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[College Basketball] Topic: Can use some advice from fellow degenerates.Can you help answer a question about money management.?? |
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#1 Posted: 3/18/2012 1:38:29 AM I can use some advice from my fellow degenerates....Things havent been good.. I have a $5,000 balance for the week. Lately I have not been doing good and have been guilty of trying to chase money with no luck.. My bets started at $50 and after a little they were at 1OO, Then after another two losses i would bet 200.. All athe way up to $500 on two or three large plays which allll lost Seems my record i'snt bad overall but EVERY big play i made was a looser and totally screwed me over.. How much does everybody recommend I use so i dont get carried away again.. Should I stay at no more that 50 per play and the ocassional $100 on something i really feel strongly about and never ever try and chase a bad week with bigger bets again??? Im sure we have all done it.. But any comments or advice is welcome and really appreciated. Thanks.. hope your weeks goin better than mine haha... |
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#2 Posted: 3/18/2012 1:56:22 AM bro.. first you look at the odd/spread yourself. choose the best ones that you like for the day.. do your own research.. see what people have to say at the covers forum.. follow the good cappers and see what their input is.. then place your bet..
honestly, scared money dont make any money and thats true... you also have to have the patience and control to not chase.. that's when you lose the most.. and if you are worried about money.. make smart hedging decisions.. bc you would rather be up by a small amount rather than lose everything.. best of luck to you
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#3 Posted: 3/18/2012 2:02:12 AM Thanks for the advice bing.. patience really is key.. and something i need to work on. |
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#4 Posted: 3/18/2012 2:06:32 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by smokebugsy: I can use some advice from my fellow degenerates....Things havent been good.. I have a $5,000 balance for the week. Lately I have not been doing good and have been guilty of trying to chase money with no luck.. My bets started at $50 and after a little they were at 1OO, Then after another two losses i would bet 200.. All athe way up to $500 on two or three large plays which allll lost Seems my record i'snt bad overall but EVERY big play i made was a looser and totally screwed me over.. How much does everybody recommend I use so i dont get carried away again.. Should I stay at no more that 50 per play and the ocassional $100 on something i really feel strongly about and never ever try and chase a bad week with bigger bets again??? Im sure we have all done it.. But any comments or advice is welcome and really appreciated. Thanks.. hope your weeks goin better than mine haha...
1 piece of advice that will pay off for you. Look at your bets when you chase. If you really look at it, I bet you bet less money on games you like then you do chasing. That right there is a huge thing you need to realize. If you would bet 100 or 200 on a chase bet. How about make that kind of bet on a game that you really love?
Just remember that desperate feeling you have when you have just lost, and use that feeling of free willing when your actually winning and up to really cash in. Seems like people free will when they are down and desperate. But when people are winning they bet small amounts. Just a few thoughts.
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#5 Posted: 3/18/2012 2:19:07 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by ATLGettinPaper:
1 piece of advice that will pay off for you. Look at your bets when you chase. If you really look at it, I bet you bet less money on games you like then you do chasing. That right there is a huge thing you need to realize. If you would bet 100 or 200 on a chase bet. How about make that kind of bet on a game that you really love?
Just remember that desperate feeling you have when you have just lost, and use that feeling of free willing when your actually winning and up to really cash in. Seems like people free will when they are down and desperate. But when people are winning they bet small amounts. Just a few thoughts.
Completely Agree with you. ATL.. Thanks... I caught myself doing exactly this yesterday.. I felt very confident with that nc state game but only pulled the trigger for 200 and it won.. I took my winning and tried to double up on the next game which i really didnt know much about and that confident bet was for no reason,, Very good point atl. |
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#6 Posted: 3/18/2012 2:51:15 AM
Sports Betting Money Management
Bankroll
Management -
How to keep yourself in the game
- Why the house usually wins (it's not what you think!)
- Wunderdog's law of sports betting
- How to avoid going broke
- How to manage your sports betting bankroll to win
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You are betting too much on each game!
How can I say that without even knowing you? Because I've been doing
this for a long time and have spent a lot of time understanding money
management. 99% of sports bettors are betting too much. Think not? Think
again.
Would
you "bet" 25% of your entire retirement account on a single stock that
had a 40% chance of going to $0 tomorrow? Of course not. The reason is
that variance
can wipe you out. Then why are so many sports bettors willing to risk
20%+ of their bankroll on a single game? It's easy to risk too much
without knowing it. Please read on to see why...
"I've
been a member for about two months. I started off with an investment
of $700. I subscribe to the NHL, CBB and Parlay services. Right off the
bat, I read your money management advice and stuck to your
guidelines. My account grew from $700 to $2800 in that short period of time!
Now here is the point of my e-mail. Two days ago I decided to get
greedy and bet more than the suggested 5% of my bank roll. Guess what?
Within one day my investment dropped to $1400. Then I went back to your
investment stradegy and I'm back to $1800 plus. Your advice is dead on and I appreciate the fact that you all took the time to even have this on your website. Keep on the great work buddy." Chris H. Homewood, CA
A Simple Proposition - Would you take it?
If I offered you a 10% advantage in a game
of chance (55% for you vs. 45%) for 500 bets, would you take that bet?
Of course you would. Over the long haul (500 bets), the law of large
numbers dictates that you would end up very close to 55% winners (275
winners vs. 225 losers). If we were betting $100 per bet, you'd be up
about $5,000 in the end. Easy money.
Now let's say
that I had one constraint. I told you you could start with no more
than $500 (your bankroll) and if you ran out of money, you couldn't
re-load. In essence, I was forcing you to bet 20% of your bankroll on
each bet. Would you still take it? Think you could still take me for
$5,000?
You had
better not! You are virtually guaranteed to go bankrupt in this
situation. Over the long haul, you will come close to 55% winners - it's
a mathematical certainty. But, over the short term, you are guaranteed
nothing. Strange streaks will happen. They always do. Over 500 bets, you
could easily go 5 or 10 bets in a row (or even more) without winning.
You could go 2-18 during a 500 bet session. If I forced you to bet 20%
of your bankroll, you'd be crazy to do it because I would take your
money like taking candy from a baby.
Yet, in sports betting, most bettors routinely do the equivalent of taking this bet! Almost every sports bettor bets too much per game relative to the size of their bankroll.
They don't think twice about laying half of their entire remaining
bankroll on one week's NFL games. The conclusion is this...
Why The House Wins
Based on my nearly two decades of sports betting experience, I view this as the most valuable "secret" there is:
THE HOUSE WINS BECAUSE YOU BET TOO MUCH PER GAME.
You run out of money before you have a chance to let the law of large numbers
work for you. They are banking on your lack of discipline. That's the
main reason (not bad picking) that most sports bettors lose and why The
House laughs to the bank.
Check out this story as an illustration...
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#7 Posted: 3/18/2012 2:52:45 AM A
Tale of Two Sports Bettors
Risky John
and Conservative Bob each started the season with $1000 - their bankroll.
They both decided to play the same games throughout the
season but they couldn't agree on how much to place on
each game. John was more of a risk taker than Bob so
John decided to bet about $200 per game (20% of his bankroll).
Bob was more conservative and decided to risk about $50
per game (5% of his bankroll). Risky John figured that if he
bet more, he could win more. And he was right. In week
one, their picks went 4-2. John was up $360 while Conservative Bob
only won $90. John was very pleased with himself.
Week
2 produced the exact same result. Risky John now had a $1720
bankroll while Conservative Bob was up to just $1180. John was very
happy. He encouraged Bob to bet more but Bob wasn't so
sure about that strategy. What if their luck started
to turn? Risky John preferred to think positively. Besides,
they were 8-4 and they knew what they were doing! The first two weeks had proved that.
But
then came weeks 3 and 4 in which they went 2-4,
1-3. A bad run for sure, but not uncommon
during a 16-week season. In fact, losing streaks
are inevitable and guaranteed during a season. Conservative Bob lost
$235 while Risky John gave back $940. John now had a lower bankroll than
Bob! John was now down to $780. Risky John felt the losing couldn't
possibly continue so he stuck with his bet size of $200 per game. The
next two weeks they went 2-2 and 1-3.
Guess
what? Risky John was now virtually wiped out - down to $280. Bob,
meanwhile lost $360 on the terrible four week run but still had
$820 left over. One of them was virtually out of money, the other
had over 80% of his original bankroll left.
What
happened next? Well, John quit. And, the unfortunate four-week run was followed
by a great 3-week run where Conservative Bob went 10-3 and another
8 weeks of hitting a very respectable 56% on average. Bob ended up the season at over $1300 - an increase of
30% on his initial bankroll.
The
morale of this story is obvious but very few sports bettors
practice it. Don't overextend yourself: |
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#8 Posted: 3/18/2012 2:53:22 AM
It is very tempting to put down a lot on each game, especially
when you are winning. It is relatively boring to put down a little.
But, you need to work within your bankroll, whatever
that is. There will be bad streaks and good streaks in
sports betting. It is inevitable if
you do it for any extended period of time. Do yourself
the favor of allowing yourself to "stay in the game." Don't
miss out on that late-season run of luck because you
are out of the game too early.
If your bankroll (amount you have
set aside to bet with) is $10,000 and your average bet is more than
$300, you are betting too much. If you have $1,000 to bet with and your
average bet size is $30, you are betting too much. If your bankroll is
$500 and you bet more than $15 per game, you are betting too much.
The silver lining in all of this
is that YOU CONTROL THE SINGLE BIGGEST IMPEDIMENT TO LOSING. Let me say
that again - regardless of how you pick games or whether someone helps
you, you have the ability to erase the single biggest reason you may
lose. All you need to do is practice safe money management.
So,
how much you should you lay per game?
It
depends, of course, on your bankroll (how much
you are willing and able to lose over the course of the season).
But there is a simple rule that applies
regardless of
whether you are a ten-dollar per game bettor or a
one-thousand-dollar
per game bettor: Bet around 2% of your bankroll on average and don't ever
bet more than 5%
of your bankroll on any given game on which you
have even or close to even odds. On rare occassions where you are sure
your chance of winning the game is extremely high (i.e. moneyline
favorites), a higher % of bankroll is very occassionally warranted. But,
for most bets in which you have even odds, 5% is your upper max, and
your average needs to stay around 2%. There are no locks.
Let me repeat that - there is no such thing as a
sure
thing. Any bet can lose. Losing streaks can and do
happen. Even in a season where you hit 60% overall, you'll have weeks
where you hit 40%. It's an absolute certainty.
Can
you make money with this strategy? Absolutely.
In fact, its required to make money. Without this strategy, you will
consistently lose regardless of how well you pick games. If you hit
54-58% (what you should expect), you will lose a lot of money (and maybe
even deplete your entire bakroll) if you are betting more than 2% (on
average) of your bankroll per game!
If you are winning and on a great roll, your bets can increase
and you can win even more. How? You can simply use a
percentage of your remaining bankroll. As your
bankroll increases, your bet size increases. As your
bankroll decreases, your bets decrease. A nice side benefit
of this is that, by definition, you can never get wiped
out. It is mathematically impossible to lose your entire
bankroll if you are always betting a small percentage
of it.
The
bottom line: Remember, bet around 2% of your bankroll
on average per game game. If you aren't
as sure on a game, drop it to 1% and if you feel very good about a
game, take it up to 3%. For those rare games that you absolutely love,
you might go a tad higher but never risk more than 5% under any
circumstances.
I rate my picks as 1 to 5 units and I recommend you risk the following:
1 unit - 1% of bankroll
2 units - 2% of bankroll
3 units - 3% of bankroll
4 units - 4% of bankroll
5 units - 5% of bankroll
So, you are always risking between 1% and 5% of your bankroll, and about 2% on average. |
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#9 Posted: 3/18/2012 2:55:29 AM WTF |
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#10 Posted: 3/18/2012 2:57:33 AM Theirs really only one key to money management and its two words: DONT CHASE!!!
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#11 Posted: 3/18/2012 3:14:03 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by aznboi711s:
It is very tempting to put down a lot on each game, especially
when you are winning. It is relatively boring to put down a little.
But, you need to work within your bankroll, whatever
that is. There will be bad streaks and good streaks in
sports betting. It is inevitable if
you do it for any extended period of time. Do yourself
the favor of allowing yourself to "stay in the game." Don't
miss out on that late-season run of luck because you
are out of the game too early.
If your bankroll (amount you have
set aside to bet with) is $10,000 and your average bet is more than
$300, you are betting too much. If you have $1,000 to bet with and your
average bet size is $30, you are betting too much. If your bankroll is
$500 and you bet more than $15 per game, you are betting too much.
The silver lining in all of this
is that YOU CONTROL THE SINGLE BIGGEST IMPEDIMENT TO LOSING. Let me say
that again - regardless of how you pick games or whether someone helps
you, you have the ability to erase the single biggest reason you may
lose. All you need to do is practice safe money management.
So,
how much you should you lay per game?
It
depends, of course, on your bankroll (how much
you are willing and able to lose over the course of the season).
But there is a simple rule that applies
regardless of
whether you are a ten-dollar per game bettor or a
one-thousand-dollar
per game bettor: Bet around 2% of your bankroll on average and don't ever
bet more than 5%
of your bankroll on any given game on which you
have even or close to even odds. On rare occassions where you are sure
your chance of winning the game is extremely high (i.e. moneyline
favorites), a higher % of bankroll is very occassionally warranted. But,
for most bets in which you have even odds, 5% is your upper max, and
your average needs to stay around 2%. There are no locks.
Let me repeat that - there is no such thing as a
sure
thing. Any bet can lose. Losing streaks can and do
happen. Even in a season where you hit 60% overall, you'll have weeks
where you hit 40%. It's an absolute certainty.
Can
you make money with this strategy? Absolutely.
In fact, its required to make money. Without this strategy, you will
consistently lose regardless of how well you pick games. If you hit
54-58% (what you should expect), you will lose a lot of money (and maybe
even deplete your entire bakroll) if you are betting more than 2% (on
average) of your bankroll per game!
If you are winning and on a great roll, your bets can increase
and you can win even more. How? You can simply use a
percentage of your remaining bankroll. As your
bankroll increases, your bet size increases. As your
bankroll decreases, your bets decrease. A nice side benefit
of this is that, by definition, you can never get wiped
out. It is mathematically impossible to lose your entire
bankroll if you are always betting a small percentage
of it.
The
bottom line: Remember, bet around 2% of your bankroll
on average per game game. If you aren't
as sure on a game, drop it to 1% and if you feel very good about a
game, take it up to 3%. For those rare games that you absolutely love,
you might go a tad higher but never risk more than 5% under any
circumstances.
I rate my picks as 1 to 5 units and I recommend you risk the following:
1 unit - 1% of bankroll
2 units - 2% of bankroll
3 units - 3% of bankroll
4 units - 4% of bankroll
5 units - 5% of bankroll
So, you are always risking between 1% and 5% of your bankroll, and about 2% on average.
This is real helpful.. Thank you |
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#12 Posted: 3/18/2012 3:21:55 AM lift up your skirt and find your balls and make a real bet!
$50-$100 is for the sunday school girls. You want to win big then you need to man up and bet big 
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