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Author: [MLB Betting] Topic: Miguel Cabrera is the MVP
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Posted: 10/7/2012 12:50:36 PM
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Posted: 10/7/2012 2:31:34 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by LETGOPACK1234:

Just because a player breaks a record, doesnt mean he is the MVP.  Winning the triple crown means you were the best hitter in the league, thats it!

First, I dont get where people talk about his good fielding %.  On ESPN, where I look, he has the 4th LOWEST fielding % in the AL this year for 3rd baseman.  And, that doesnt include the ack of range he has compared to every other 3rd baseman.  If its not hit right at him, he wont get to it. 

Second, it is amazing how people compare the RBIS.  Trout played less game.  Trout lead-offs and bats behind 7-8-9 hitters and not 1-2 hitters.  Trout played in a much more pitcher friendly park.  Only 1 other leadoff hitter in the MLB was within 20 RBIS of Trout this year and that was Ian Kinsler.  And once again, doing all of this playing less games.

If you take Trouts numbers and put them into a full season, he is right at Cabrera in every triple crown number. 

Then, you take into account the SB.  Trout had 49.  Plus, all the stress he puts on pitchers and defense when he is on the bases. 

His defense is next.  How many homerun robbing clips on ESPN???  All the runs he saves playing center field. 

When Trout came up, the Angels were a dead team.  He completely turned that team around and had them in the playoff picture. 

Yes, the Tigers made it and the Angels didnt, but the Angels had more wins and played in an awful AL Central. 

Cabrera is/was hands down the best hitter in baseball this year and the past few years.  But, just because you lead in average, hrs and rbis, doesnt mean you are an MVP.  It means you are an amazing hitter


You can't say "if you spread his stats out over a whole season" because for one, averages tend to drop.  The fact that he had a subpar September tells me that he was on the downward slide.  Partially because even he couldn't keep up the pace he was on, and that teams were finally figuring out how to pitch to him.

It's a nice dream, but not reality.

Cabrera is the MVP.  You guys can look at your sabremetrics and cry until next year.
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Posted: 10/7/2012 2:34:57 PM
Oh and lets not forget that Pujols was slumping horribly at the beginning of the year.  So if you want to give Trout all of the credit for the Angels turnaround, then thats absurd.  Let's not also forget that Trumbo blew up for a few months, and that helped the team out.

But I'm sure Trout made those guys better.  Of course.  
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Posted: 10/8/2012 7:07:01 PM
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2011&month=0&season1=2011&ind=0
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Posted: 10/8/2012 7:35:46 PM

Yes, Trout did make Trumbo and Albert better.  Nobody was getting on base for them prior to Trout coming back up.  Much tougher to pitch to Albert with a man on 2nd 1 out, then 2 outs nobody on.

The Angels EXPLODED when Trout arrived.  He was the reason. 

If you never played baseball, you will never understand what a differnece speed like Trout has on the bases, pitch selection, defense...

When Trout is on base, it completely changes an at-bat

Cabrera had an amazing year at the PLATE....BUT THATS ALL....He is a HITTER...that doesnt mean he is the MVP

He will win, but he shouldnt

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Posted: 10/10/2012 7:04:18 AM
How can some dismiss the accomplishments of a feat that hasn't been accomplished since Yaz did it back in `67 is mind boggling.
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