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#26 Posted: 5/23/2012 4:56:41 PM  |
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#27 Posted: 5/23/2012 6:37:49 PM  mis timed his ride...and on the history of the bluegrass i understand where you are coming from but pass history means nothing on june the ninth when they have to run that 1/12 at belmont...and if you go on history than i;ll have another will not win because the last 34 years says he want...well the last 11 horses that greyhound listed above that had a chance at the triple crown...all these are 3 years and anything could happen because none of them have been this far ,,,but one thing i know is dullahan will keep grinding and javier will give him a good well timed ride because he knows belmont and is one of the best  riders going...GL TO ALL...... |
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#28 Posted: 5/23/2012 8:45:13 PM Broke in, bmpd, 7w 1/4 20
As you can see,he a very tough trip and still got 3rd. Im not to worried about the surface.We shall see.
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#29 Posted: 5/23/2012 11:46:06 PM |
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#30 Posted: 5/24/2012 12:11:32 AM
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#31 Posted: 5/24/2012 4:04:36 PM |
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#32 Posted: 5/25/2012 3:10:07 PM This notice is to inform you that one or
more of your horses has worked out.
Rousing
Sermon (3-Year-Old Colt)
Date: May 25,
2012
Track: BETFAIR HOLLYWOOD PARK
Distance: Six
Furlongs
Time: 1.14:00 Handily
Track Condition:
Fast
Surface: All Weather Track
Rank: 2/8 - See
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#33 Posted: 5/27/2012 7:15:37 PM  greyhound...i was at the fairgrounds on louisiana derby DAY when rousing sermon finished 4th coming from the 12 post that day...a 99 to 1 won that race and jerry jones mark vakisia finish 2nd with rosie up...a lotta people though he was live that day and he took some money and this distance should fit his style...that work was slow...114.00 for six furlongs..GL... |
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#34 Posted: 5/27/2012 9:27:49 PM |
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#35 Posted: 5/28/2012 11:10:55 AM feel a fresher horse may spoil the party.
On the flip side,this field just got smaller with Rousing Sermon out[but has been replaced] and now I hear unstoppable you and Guyana Star may be heading in another direction. Of course thats not confirmed.
Belmont fields have been getting smaller over the years it seems, and these possible defections will only help the cause for IHA.
I could see Zito getting involved if an opening becomes available and if I see a bird in any of the connections,thats my winner.
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#36 Posted: 5/28/2012 7:35:30 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by howzuck:
I think a rested horse (like Alpha or Dullahan, or maybe Union Rags) pulls the upset and spoils IHA's triple crown try. I could never bet IHA at about even money anyway and odds are against him doing it - I'm sure this won't popular with most of you, just my humble opinion..... howzuck i am thinking the same way...but this horse seems to be peaking at the right time and we may see history in 12 days... |
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#37 Posted: 5/28/2012 7:50:30 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by vetdrm: zuck I for one would like to see a triple crown winner, but like you ,
feel a fresher horse may spoil the party.
On the flip side,this field just got smaller with Rousing Sermon out[but has been replaced] and now I hear unstoppable you and Guyana Star may be heading in another direction. Of course thats not confirmed.
Belmont fields have been getting smaller over the years it seems, and these possible defections will only help the cause for IHA.
I could see Zito getting involved if an opening becomes available
and if I see a bird in any of the connections,thats my winner. yes vetdrm if zito baffert or dutrow or mott or any of the big boys enter a runner we will have to take a long look...and has much as we want to see a triple crown winner like big brown and real quiet or some of the other chances,, silver charm also comes to mind there is always some spoiler thats shows up to end the dream.... not that it makes a big difference but does anybody know if this kid from hasting park has ever ridden at big sandy....i read one time that willie shoemaker missed judged the finished in the derby i think it was on a horse named swaps or something like that...maybe it will take something like that for this kid to lose this belmont stakes... |
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#38 Posted: 5/28/2012 8:22:19 PM 
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#40 Posted: 5/29/2012 9:37:29 AM If IHA wins the Belmont, he certainly would deserve his place in history alongside Whirlaway, Citation, Sir Barton, Secretariat and all the other TC winners. However, the Belmont has had a way (at least in the past 34 years) of weeding out those who don't belong in this special group. Real Quiet was a very good horse, but not special, the nose he lost by (to Silver Charm) kept him out. Same for War Emblem, Funny Cide, Big Brown, etc. In my opinion, I've seen only 2 horses that might have belonged in this group in the past 34 years and they were Point Given and and maybe Smarty Jones - other opinions are welcome. The idea of course is to determine right now if IHA is worthy of being mentioned with the immortal horses, I'm not sure, his record certainly speaks for itself. The Belmont is the true test of champions, if IHA can win 3 races in 5 weeks at 3 different tracks and 3 different distances with the grueling mile and a half being the final one against what appears to be well rested tough competition, he deserves all the praise he will get - I will have paid to see this piece of history through my losing tickets as I will be betting against. |
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#41 Posted: 5/29/2012 9:47:18 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by howzuck: In my opinion, I've seen only 2 horses that might have belonged in this group in the past 34 years and they were Point Given and and maybe Smarty Jones - other opinions are welcome.
Easy Goer was a great horse and could have won the Triple Crown with better luck and better rides. Should have won the Breeders Cup Classic too. I think he's got the 2nd fastest Belmont besides Secretariat if I'm not mistaken.  He set some other track records also. |
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#44 Posted: 5/29/2012 6:09:41 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by Greyhound:
Easy Goer was a great horse and could have won the Triple Crown with better luck and better rides.
Should have won the Breeders Cup Classic too.
I think he's got the 2nd fastest Belmont besides Secretariat if I'm not mistaken. He set some other track records also. greyhound i am not sure but i was thinking risen star had the 2nd fastest belmont with edddie D in the saddle ...i think he beat bet twice that year.... |
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#45 Posted: 5/31/2012 11:35:34 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by UL-LAFAYETTEKID:
greyhound i am not sure but i was thinking risen star had the 2nd fastest belmont with edddie D in the saddle ...i think he beat bet twice that year....
1973 Secretariat - Ron Turcotte 2:24.00
1989 Easy Goer - Pat Day 2:26.00
1992 A.P. Indy - Ed Delahoussaye 2:26.13
1988 Risen Star - Ed Delahoussaye 2:26.40
1957 Gallant Man - Bill Shoemaker 2:26.60
2001 Point Given Gary Stevens 2:26.80
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#47 Posted: 5/31/2012 2:26:21 PM Pretty good article about handicapping the Belmont.
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#49 Posted: 5/31/2012 2:43:41 PM
Will there be a 12th Triple Crown winner this year? One Hall of Fame jockey does not seem to think so. In an AOL interview, Kent Desormeaux says that I'll Have Another's jockey, Mario Gutierrez, "does not have what it takes to complete the Triple Crown sweep." Desormeaux also told the NY Post, "A first-time jockey will be lost (at Belmont Park). I don't care how much you try to explain it."
Hall of Fame jockey mentors Gutierrez
The Belmont Park racetrack is unique and few rookie jockeys can take it on the first time. For this reason, I'll Have Another's trainer has a mentor for his jockey. Before the Belmont Stakes, the Associated Press says Hall of Fame jockey Jerry Bailey will arrive at the track to help Mario Gutierrez master master the intricacies of the turf.
I'll Have Another secret weapon banned
The odds for the Belmont Stakes may feel a little shaky after the May 27 article by the NY Post. In it, it was revealed that, "According to Dr. Ted Hill, the Jockey Club steward at the NYRA tracks, studies have shown that equine nasal strips can be performance-enhancing by reducing fatigue and possibly preventing bleeding." Used in the past four races that I'll Have Another won, the FlairStrips.com product will not be allowed in the Belmont Stakes. |
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