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#1 Posted: 1/16/2012 11:16:35 PM .....Doug Nussmeier. 
Congrats.........should be a nice step up.
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#2 Posted: 1/16/2012 11:57:12 PM lol well his career is over. |
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#3 Posted: 1/17/2012 12:38:38 AM Good spot for him ....
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#4 Posted: 1/17/2012 2:45:41 AM I heard the worst two words I could have possibly heard about him today. He was described to me as a "McElwain clone." 
Please God . . . NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

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#5 Posted: 1/17/2012 3:58:39 AM From what i read he could be a good fit for A.J. |
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#6 Posted: 1/17/2012 6:59:42 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by jimmydafreak: I heard the worst two words I could have possibly heard about him today. He was described to me as a "McElwain clone." 
Please God . . . NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

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#7 Posted: 1/17/2012 8:30:22 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:
I heard the worst two words I could have possibly heard about him today. He was described to me as a "McElwain clone." 
Please God . . . NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

Jimmy first off I respect your insight on games. Your usually spot on.
Saban is never going to air it out. He is going to play ball control and beat you physically with the run game and his defense. He figures he is going to score 7+ with his defense every game and his defense will setup another 10+ points. So he gets to dictate how the game goes 90%+ of the time. He will win 90% + of the time doing it this way.
OC corrdinator is always going to be handcuffed under Saban. Defense wins!! |
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#8 Posted: 1/17/2012 12:28:54 PM In all seriousness, Nuss is suppose to a pretty good QB coach, so I guess we shall see. I'm certainly not going to criticise the guy before he steps on campus. You have to put a little faith in Saban here to make a good hire. Personally I would have loved to see Saban hire Ralph Friegen.
2012 may shape up to be a year much like 2010 for the Tide where they may need their offense to bail the defense out of a game or two. Except the for the 2009 Auburn game, McElwain's offense never won a single game for the team the entire time he was on campus. Every other time the team needed McElwain's offense to step up and win a game for the team, they failed miserably. Hopefully Nussmeier's offenses don't nut-up in clutch time like McElwain's offenses were prone to do.
Mugg I feel for you bro. Unfortunately that's a problem with a program like Washington. Many coaches invariably view the school as a stepping stone to a more high profile job, and right now they don't come any more high profile than working for Nick Saban. You can't hardly blame the guy for making the jump.

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#9 Posted: 1/17/2012 12:56:00 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by rhslurve6:
Jimmy first off I respect your insight on games. Your usually spot on.
Saban is never going to air it out. He is going to play ball control and beat you physically with the run game and his defense. He figures he is going to score 7+ with his defense every game and his defense will setup another 10+ points. So he gets to dictate how the game goes 90%+ of the time. He will win 90% + of the time doing it this way.
OC corrdinator is always going to be handcuffed under Saban. Defense wins!!
I don't agree that Saban does, has or will handcuff his OC. I hear that a lot and don't agree with it primarily because the notion runs contrary to what Saban has said ever since he has arrived on campus. (Note: I in no way intend for this to be a dig at LSU, but for lack of a better comparison I will use them). Saban does not want to be what LSU was offensively this season which was primarily a one-dimensional power running team. Among other things, Saban knows that is very bad for recruiting.
In the case of LSU, they had two highly touted 5* wide receivers coming out of high school. Reuben Randall was suppose to be the next Julio Jones. Wide receiver is a position LSU should have had a big advantage over Alabama, but they didn't have the QB/passing game to exploit the advantage. This is exactly what Saban doesn't want.
He doesn't want to recruit a Julio Jones, or some other extraordinary talent and then find himself in a position of not being able to make the best use of that talent because of a weakness at another position.
There are basically three things Saban demands of his offense coordinator.
1. They MUST run a pro-style offense. Among other reasons, that's the personel he has recruited, and that is what he told recruits he would run, so that's not changing.
2. The offense must be balance. As hard as I have been on McElwain, the one thing he certainly accomplished was balanace. McElwain called almost the exact same number of passes as runs.
3. Probably most important of all, don't turn the ball over. In other words, don't lose the game.
Beyond these three things, Saban pretty much gives his OC free reign to do whatever he wants.
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#10 Posted: 1/17/2012 3:31:23 PM UW needs to reload with Rich Rod and Leach in conference we are reverting to Pac 10 roots of playing without defense |
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#11 Posted: 1/17/2012 5:18:12 PM Alabama needs an OC that can talk Saban into more passing.
Next season will be tuff on Alabama having a new OC and losing maybe (7) players on defense, and maybe (7) on offense.
A.J. McCarron and the new WR will carry Alabama next season, Alabama has some really good & fast WR ready to take the starting role and A.J. has the talent to pass for 4,000 yards a year. Not sure without looking it up but i believe A.J. passed for over 2,600 yarrds in the 2011 season with only 5 interceptions.
All that was on Saban's team who feeds his RB.
It's going to be a rebuilding year, and i said months back this year was their best chance to win the NCG.
Next year they will fall but not far...going to Arkansas with QB Tyler Wilson coming back, and don't forget about Tenn QB Bray...etc. The ball in going to be aired out more in the SEC next year.
Teams always come after Alabama hard no matter who they are and now they will have more of a reason with them being the, National Champs.
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#12 Posted: 1/17/2012 5:47:27 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by Lucan:
Alabama needs an OC that can talk Saban into more passing.
Next season will be tuff on Alabama having a new OC and losing maybe (7) players on defense, and maybe (7) on offense.
A.J. McCarron and the new WR will carry Alabama next season, Alabama has some really good & fast WR ready to take the starting role and A.J. has the talent to pass for 4,000 yards a year. Not sure without looking it up but i believe A.J. passed for over 2,600 yarrds in the 2011 season with only 5 interceptions.
All that was on Saban's team who feeds his RB.
It's going to be a rebuilding year, and i said months back this year was their best chance to win the NCG.
Next year they will fall but not far...going to Arkansas with QB Tyler Wilson coming back, and don't forget about Tenn QB Bray...etc. The ball in going to be aired out more in the SEC next year.
Teams always come after Alabama hard no matter who they are and now they will have more of a reason with them being the, National Champs.
I agree with everything you say except the part about this being a re-building year. Alabama is a long, long way from being in rebuilding mode.
Right off the bat they will easily have the best offense line, the best running backs and best group of linebackers in the nation.They are also returning a starting QB that can probably be counted amongst the top 10 best QBs in the country. That is not the DNA of a rebuilding team.
I agrree with your take on the receivers. I'm just amazed when I look at the incredible amout of talent Saban has amassed at the receiver position. McCarron should have a lot of fun airing it out to those guys if Alabama has an offensive coordinator that will allow him to do so.
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#13 Posted: 1/17/2012 7:50:14 PM With all due respect jimmy, Washington is hardly a "stepping stone job" for coaches, except for going to the NFL. They were a power house during the 80's & 90's but have slipped for a few years just as bama once did. Remember when Franchione used bama to get the TAM job?
Part of the reason Nuss is leaving is because he wants to be a full time OC, with play calling duties. Under Sark he's been the qb coach/asst. OC as the play calling job was Sarks. 
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#14 Posted: 1/17/2012 8:06:09 PM I heard Bell was the fastest WR of the pack, straight out of the bayou country....he made a few impressive catches so far from McCarron.
That has got to be the best recruiting WR class in the country Saban has built over time.
Thing about McCarron is he protects the ball, (2) of his (5) interceptions was when he was competeing against Sims. I'll wave them since his focus and mindset was in a different frame of mind.
But for him to only throw (3) more interception after he locked the starting QB job up is really good.
I really don't brag to much on Alabama's QB as a matter of fact it's been years since i have seen this much talent behind center.
I may eat my words some day, but McCarron is the real deal pure Heisman material. I hope Saban and the new OC don't deprive him of the things he can do while playing college football.
As far as Sims it's not right to see this kind of talent set on the bench if i was Sims i would ask for a transfer and not waste a, God giving talent warming a bench.
I hope your right about the no rebuilding, Saban has done great things for his bench by pulling his starters in the 3rd and 4th quarters, for them to get some playing time. Thats a rare form seeing a coach take out his starters as Saban does.
If Saban didn't replace the starters so much the way he beats teams would be even worst.
Bear done the same thing.
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#15 Posted: 1/17/2012 8:28:51 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by THEMUGG:
With all due respect jimmy, Washington is hardly a "stepping stone job" for coaches, except for going to the NFL. They were a power house during the 80's & 90's but have slipped for a few years just as bama once did. Remember when Franchione used bama to get the TAM job?
Part of the reason Nuss is leaving is because he wants to be a full time OC, with play calling duties. Under Sark he's been the qb coach/asst. OC as the play calling job was Sarks. 
I hear what you're saying, and I understand the play calling thing. But when a program hasn't seen much success for 10 or 15 years (in Washinton's case I think since Rick Neuheisel was at the helm), the perception is that schools that have had more recent success are better jobs. Trust me, I remember the days before Pete Carroll arrived at USC when Washington pretty much owned the PAC 10.
During the lean probation years, coaches viewed the Alabama job similarly as evidenced by the fact that Dennis Franchione bailed out of Tuscaloosa to head for Texas A&M (how'd that work out for you dumbass). Were it not for Saban, Alabama might still be viewed that way today.
Check out this article written during the dark years of which we do not speak of.
Alabama Has Been Passed
Wednesday, November 08, 2006
By Neal McCready Mobile Register Some Alabama fans are really funny. I mean, Eddie Murphy-at-his-peak hilarious. In the wake of Mississippi State's win over Alabama, many Crimson Tide fans came out of the woodwork demanding immediate change.
So bring on Nick Saban. Bring on Rich Rodriguez. You can interview Bobby Petrino, too. Maybe Rutgers' Greg Schiano would make a good coordinator, a coach-in-waiting if Jimmy Johnson isn't willing to commit more than, say, five years to bringing Alabama football back to where it belongs. I mean, really, who wouldn't want to come stalk the same sidelines that the Bear once patrolled? Who wouldn't want to coach in the shadow of greatness? After all, if you're going to fantasize, take it the distance.
The problem, however, for the dreaming Tide nation is that when it wakes up to the real world, Mike Shula's still the coach and the hard truth is he just might be the best Alabama can realistically hope for. The line of prospective coaches just dying to come to Tuscaloosa isn't as long as Tide fans think.
Before every home game, there's that voice. I still can't understand what he says, but it's something about "class," and "we got class," or "win with class." Then the elephant roars and another voice says, "This is Alabama football."
No, that was Alabama football. Those days are long gone and until the powers that be at the Capstone recognize that, all the Tide is going to be able to embrace is history. The people who Alabama football is selling to -- the current high school recruits -- were born in 1988 or 1989. They were 3 years old when Gene Stallings led Alabama to an upset over Miami in the Sugar Bowl and the national championship. Their experience with Alabama football mostly has been controversy, scandal, NCAA sanctions, losing seasons and mediocrity. The ardent Alabama fans among that group remember Shaun Alexander and Chris Samuel leading Alabama to the 1999 SEC title, but they were 11 or 12 then. Since that national championship night in New Orleans, a lot of water has flowed under the proverbial bridge.
Here's reality: Alabama has been passed. Ask the kids. They're the only ones who really matter. They'll tell you Florida is cool. So is LSU. Ask them about winning tradition and they'll tell you about Auburn, Tennessee and maybe Georgia. South Carolina has Steve Spurrier. Arkansas kids are staying home. Ole Miss has built a great indoor practice facility. Kentucky has fabulous facilities. Mississippi State probably isn't far behind. Jimmy Johns would probably never admit it even if someone could extricate his foot from his mouth, but had the Brookhaven, Miss., native stayed home and gone to Mississippi State or Ole Miss, he'd be a hero in his home state and a starter on the field. Oh yeah, he would have won a football game Saturday. Instead, he went to Alabama, where he's now a highly publicized backup playing behind an underachieving senior.
So why would Saban leave sunny Miami for Alabama? Petrino might be preparing for the national championship game in early January. Why would he give that up to take on a rebuilding project that goes well beyond the football field? Rodriguez might leave his native West Virginia one day, but Alabama's a lateral move at best.
But if Alabama is intent on making that sort of splash, here's two pieces of advice: Ante up and get your eyes out of the rear-view mirror because the men the delusional Tide fans talk about are forward thinkers with healthy egos. In other words, if you expect them to come to Tuscaloosa and walk in a shadow, you'd better hope for nothing but sunny days because guys like Saban, Petrino, Rodriguez and the others aren't going to walk in a shadow that isn't their own.

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#16 Posted: 1/19/2012 10:26:43 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by jimmydafreak:
I agree with everything you say except the part about this being a re-building year. Alabama is a long, long way from being in rebuilding mode.
Right off the bat they will easily have the best offense line, the best running backs and best group of linebackers in the nation.They are also returning a starting QB that can probably be counted amongst the top 10 best QBs in the country. That is not the DNA of a rebuilding team.
I agrree with your take on the receivers. I'm just amazed when I look at the incredible amout of talent Saban has amassed at the receiver position. McCarron should have a lot of fun airing it out to those guys if Alabama has an offensive coordinator that will allow him to do so.
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A lot of freshmans and sophmores.
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#17 Posted: 1/26/2012 6:33:30 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by THEMUGG:
With all due respect jimmy, Washington is hardly a "stepping stone job" for coaches, except for going to the NFL. They were a power house during the 80's & 90's but have slipped for a few years just as bama once did. Remember when Franchione used bama to get the TAM job?
Part of the reason Nuss is leaving is because he wants to be a full time OC, with play calling duties. Under Sark he's been the qb coach/asst. OC as the play calling job was Sarks. 
Dennis Franchione didn't use the Alabama job to get to Texas A&M he left after Alabama's sanctions were handed out.
This was a long time coming from Texas A&M because Alabama took Bear Bryant from them.
You can bet one thing if he could turn back time he would have signed the 10 year 15 million dollar contract Alabama offered him from the way his career has turned out since leaving Alabama.
Him leaving was a good thing for Alabama because even though Alabama got handed down the sanctions there would have been more coming with Franchione down the line.
While at Texas A&M heres what Dennis Franchione done...
On September 27, 2007, Franchione discontinued selling a secret email newsletter to athetic boosters who paid US$ 1,200 annually for team information that Franchione had refused to release to the public.
The newsletter, called "VIP Connection", had been written by Franchione's personal assistant, Mike McKenzie, and included, but was not limited to, specific injury reports, recruitment information, and Franchione's critical assessments of players.
Started in the fall of 2004, the newsletter attracted 27 recipients, six of whom received the newsletter for free. 20 of the recipients have been disclosed. The boosters were asked to sign a confidentiality statement to assure the information in the newsletter would not be used for gambling.
Franchione was fired from Texas A&M with a record of 32 - 28 myself i'm glad he left.

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#18 Posted: 1/27/2012 12:40:28 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by Laroja:
A lot of freshmans and sophmores.
Quite a few have already have playing experience. Norwood, Bell and White have played all season. In fact Norwood & Bell both had big catches in the national championship game. Christion Jones returned punts in the national championship game after Maze went out.
Duron Carter (Cris Carter's son) most likely would have been starting all season had he been eligible.
Bowman is suspended. His future with the team is unknown at this time.
Marvin Shinn and Danny Woodson both redshirted this past season, so they'll be available in the upcoming season.
Amari Cooper, Chris Black, Eddie Williams & Cyrus Jones are in the current recruiting class. Some of those guys will be redshirting. Eddie Williams has a great shot of being in the rotation next season. Think Julio Jones.
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