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Posted: 10/19/2012 4:35:49 PM
I dont believe every game is fixed nor does anyone else prob think that. But i am also not naive enuf to believe that it doesnt exist. Cuz like everything rlse in life wen there are absurd amounts of money on the line there will b corruption sumwhere some how and that includes all facets of life
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Posted: 10/19/2012 4:56:46 PM
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Originally Posted by mafioso:

The NBA was never fixed either, No rogue officials nothing of a sort.
darn OFF
and this goes to all you morons who do not believe the NFL and All major sports are on the up and up.'
Who the hell are you ignorant imbeciles to make such statements when there is proof that things arent exactly what they seem?

You all have a-lot of balls to call others names when you dont know your own fools from a hole in the ground to begin with.

You like all sheep dismiss the obvious to remain with your flock of idiots and cowards.

You have no ability to think outside the box, nor do you intend to comprehend factual data spanning from the early 70s to todays modern era.

Dan Moldea wrote one of the greatest books regarding the NFL and its fixed games called INTERFERENCE, How Organized crime influences professional football

Brian Touhay
has a website called thefixisin.net where he highlights what he believes are fixes.

Tim Donaghy an NBA referee was caught fixing games.

in 1999 there was a U of M blind study of College football referees that admitted they had a financial interest on games they worked, and no Im not gonna look it up for you as if you are dumb enough to believe its all on the up and up, You do not deserve someone to do the work for you, Go friggin do it yourself and become less of a sheep and a little bit more of a wolf.

God Damn I hate some of you so much when you post and respond so stupidly, Nothing more Id love to do then club you in your smug faces with a baseball bat and scramble your brain cells so you stop being pathetic followers and become somewhat like real men, Maybe then your women wont be coming to my place and others like me to get there rocks off.

In other words
Be friggin men and stop being the meak of the earth.

LMAO & Agreeing

I recomended The Fix Is IN here as well.

We must cap 'as if' No game is fixed, and wager 'as if' any game might be.

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Posted: 10/19/2012 5:58:00 PM
they may be fixed, but a book and a website mean nothing.
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Posted: 10/19/2012 8:28:24 PM
Fellows, it's useless corresponding with some of you....Go to www.thefixisin.net and read for yourself.....And here's an interesting tidbit for some of you.....Did you know that by Fed. Legislation, pro sports are "ALLOWED" to determine the outcomes of games because they are listed as "entertainment?"....The author also says that the NFL, NBA, NHL etc. are in the SAME, YES SAME CATEGORY AS PRO WRESTLING AND ROLLER DERBY!.....He appears all over the country on talk shows!....Wake up boys!
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Posted: 10/19/2012 10:33:59 PM
All hope is not lost.

Keep yourself on quality sides of value and trust the long haul.
If anything this knowledge will temper an all too hasty LOCK approach to any given wager.

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Posted: 10/29/2012 12:51:01 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Hockeyjock:

I would like to know who in here believes that the NFL is fixed or at least some games are fixed?  If so, who fixes them and how do they do it?  I would love to hear all of the theories that people have.  



I'd imagine there are lots of ways games could be slanted.   I don't know the exact process of how the officials prepare for games but I would not be surprised if they watched each of the teams games in the week prior.   If that happens the NFL would make calls saying watch such and such play where this guy held, they were getting away with that a lot last game, we want you to watch for that.   

Alternately they might send them game tape showing various plays over the season with the same intent: we want you to emphasize this, it's been a problem.   On the same line of process, they might release weekly grades for the officials, we think this crew did well, we think this was an exemplary game.

I believe there is a league official with communication to the field in every game and they could likely serve many of the same functions afore mentioned by noting calls that may have been missed or were perhaps questionable in the minds of those reviewing.

Finally after games there is likely a review/feedback process where officials would get feedback and in doing so could determine whether they were interpreting signals correctly.  

Broadly I think the biases that occur are competition/entertainment bias.

In other words if there is a 50/50 call going for a small market team that is 3-2 they are (all other factors negated) far less likely to get that call than a 2-3 big market team.

Officials also let things roll when momentum swings, they are far less likely to call a fair call against a team that is just starting to get their offense together and perhaps comeback vs. a team that is way in front and threatening to make the game boring.   

They are far less likely to make a fair call negating momentum after the momentum has (recently) shifted as they are less likely to make a fair call helping when the momentum is newly against. This is basically an entertainment bias.

Along the same line of entertainment bias all things equal a big market team (in total fans) is more likely to get calls against a small market team.   

Part of the entertainment bias encouraging momentum is propensity to reward success.   All things equal a team with a winning record is more likely to get calls vs. a losing team; except in cases where such team threatens perineal dominance and therefore threatens the parity/enthusiasm of rival markets.   

On that point, (all things being equal) it is much harder to advance or win a second or third championship vs. a first championship; that is even if your team is equal and the competition is equal, the road will be tougher if your doing it for a second time.

All thing being equal the team with the history of sustained success (lacking playoff accolades) will have an easier time advancing deep in the playoffs than a first season surprise.

If there is capacity to accentuate parity this is also encouraged as it is advantageous to have as many teams competitive late as possible.   

All things being equal the team that threatens to pull away in a game or division race will have a harder time doing so than the team threatening to draw close.  Same thing of course, entertainment bias.

An example would be a 50/50 call leading to a likely touchdown in a game that is 17-3, I imagine people have noticed (other factors excluded) one is more likely to get the call if you are the team with three points vs. the team with seventeen.  That is an entertainment/competition bias.

Same thing applies in division races, (always other factors negated) a team is much more likely to get a game shifting call if it makes things interesting as opposed to a call that leads to a late season race being all but decided.

Summed up their is favoritism/accentuation promoting; momentum, parity, big markets, and teams able to make story-lines interesting. 

Obviously factors such as parity and big markets are countervailing but situation and weight would dictate course.    
 
Why do I watch if I believe the games are fixed; no game is truly fixed (that would require a majority of participants when of course there are not), it's I think the fair odds shift.  

In other words any team can win any game, it's just from one game to the next the odds might get a lot harder.
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Posted: 10/29/2012 12:52:44 AM
Everywhere with anything dealing with money has somebody on the take.

The entire sport may not be corrupt, but understand somebody is looking for a bit of extra scrap.
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Posted: 10/29/2012 1:36:37 AM
There are games that has been fixed. Not all games are fixed but don't be naive to believe there there aren't people who are willing to get the edge in sports betting especially when its a multi billion dollar industry and there are thousands of players especially in college. 

Lakers Vs Kings playoff 

that game was fixed for lakers to win. This is just ONE game as an example. Do you really think there were none prior to this one being caught?
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Posted: 10/29/2012 1:38:33 AM
Whenever there is money there is greed and with greed there is corruption. (insiders trading, our goverment, our coporations, sports betting) not all are corrupted but when you see a phantom PI call or a phantom holding call then ya 
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Posted: 10/29/2012 1:46:18 AM
just different definitions of 'fixed" but the lakers kings series was/is a very good example of corrupt practice.
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Posted: 10/29/2012 1:49:40 AM
running rebels vs duke rematch i think this was around 1991 or 92 another example  
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Posted: 10/29/2012 1:51:56 AM
it changed my username to prospect last post;  anyway if you still bet I think a decent strategy is to try college or only bet for teams where the spread has changed in their direction.   

I fill out garbage just for entertainment now a days but whenever I don't have a clue I just pick whatever team the spread has changed toward; seems to work better than half the time.
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Posted: 10/29/2012 1:53:14 AM
or bet against stanford/oregon state they suck
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Posted: 10/29/2012 2:06:01 AM
Not so much fixed....books have the angles more so....if the fix is in the books know......
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Posted: 10/29/2012 2:10:30 AM
Gotta understand that books have people on site at practices, games, players opinions, inside men....we listen to sal palantonio, John Clayton, so on and so forth...they have more resources.  Remember that it's all about the $$$$ n nothing else. Don't bet with ur heart.
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Posted: 11/22/2012 2:59:12 PM
After this lions texans bullshit it is pretty obvious it is fixed and how it's fixed and no one can say or do anything about it
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Posted: 11/22/2012 4:26:21 PM
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Originally Posted by games1:

Not so much fixed....books have the angles more so....if the fix is in the books know......

 

So does the NFL office call my local bookie at his bar and let him know? Also what day do they call? Im kinda good friends with the guy so I'd like to watch him and see if he leaves his stool at a certain time every sun morning when "the call" comes in. Man there must be an office somewhere with people just making THOUSANDS of calls on sunday mornings letting all the books know when a fix is in. Wonder how you get that job?

 

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Posted: 11/22/2012 4:32:40 PM
No fix. Just some greedy individuals and garbage happens.
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Posted: 11/22/2012 5:10:25 PM
It's all about television and ratings and the better the matchup, the more that can be charged for advertising. This is in the leagues' (not just the NFL, but all major sports leagues including college football) best interest since the vast majority of their budget is derived from none other than television. All owners split tv revenue, so their motivation is for the best matchups to be on tv, not to win games.  

Do you really think a Jacksonville vs Arizona Super Bowl would draw in the same advertising money as a Denver-NYG Super Bowl played on the stadium their father played in?   Would there be a better script if Peyton Manning made it to the Super Bowl after a year off?  After he wins it this year, someone from the NFL or media will even say, "they couldn't have scripted it any better" just to rub it in. Think about it.

College football and all the television revenue it now derives is the same way. Do you really think Kansas St. could have made it to the BCS championship?  Or does the better tv matchup lie with a national following of Notre Dame who has their own network against the team many were saying could beat an NFL team a few weeks ago?  Is it merely a coincidence Matt Barkley isn't playing Saturday?  Think about it. 

If you want to bet on the fix before it happens, bet Notre Dame on the ML Saturday (I see a win and non-cover by 3 so it's not obvious), then take Alabama on the ML in the SEC championship game vs Georgia (again I see a win and non-cover for Alabama so it looks on the up and up), and then take Notre Dame on the ML at around +400 when they play Alabama in the BCS title game. Bringing Notre Dame back with all of their following nationwide and the tv money they will bring in is far too much for them to ignore. Think about it. 

Also take Denver to win it all and thank me later. Name a better script to win it all where daddy played.  

It's all about the Benjamins baby. I could go on and on about this. It's coaches, referees, owners (or conference commissioners), and select players who get this done. Not every game is predetermined, only the ones that really matter, whether it be the championship game, or the games that set up who gets there.  
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Posted: 11/22/2012 7:10:47 PM
Notre Dame at +400 vs alabama darn yeah this is getting better and better!!!!!! I gonna be rich now after readin the last post!
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Posted: 11/22/2012 7:18:59 PM
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Posted: 11/22/2012 7:20:35 PM

I've got Bama to win 675 no points.  +400 will be a nice hedge if that game takes place.

 

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Posted: 11/22/2012 7:24:46 PM
As for games being fixed, it's pretty obvious says 40 years of watching the NFL.  Hell you could write a novel and call it "How Did That Happen?" 
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Posted: 11/22/2012 7:28:11 PM
Trenbu is a wise man.          
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Posted: 11/22/2012 9:18:33 PM
Haha no. No, he most certainly is not. You tin foil hat wearers are friggin clowns who make legitimate bettors look really bad.
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