM do their own thing" and as long as there are no collusion, let trades through, I'm not a fan of - hate me for it, but I'm a strategist and I do what I need to do to win (and feel that people who needs to trade see weakness in their team - even although their team may still be competitive). And I'd hate to be a GM that "rips" someone off, not my style! 
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Posted: 9/27/2012 1:02:00 AM
No problems with the first offer but I may have voted against your second offer.  Michael Bush?  Why?  That's Forte's backfield.  That would be my only gripe.  
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Posted: 9/27/2012 10:26:39 AM
Fade, bush is a TD vulchor. Even with Forte at full strength Bush was approaching double digits each week. This is a 16 team league where guy like Ronnie Brown, Curtis Brinkley, Knowshon Moreno and Bilal Powell actually get starting spots.

10 points by any running back is pretty good in this league. Bush has value in a deep league.
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Posted: 9/27/2012 12:08:49 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Ktrain:

Fade, bush is a TD vulchor. Even with Forte at full strength Bush was approaching double digits each week. This is a 16 team league where guy like Ronnie Brown, Curtis Brinkley, Knowshon Moreno and Bilal Powell actually get starting spots.

10 points by any running back is pretty good in this league. Bush has value in a deep league.

You're right.  I over looked the fact that it's a 16 team league.  I've never played with more than 12.  You would get no veto from me.  It's already been said but even if those guys are voting for the wrong reasons,  there's nothing you can do about it except call them unethical.  Money = motivation
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