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Posted: 3/12/2012 7:52:19 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by 14daroad:

Nice response. I see you're on your F game as usual

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Here dum-dum, since you can't think logically, let me help you.

1. CD claims that there are no jobs because of population growth and they "go overseas"

2. I respond by pointing out that jobs go overseas because of taxes & regulation and Steve Jobs told Obama this

3. CD responds that Steve Jobs is a scumbag and talks about dumping chemicals in the river

4. I point out software companies don't dump chemicals in the river (you jump in like a poo flinging monkey and decide to beclown self) and add that just because you're for less regulation doesn't mean you're for dumping chemicals in rivers

5. You can't grasp this because _____?



you are a complete and utter fool.
I said our population is growing and there is less jobs here for the growing population due to companies moving the jobs overseas. Really learn how to fuckin read. I guess you must go thru life everyday with blinders on, for you not being able to see the country is in bad shape because of there being no good paying blue collar jobs left in the country

2. i didnt say jobs was dumping garbage in the rivers, but once again it shows your lack of knowledge to not think that a company like apple doesnt have chemical wastes. I was addressing your post about jobs saying there was to many regulations and that is complete bullshit.

3. scumbag steve jobs went overseas for one reason, so his company could pay people slave labor wages of 16 cents an hour, so that he could put all the billions in his pocket. Am glad that dirtbag is dead, hope he suffered alot his last days. Maybe you should read the stories of the people who cant even use their hands anymore due to being forced to work 16 hour days for 16 cents an hour and then when they can no longer use their hands, they are kicked to the curb.  I dont give a rats behind how many things the guy invented, hes still a huge dead dirtbag.

As far as your warren buffett post, i have said many times on this site, that he is another giant dirtbag, who exploits the system for his own gain.  darn him to.

As far as your obama comment, i dont know where you get that am going around saying Obama is doing a great job, because i have said many times that hes not.
But its pretty clear, you dont have any understanding of how our govt works. Presidents for the most part are figureheads, the real power lies in congress, so start blaming all those chumps up there.

now get lost you little troll
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Posted: 3/12/2012 7:56:16 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by 14daroad:

Apple pays 7.65% of sales to income tax as of 2011. Their cost of sales is more like 60%, so which has more of an effect a 7.65% income tax rate or a 60% cost of sales?
 
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Yes, Apple does a ton of marketing and after sales support.
 
I'm not real sure how you think what you've said refutes that “regulations and unnecessary costs”  are not a problem.
 
Or are you suggesting Steve Jobs didn't understand Apple's income statements? 


Why of course the great steve jobs wouldnt be lying and everything that came out of the dirtbags mouth must be true, because he said so.
Sorry i have no respect and believe anything a person who pays people 16 cents an hour while making billions and billions for himself.  I hope hes rotting in hell right now with joe pa pa
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Posted: 3/12/2012 8:01:28 PM

Jobs go "overseas" because of high corporate taxes and regulations.

 

the truth.

 

 

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Posted: 3/12/2012 8:03:23 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by 14daroad:

Using one example to support a broad painted assertion 

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It isn't "one example"

It is the City of Chicago and the State of Illinois
It is the State of NY
It is the State of California.
It is Detroit
It is Central Falls, Rhode Island

Care to name a liberal city or state that is thriving and not in need of borrowing money, raising taxes or cutting services?



seriously did you fail third grade math?

If the population is growing larger and larger, then of course more services are going to be needed, but if there is no jobs for people to pay for those services, then of course the burden is falling on the people who do have jobs. We live in a modern type of society where services are part of that society, so you can either learn to accept that or you can pack up and move to some third world nation where you wont have to worry about getting any services. Have fun shitting in your backyard and boiling your own water, you friggin idiot.
Now if the companies didnt move the jobs overseas and hired our people here, then there would be a bigger pool of people paying for all the services that our type of society uses.  But simple garbage like this is way past your grasp of understanding, that it all starts with jobs and people making money. Thats what makes the economy go and grow.  Now really get lost, go find some romper room forum to play on

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Posted: 3/12/2012 8:16:39 PM
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CD, I do not think we will be killing each other for food, but it brings up a good point on why we are not.  The price of food is actually asininely low right now.  It is artificially cheap because of the savings on labor.  If we hired Americans to do that work, it would be much much more expensive, probably about double what you pay now.  I am saying that if we want to fix the country's employment situation, we are going to have to do tough things, like not allow corporations to use slave labor to keep their products artificially low.  Food producers will have to pay a livable wage, which will be a huge shock to the system, but in the end it will lead to more participation, because smaller farms will not be unfairly kept out of the picture by the inability to hire slaves.  

It would be a renaissance in farming. Our communities would grow stronger, we would have a greater appreciation for the work that food production entails, we might even make better decisions about our diets (who knows).  

A move like this would work on so many different levels to bring a little bit of sanity into our system.  
-The multinational corporation would be forced to compete with the local farm,  the local farm now has the edge because they do not have any great amount of transport or overhead when it comes to bringing the goods to market,  as well as the freshness of getting goods to market more quickly. 

-You want to talk about distribution of wealth, fine,  lets talk about distributing wealth through free markets while tearing down a practice that borders on human rights abuses. I have no idea how people would be against that. 

-Just as legalizing marijuana would shut down the cartels,  forcing immigration laws to apply to this sector, and tightening the work visa program would curtail the flow of slaves over the border.  




I totally agree with you about the slave labor in the farming industry.

Unless are population growth doesnt slow down or even stop, things are only gonna keep getting worse, especially if josb keep moving overseas.  That has got to stop. American companies have got to start being a part of this country and stop using it like their own personal liter box.  Its funny how they go overseas to get their products made for almost pennies on the dollars and then they bring them back here and still charge the consumer the same prices as if they were being made here by American workers. So its clear the only ones benefiting from this, is the company themselves.
The country needs minimum wage type jobs, middle class type jobs and the high paying jobs. The way its going now, all the middle class type jobs are vanishing. Everybody cant just work service type jobs, because who is gonna even be able to pay for that type of stuff. People doing the service type jobs certainly are gonna have the cash.
I will be long gone by the time the garbage truly hits the fan, but i feel sorry for all the people who are bringing kids into the world now, because most are gonna endup working 3-4 jobs just to raise their own families, all while the corporations are laughing all the way to the bank
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Posted: 3/12/2012 8:19:35 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by 14daroad:

I haven't heard anything regarding tax returns being delayed this year.

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Neither have I at the federal level.

Here is an article about states delaying refunds a while back.

Actually completely true.

Many states are now going after tax evaders at rates never seen before.

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Posted: 3/12/2012 8:22:40 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by 14daroad:

Using one example to support a broad painted assertion 

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It isn't "one example"

It is the City of Chicago and the State of Illinois
It is the State of NY
It is the State of California.
It is Detroit
It is Central Falls, Rhode Island

Care to name a liberal city or state that is thriving and not in need of borrowing money, raising taxes or cutting services?

The problem is that pretty much no state or locality can be construed as 100% run by liberals or conservatives. And that skews any formulation of comparative analysis.

For example, one could argue that a reduction in property taxes is a conservative trait. Yet, several states with the lowest property taxes tend to be the biggest 'borrowers' so to speak of federal education funds.

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Posted: 3/12/2012 9:06:25 PM
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I totally agree with you about the slave labor in the farming industry.

Unless are population growth doesnt slow down or even stop, things are only gonna keep getting worse, especially if josb keep moving overseas.  That has got to stop. American companies have got to start being a part of this country and stop using it like their own personal liter box.  Its funny how they go overseas to get their products made for almost pennies on the dollars and then they bring them back here and still charge the consumer the same prices as if they were being made here by American workers. So its clear the only ones benefiting from this, is the company themselves.
The country needs minimum wage type jobs, middle class type jobs and the high paying jobs. The way its going now, all the middle class type jobs are vanishing. Everybody cant just work service type jobs, because who is gonna even be able to pay for that type of stuff. People doing the service type jobs certainly are gonna have the cash.
I will be long gone by the time the garbage truly hits the fan, but i feel sorry for all the people who are bringing kids into the world now, because most are gonna endup working 3-4 jobs just to raise their own families, all while the corporations are laughing all the way to the bank

Disagree about the population issue,  I could never live with myself if I were to promote Eugenics to perpetuate an artificial and arbitrary lifestyle. 
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Posted: 3/12/2012 9:09:53 PM
Once the Boomers die off we will be fine. 
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Posted: 3/12/2012 9:25:04 PM
well i dont know where you took math classes at Rick, but you might need to go back for a refresher course.

When the population hits 350 million people and there is even less jobs in the country, things will just be worse, because even if you dont dont want to believe it, services are always going to be part of our society and there will be more people needing services, but less people paying for them.

The baby boomer remark is just not right, because am sure when you get older, the younger generation is gonna be paying for your behind, thats how a civilized society works, some of you havent grasped that concept. I truly dont know why some of you just dont pack your bags and move to a country that dont run their society the way we run ours.

Lastly the boomer comment is pretty sick, considering am sure your parents are part of the boomer generation. I guess you want your parents to die off, so you can save a dollar  pretty sick dude
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Posted: 3/12/2012 9:31:28 PM
If a city files for bankruptcy, and it is rejected by the bankruptcy court, is it still bankrupt?

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Risk and Failure are at the heart of Capitalism. With out risk and failure, whatever it is that we have, it certainly cannot be called Capitalism. Protect and Serve the creditors at any and all cost. God forbid, adults be forced to live in reality for once.

greedy Baby Boomer generation, why do they hate America so much? Why do they hate (the children) so bad? Why do they hate the economy so much? Time to teach that generation a lesson, and let them reap what they have sewn
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Posted: 3/12/2012 9:41:07 PM
That isnt a fair characterization.

You find a slice of any group that fits the descript, boomers included.

Boomers are also starting to feel the bite of healthcare inflation and asset compression.


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well i dont know where you took math classes at Rick, but you might need to go back for a refresher course.

When the population hits 350 million people and there is even less jobs in the country, things will just be worse, because even if you dont dont want to believe it, services are always going to be part of our society and there will be more people needing services, but less people paying for them.

The baby boomer remark is just not right, because am sure when you get older, the younger generation is gonna be paying for your behind, thats how a civilized society works, some of you havent grasped that concept. I truly dont know why some of you just dont pack your bags and move to a country that dont run their society the way we run ours.

Lastly the boomer comment is pretty sick, considering am sure your parents are part of the boomer generation. I guess you want your parents to die off, so you can save a dollar  pretty sick dude

CD...you baffoon. He never said he wanted the baby boomers to die off. He said WHEN they do.

I hate ignorant people.

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QUOTE Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

That isnt a fair characterization.

You find a slice of any group that fits the descript, boomers included.

Boomers are also starting to feel the bite of healthcare inflation and asset compression.




Rightfully so. The Baby Boomer model is what has broken down and crashed the economy. They rode the wave of declining interest rates, while perpetually expanding their personal and (governmental) debt loads.

What the baby boomer generation came up on as their retirement model, is what is broken today. There will be no coming out the other side of this mess, without every last member of the heard realizing this as fact

They redefined the word retirement. it always meant death until the whole boomer model came to fruition. Retirement will be your golden years. All you have to do is go to college, get a degree, let a financial advisor (get rich) taking care of your retirement for you, mortgage a house, borrow for a better lifestyle, eat like garbage, and magically you will be able to retire in something the Gods would envy you of. Paradise. How much time do you spend in retirement homes these days
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Posted: 3/12/2012 10:11:37 PM
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I hate ignorant people.

Ahhhhh, Hunter S. Thompson would be so proud.

Fear and self-loathing in Bowlsit land.

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Posted: 3/12/2012 10:25:34 PM
I do not want my family to die, I am just saying if we are funding retirement, and 100% of medicaid our country will not be solvent until that liability is off the sheets.  
IF you remember I am the one that promotes life, and I am also the one that says the current model is unsustainable.  

could you name a larger group that is projected to live longer (possibly to 110 in the very near future)  starting to receive their entitlements during a recession?  We are talking about 40+ years of entitlements all coming due in the very near future.  Even if we wanted to push back the age, or find a way to make it solvent it is already too late.  

It isn't their fault really. 

Once the boomer generation dies, there will be a natural trend towards a lower population.The draconian austerity we will have to undertake to pay for entitlements to a non-producing sector that will expectidly reach over 20% of the entire population, will also probably help your lower population dream. After the boomers there really wasn't an influx of babies to spur exponential population growth, with Abortion being legal, and highly touted as a right, we have already entered the Eugenics twilight zone that would frighten the garbage out of anyone who was born before 1900. 

Not sure what other methods you would choose to stop population growth.  Sterilization?  One child policy?  They are all awful ideas.  

With our obesity and environmental contamination, fertility is actually decreasing naturally. 
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Posted: 3/12/2012 10:27:48 PM
Maybe a civil war could lower population.  
100% employment as cannon-fodder?  


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Ahhhhh, Hunter S. Thompson would be so proud.

Fear and self-loathing in Bowlsit land.

Should we wonder why you failed to post a link to prove your claim?

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could you name a larger group that is projected to live longer (possibly to 110 in the very near future)




every model assumes perpetual growth of everything

i'll see it when i believe it

Have you looked out your window lately to see what the Western Diet is doing to people? 

Pinnacle to Capitalism, is to assume failure will occur, and the rewards are reaped from creative destruction. Any sane political philosophy should assume as much.


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Should we wonder why you failed to post a link to prove your claim?

It was intellectual humor so it sailed over your head.

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It was intellectual humor so it sailed over your head.

Oh the irony!

Too bad for you that you couldnt shake that 6th grade humor.

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