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Posted: 7/2/2008 9:27:27 PM
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Posted: 7/2/2008 9:37:46 PM
Is McCains effort to finish in the bottom 2% of his Naval Academy class an issue? Yes, he has traded his whole political career on his military career.
 
How big an issue is it? Not very much in the whole scheme of things.
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Posted: 7/2/2008 9:45:57 PM
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Agreed, McCain's peformance in Acadamy 80 yrs ago ... is not an issue; should not be an issue. Focusing on the candidates' strenghths (by both public and media) may actually provide some basis of confidence for the candidates and we the people....
 
... instead we get a garbage slinging fest; its no wonder were losing our identity as a proud and united USofA.
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Posted: 7/2/2008 10:01:05 PM

Correct. At the end of the day we do not end up with the best candidate, but the one who smells least worse.

Maybe if either candidate was worth voting for we may have a positive campaign.

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Posted: 7/2/2008 10:02:50 PM
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Shortly after taking office in 1993 Bill Clinton pushed through the biggest tax increase in history.  Obama isn't even suggesting we go back to taxes that high.  Saying that he didn't tax us to death is revisionist history as that is what the Republicans were screaming at the time.  Meanwhile the next 7 years were a boom.


Depeche..

Having marginal tax increases when an economy is reasonable is easier to choke down than what Obama will do with THIS economy. We are a disaster waiting to happen with the wrong governmental mistakes. This isnt 1992 and the tech monster just starting and rates in the 7% range for mortgages and property values much lower and we were out of Kuwait (which is NOTHING compared to Iraq).

You really need to hold off comparing tax increases in a stable economy rather than what we have now.

Do you fellas not understand that it could take 10 years of unwinding from the FED to undo the currency float done over the last 6 years? That means HIGHER RATES for an extended period of time, it also means more selling of our current government bonds, those people who are holding them with these lower coupons and rates. Higher rates mean our market is not as attractive compared to other alternatives and unwinding our currency land mine means the dollar should go higher if the FED ever gets around to stopping this disaster and that means a stronger dollar which means less exports and less demand for the stocks in our market.

You guys really are not understanding the dire condition we are facing, so please refrain from saying Clinton raised taxes, so Obama is ok to raise taxes.

The above message should strike fear into you and it is only the tip of the iceburg. We are also sitting smack in the early stages of a recession, add the currency unwinding and higher interest rates AND you guys want to raise income taxes????

Yeah...grand idea here.


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Posted: 7/2/2008 10:51:00 PM
Our dollar is destined for devaluation thru intervention, or even a new currency is plausible.
 
Paying off pre-devaluation debt dollars with post-devaluation tax revenue will make the debt more manageable, The value of real estate will soar. Fixed income securities holders, will be provided relief (far from sufficient to make the investment profitable tho.)
 
So those of you who can... nibble at some real estate, and avoid US $ denominated fixed securities. Lots of analysts calling for dollar bounce against other major currencies...
 
...do not buy it. Stocks will outperform bonds until this unfolds (years)
 
If we can learn to allow the "fittest" companies to survive and the "weakest" to perish (instead of bailing them out, with the magic cash printing wand), then the great economic potential of this nation can start to be realized.
 
And we need to feed our science research centers, as these are the lifeline of innovation... and the budgets are being pared to bare min... whereas the russians and chinese are spending record amounts in R & D of new technologies.
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Posted: 7/2/2008 10:54:27 PM
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Depeche..

Having marginal tax increases when an economy is reasonable is easier to choke down than what Obama will do with THIS economy. We are a disaster waiting to happen with the wrong governmental mistakes. This isnt 1992 and the tech monster just starting and rates in the 7% range for mortgages and property values much lower and we were out of Kuwait (which is NOTHING compared to Iraq).

You really need to hold off comparing tax increases in a stable economy rather than what we have now.

Do you fellas not understand that it could take 10 years of unwinding from the FED to undo the currency float done over the last 6 years? That means HIGHER RATES for an extended period of time, it also means more selling of our current government bonds, those people who are holding them with these lower coupons and rates. Higher rates mean our market is not as attractive compared to other alternatives and unwinding our currency land mine means the dollar should go higher if the FED ever gets around to stopping this disaster and that means a stronger dollar which means less exports and less demand for the stocks in our market.

You guys really are not understanding the dire condition we are facing, so please refrain from saying Clinton raised taxes, so Obama is ok to raise taxes.

The above message should strike fear into you and it is only the tip of the iceburg. We are also sitting smack in the early stages of a recession, add the currency unwinding and higher interest rates AND you guys want to raise income taxes????

Yeah...grand idea here.


Yeah, Republicans completely fucked up the economy, the war, the Katrina aftermath, etc., etc. So let's give them another four years. This is the definition of insanity.

 

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Posted: 7/2/2008 11:47:00 PM
griller,

Ive said my point like 10 times.

We are in a serious quandry here and the solution is not to do a 180 and make things worse.

The currency issue, our debt, the Iraq disaster were all created over a 6-8 year period of time, we need to wisely back out of the problem and do so SLOWLY.

You will see what I mean if Obama decides to tax tax tax and spend spend spend in the face of higher rates, a recession and global inflation and economic deceleration.

I am an INDY/DEM here but I see the situation and the correct cause of action is to slowly finish heart surgery and not attempt brain surgery instead.
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Posted: 7/3/2008 2:36:19 AM
darn it all.  Don't vote for either one.  Vote Libertarian and gamble on baseball games.  Baseball's not going anywhere.
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Posted: 7/3/2008 2:39:12 AM
While you're at it, put an eggplant up my behind as I masturbate and build towards orgasm.  When I'm about to nut, punch me hard in the forehead until I'm knocked out.  If I don't pass out, suffocate me until comatose.  Going big on the Braves tomorrow.
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Posted: 7/3/2008 11:45:51 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

griller,

Ive said my point like 10 times.

We are in a serious quandry here and the solution is not to do a 180 and make things worse.

The currency issue, our debt, the Iraq disaster were all created over a 6-8 year period of time, we need to wisely back out of the problem and do so SLOWLY.

You will see what I mean if Obama decides to tax tax tax and spend spend spend in the face of higher rates, a recession and global inflation and economic deceleration.

I am an INDY/DEM here but I see the situation and the correct cause of action is to slowly finish heart surgery and not attempt brain surgery instead.

WSC....totally agree here.  I really think once Obama is in office that the tax policies will be mollified a little bit to include a lot more tax breaks for small businesses(aka the backbone of our economy).  Most important thing is to balance the budget by 2010 which is doable if the withdrawal of troops occurs over 16 months.

 

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Posted: 7/3/2008 12:17:41 PM
I can understand this.  The first three or four colleges I attended, when I was quite young (started at 16) I just played around, coasted, had a lot of incompletes that turned into F's.  Later (at age 30) when I went to school where I was paying my own way and trying to get an education where I could make a decent living I did a lot better.  One A, mostly B's,a C or so (don't remember) and one incomplete that turned into an F (I was too broke to pay the "drop" fee). Therefore, my total  gpa just barely made it over  2.5.  I can see how he was young and screwed off for the first couple of years.  Even so, to graduate from the Naval Academy is a great feat (IMO, I was an enlisted man in the Navy) and ranking does not mean that much now. What do they call a medical student that graduates last in his class?  DOCTOR.  I am not a McCain fan but can surely understand his ranking, no big deal.
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Posted: 7/3/2008 12:36:34 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by lonetreejj:

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everybody has a god that they believe in.... even the most intellectual atheist, has science as his god. And, those things that science cant explain, is not because they're inexplicable, but rather that we havent accumulated the knowledge/data to explain them.
 
I happen to believe in the human spirit, and believe in the merits of christianity, muslim, hindu, budhist, and especially the religion of Ja. Each religion has merit. The problem is that each is manipulated by MEN to elicit specific behavior (conformity)of the masses. Translations get skewed to the benefit of the translators.
By nature, those in control of power, will abuse power to better their own ends. There is nothing suprising in that.
 
... but faith is a fickle friend, and you should not be dismissive of the validity and benefits attained therefrom, and acknowledging- and even accepting some faith in your life- acknowledging the innate sense of right and wrong- acknowledging that there is some common innate sense that we are born with; is to acknowledge the spirit of man.
 
Our forefathers understood that more blood is spilt in the name of god than for any other reason; and thus Freedom of Religion is a basic right.
 
 Its those same inexperienced few refugees, those few idealists, that saught change and created a world where the people held the power to "change" ineffective and corrupt government. But the politicians have robbed us of these powers. They've divided us into halves. The Liberals and The Conservatives (and all the other negative terms used to describe the opposing half.)
 
The one thing that Georgie Bush may be credited for in history... is that he united the American people... against this bureaucratic b.s. govt; and in search of change. 

I understand and fully respect your explanation of "faith".  I understand why people believe in God.  For most life is difficult and the illusion of hope is alluring.  But I'm sorry grown adults that believe in God should search else where for answers.  People created God, not the other way around.  That's the irony of religion.  It's actually quite sad, for me at least.  To be a politican in America you have to placate to the notion that there's an invisible man in the sky that watches everything we do.  God was invented to control people's thoughts.  Scare 'em and keep 'em in line.

America is obsessed with religion.  Why is it that 87% of the population in Scandanavian nations described themselves as atheists.  Atheism is a dirty word in America, just like socialism.  Not socialism, like it's some kind of sin. 

Freud said it best "man is a greedy murder", and the American capitalist experiment is the best example that Freud was right.  I call it an experiment because it's only been in exisistence for 225 or so years.  Many great empires lasted longer and fell.  Sow ill this one and it calls comes down to greed.

         

  

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Posted: 7/3/2008 7:26:17 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by lonetreejj:

abaum
 
everybody has a god that they believe in.... even the most intellectual atheist, has science as his god. And, those things that science cant explain, is not because they're inexplicable, but rather that we havent accumulated the knowledge/data to explain them.
 
I happen to believe in the human spirit, and believe in the merits of christianity, muslim, hindu, budhist, and especially the religion of Ja. Each religion has merit. The problem is that each is manipulated by MEN to elicit specific behavior (conformity)of the masses. Translations get skewed to the benefit of the translators.
By nature, those in control of power, will abuse power to better their own ends. There is nothing suprising in that.
 
... but faith is a fickle friend, and you should not be dismissive of the validity and benefits attained therefrom, and acknowledging- and even accepting some faith in your life- acknowledging the innate sense of right and wrong- acknowledging that there is some common innate sense that we are born with; is to acknowledge the spirit of man.
 
Our forefathers understood that more blood is spilt in the name of god than for any other reason; and thus Freedom of Religion is a basic right.
 
 Its those same inexperienced few refugees, those few idealists, that saught change and created a world where the people held the power to "change" ineffective and corrupt government. But the politicians have robbed us of these powers. They've divided us into halves. The Liberals and The Conservatives (and all the other negative terms used to describe the opposing half.)
 
The one thing that Georgie Bush may be credited for in history... is that he united the American people... against this bureaucratic b.s. govt; and in search of change


Are you calling GW Bush a uniter ????


yeah right...

for the past 8 years, the so-called neocons or conservatives have use dthe politics of fear, hate and division.

the neocons cannot do no wrong and are always quick to Blame Bill Clinton or the democrats..

the biggest neo-con cheerleader Rush " El Limbaugh" Limbaugh said the high gas price is caused by the democratic controlled congress .
yeah right ...

The dems have been in control of congress since January 2007 and they do not have a majority in the senate

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Posted: 7/4/2008 10:49:10 AM
I agree with mta6. I think how McCain got into the military and how he did at the naval academy is very pertinent. What is his record in Congress like, is there anything compelling? I am asking, I really don't know. I think McCain is a good man - as opposed to Bush, who has no conscience - but he doesn't seem like the brightest guy and we need someone brilliant at this point in our history - things are extremely bad for America right now.
 
Look at how Bush dodged the military, I think now that shows exactly Bush's "military morality". An awful lot of families are destroyed by this war which we were manipulated into by Bush and Cheney. Also, I believe this war has devasted our economy, besides the unnecessary deaths and injuries. It is really sickening.
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