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dude, the lines can and will change week by week.

I don't think the Niner will be that bad, 6-10 - 8-8 IMO

 Well I'd say the magic number is 4 wins or less so the teams I see trying to reach that but failing are (in no particular order)...

San Francisco - Imagine how those fans feel knowing they could have taken a kid from thier own backyard, Aaron Rodgers-CAL, and took Alex Smith-Utah in his place. To be fair, any QB would have sucked playing under the current ownership. But thier new HC would love to snag his star Stanford QB with a little LUCKy 12-14 game losing streak in SF this season... right? Can they allow another talented QB to escape from thier own backyard? My guesstimae is 1-15 for the Niners.

Seattle - Good thing they have so many coffee shops up there because it will be hard to stay awake watching this team, even at home where they had been decent in recent years. Maybe downers will become all the new rage to avoid seeing any games at all. They should petition the league to actually let a 12th man play so they can have a chance to win. Seattle fans should hope that 12th man can also play QB. Jokes asides... I've heard the 12th man refused hid season ticket renewal for this season. OUCH!!! My guesstimate is 4-12 for the Seahawks.

Cincy - What have thier fans done to deserve being treated like this by thier teams owner? They could have 10 number one picks next season and still be 6 years behind in a 5 year plan. My guesstimate is 2-14 in yet another rebuilding decade.

Carolina - Run, Cam, Run. (...and that's your plan in a nutshell folks. Enjoy those season tickets) My guesstimate is 1-15 for the Panthers. And it might not come until a final week game vs the Saints who will sit everybody and only dress stadium employees.

Buffalo - Seems like the guys from Up State always wind up near the 4 win mark. Bright side is they get the AFC West this season so just maybe. My guesstimate is 6-10 for Da Bills (includes 3-1 vs AFC West... or not).

Minnesota - McNabb is an upgrade from last season BUT he's in the same situation just a different division... 4th best in the North now in stead of the East. At least he has a RB in Minny so he won't take as much of a pounding getting sacked. Still... I bet that ball see a lot of turf or pick 6's as McNabb just smiles it all off heading towards the sidelines. McNabb must perform well or it will be "No Soup For YOU!!!" - My guesstimate is 4-12 for the Purple 5 led Vikes.

Denver - Good thing they had practice not knowing who thier #1 QB was... because with that O-line they might have a new one each week. I think we will have seen the last of John Fox as a HC in the NFL after this season... hopefully. Hey, can they carry Elway as the #4 QB??? Just saying. Maybe put all 3 QB's in the same backfield??? I'm trying to help and be creative here Pony fans. Here's a joke - Orton, Quinn and Tebow are all in an airplane when they realize the pilot is gone and the planes is going down. There is just one parachute so Orton jumps up and says "I'm #1" then jumps out with it.... Quinn stand up after finding out he was sitting on another cute and says "Must be the luck of the Irish" and jumps out with his cute... Tebow just smiles and says "God is my co-pilot" and walks towards the cockpit which is a glow in lights from a fire there. No wreckage of the plane or any trace of Tebow are ever seen again. ---So, I tried a funny, ha,ha,ha. - My guesstimate is 4-12 for Denver

Oakland - Finally the Raiders show some signs of hope... sweep thier division... finish at .500%... Gain some respect back... and then... FIRE the best Head Coach they have had since "Chuckie" was friggin TRADED(!!!!!!!!!!) for a draft pick. Yes last season they improved on offense with Hue Jackson who is now the head coach. This guys will be on the Al Davis sh!t list by mid-season. Lets hope Al does not hold another Crypt Keeper press conference about the HC unless he's gonna fire this guy or move the team to LA again. They have lost thier best defensive star, CB Nnamdi Asomugha because of a glitch in his contract...Oppsie!!! They lost thier most productive receiver, Zach Miller, to Tom Cable and his new OLC job in Seattle. The only thing AGAIN that might save them from just a 4 win season is that they play in the AFC West but there is a very real potential for them to go into the bye week with an 0-7 record. I wonder if they can sign that LA stadium lease agreement during the bye week. That's one way Al can beat the Chargers this season. Rumor "should be" that if the Raiders move to LA they'll need to add bomb sniffing dogs and metal detecters for body searches at the stadium and lot entrances in the new LA stadium. Besides... LA likes a good drama of two and since NONE of the Hollywood writers can come up with anything aside from remakes... well, enter the Oakland, LA, Oakland, LA Raiders. It just seems so right for this wacky franchise. - My guesstimate is 4-12 (4-2 in AFC West) for Daaa Raaaiders.

My best guesstimate is ... a TIE between Carolina and San Francisco at 1-15 each.

Now lets move on to the thread that explains the tiebreaker for worst(First Pick in Draft) team in the NFL for the 2011-12 season.

Originally Posted by amd:

San Francisco. No contest.

Originally Posted by Niners13:



You still don't think they win more than 4 games? 

Pathetic. Just clueless.

Originally Posted by Niners13:



Alex Smith 104.1 rating

Kolb 77.2 rating

Bradford 70.8 rating

So much FAIL  in this thread.