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Author:	[NFL Betting] Topic: IF DAN MARINO had the SAINTS WEAPONS, he'd throw for 5,500 YARDS
BigNiner	View Space \| Blog \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Captain Joined: Oct 2002 Posts: 6180 Location: New York	#51 Posted: 12/27/2011 2:45:36 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by gollum: what's your point, all records in football are products of the surrounding players. You think jerry rice could set all those records without montana/young? Or any running back record without the oline? Settle down. Why so angry? If you want to know my point, is that the media has created this sentiment that unless a QB wins a Super Bowl, they have failed to some degree. I am not saying I agree with that, but that is has become the overwhelming ignorant viewpoint. Personally, I agree with you that this argument is weak. Ted Williams never won a championship and he is the greatest baseball player ever IMO. Are you telling me that Craig Counsell is a better player than Ted Williams because he won a ring? However; we'd be remise if we did not acknowledge this stereotyping that people seem to have accepted. Marino in that regard falls into the group of Warren Moon and Jim Kelly. Great QB's who were never able to win the big one.
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JakeLake720	View Space \| Blog \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Veteran Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 4032 Location:	#52 Posted: 12/27/2011 3:22:53 PM Dan Marino is/was the best quarterback I have ever seen. Seeing him rip up the best defense of all-time confirmed that fact for me. Drew Brees is a hell of a player and future Hall of Famer, good for him. People also don't remember how great Brees was at Purdue..
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TomE	RSI View Space \| Blog \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Rookie Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 625 Location: California	#53 Posted: 12/27/2011 5:36:26 PM Your thread premise is downright ignorant. First of all, Marino had his share of weapons. He had the "Marx Brothers" Duper and Clayton who helped him pile up those yards. Secondly, Marino had a great arm to get the ball down field for those guys but he was pocket passer who relied on accuracy and arm strength. Brees is a whole different animal. His gift is an amazing pocket presence with a sort of "6th sense"...he makes a side step here, a side step there avoiding the rush and buys the time for his weapons to get open. Two QBs with similar achievements but completely different styles. Also, you are completely wrong about Brees. He is a 100% class act.
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blowoutgm	RSI View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Veteran Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 1455 Location: Louisiana	#54 Posted: 12/27/2011 7:17:05 PM Yep- Two completely different QB's- Marino had probably the quickest release ever. I met him one time at a swimming pool during the season and he looked like "Joe schmo beer drinker"- Didn't look anything like an athlete but had one of the greatest arms ever. It's too early to tell just how good Brees will end up but he is damn good.
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JohnnyChill	View Space \| Blog \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Prospect Joined: May 2011 Posts: 21 Location: California	#55 Posted: 12/27/2011 7:20:57 PM But Marino still wouldnt have won a Superbowl.
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ActionMagnet	View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Rookie Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 869 Location: United States	#56 Posted: 12/27/2011 7:28:43 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by JohnnyChill: But Marino still wouldnt have won a Superbowl. Cut the bullshit snapper head. My authority here supersedes your rank and garbage posts like that will have you in the box.
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thorpe	View Space \| Blog \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Captain Joined: Sep 2002 Posts: 7164 Location:	#57 Posted: 12/27/2011 7:31:45 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by LongWaddy: It's simple Superbowls Marino 0 So Trent Dilfer is a better QB than Marino?
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ActionMagnet	View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Rookie Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 869 Location: United States	#58 Posted: 12/30/2011 9:48:48 PM " 2. Was it right that I didn't get excited about Drew Brees' new passing yards record? It reminds me of Oscar Robertson averaging a triple-double, or any of the Bonds/McGwire home run records; it's impossible to separate the era from the accomplishment itself. When Dan Marino threw for 5,084 yards in 1984, you were allowed to (a) pummel the QB every chance you had, (b) dive at the QB's knees as he was throwing the ball, (c) crush any receiver coming over the middle, and (d) jam receivers at the line by any means necessary, even if you had to use a crowbar or a chainsaw. It wasimpossible to throw for 5,000 yards back then. Only two other 1984 QBs cracked 4,000 yards (Neil Lomax and Phil Simms); nobody else cracked 3,800 yards; and only five guys even attempted 500+ passes (Marino's 564 was the highest). In 2011? Ten QBs will crack 4,000 yards; six will crack 4,500 yards; two (including Tom Brady) will crack 5,000 yards. Heading into Week 17, ten 2011 QBs have already thrown more than 500+ passes, with Brees leading the way with 622. It's a totally different game. Heading forward, we're going to see multiple QBs throw for 5,000 yards every season … right?" A-friggin-MEN
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SteelCash	View Space \| Blog \| Friends \| Playbook \| My Sportsbook: Sports Interaction \|
Veteran Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 4518 Location: Ohio	#59 Posted: 12/30/2011 10:27:44 PM I'm sure that somebody has already said it, but you really can't compare the QB's because of the rule changes that have been implemented lately. You can't touch the QB and you can't hit the WR too hard. Completely different game these days. Check this video out... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y5N6nmklag
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Rookie Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 869 Location: United States	#60 Posted: 12/30/2011 10:57:15 PM Great Video Steel$.. " the NFL has handcuffed defenses "
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mightiestmojo	View Space \| Blog \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Veteran Joined: May 2009 Posts: 4853 Location: Texas	#61 Posted: 12/30/2011 10:59:12 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by SteelCash: I'm sure that somebody has already said it, but you really can't compare the QB's because of the rule changes that have been implemented lately. You can't touch the QB and you can't hit the WR too hard. Completely different game these days. Check this video out... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Y5N6nmklag Great post. It's ridiculous to compare records. It's a different era if rules were the same still then yes it's equal. Nowadays c'mon! I'm shocked it lasted this long with the way offense is babied. Brees seems like a good guy to me so good for him but Marino with today's rules might have got 6000 yards.
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Rookie Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 953 Location: Texas	#62 Posted: 12/30/2011 11:17:36 PM Any behind clown that would say anything bad about Drew Brees is a douchebag. The man is not only an amazing player but is an incredible person as well. His charity works in NOLA after the hurricane were amazing. He has been one of the main people behind the resurgance of high school football in New Orleans often donating time and huge amounts of money to rebuild football fields for kids.With all the fool in the NFL that you could complain about, man go darn yourself.
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Saint_John	View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Rookie Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 953 Location: Texas	#63 Posted: 12/30/2011 11:19:03 PM By the way.... Marino was a great QB too. Not near the athlete Brees is but maybe a quicker release.
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JayBiz	RSI View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \| My Sportsbook: Stations \|
Veteran Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 1309 Location: Nevada	#64 Posted: 12/30/2011 11:25:13 PM Back in 82', Marino could throw a pigskin a quarter mile
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Prospect Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 48 Location: New York	#65 Posted: 12/31/2011 9:15:02 PM I followed Marino his whole career being a die hard fins fan. Never seen someone throw the ball like he did or move so subtly in the pocket to avoid a rush. Always looking downfield all he needed was a split second to get rid of the ball, which made his lack of athleticism irrelevant. He had a great feel in the pocket and could feel where the rush was coming from, predict it and move just enough to give himself enough time to zip it out of there. No he wasn't the athlete Brees is but didn't need to be. I really appreciate Brees' game and he is a class act. I'm sure Marino is glad someone of Brees' caliber broke his record. It lasted 27 years. Do you think Brees' record will last that long? Doubt it. Don Shula is the reason Marino never won a Super Bowl. He was a great coach in many ways but never assembled a super bowl team around Marino. He had guys that could catch Dan's passes but always lacked a super bowl defense and a run game. His loyalty to defensive coordinator Tom Olivadotti hurt most of all. Year after year the dolphins D was in the bottom half of the league in many categories yet Shula never fired Olivadotti, he was too loyal to his friend and always assumed Marino's rifle arm could overcome any other team deficiencies. We all know defenses win championships and I'm sure Shula did too. However, he couldn't do what was necessary to give Marino the defense he needed to compete with more complete teams come playoff time. A running game would have helped too but wasn't as important as a top 10 defense. David Overstreet's tragic death in the offseason of '84 really hurt. Was killed riding his bike in the offseason after being hit by a car. He was quite talented.
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