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Posted: 2/14/2012 11:29:34 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

J,

Thanks for that, very helpful and on topic..lol

Just a few comments- why do you show utter disdain towards anyone who claims that the media reported numbers arent 100% factual since they are only going off of the 'popular' vote and not by the actual delegates 'elected' at the caucuses?

Where did I show disdain for the scenario you described? Follow the trail of messages..I started questioning with great shock not at what you describe, rather what koaj did, which was pretty much the exact opposite. His "boots on the ground" pollsters have RP in the delegate LEAD..not just a few off or 90% compared to pretty much any and all other sources..more like 1000% in the opposite direction. It was a spotlight of amazement, that is when my "show of disdain" started and why..thanks for the glaring inaccurate generalization (as usual).

next-  also, i dont understand your argument that since someone isnt betting on ron paul, then their delegate count must not be accurate.  unless you know of somehow the GOP selects its candidate tomorrow, then its a completely irrelevant argument.

The comment (as previously discussed several times) is if one has inside info like this, shocking and confirmed (per koaj and others) then why the hell would you not profit from it? Its legal, confirmed information that one could easily arbitrage the general public and make money from it..but you know the underlying point of why I ask the question several times. The comment is more of "put your money where your mouth is". If you have this information and believe it then you would do nothing short of put all you have to support the data. Its similar to knowing that a key player who is on IR will come off and you know the line is wrong without any doubt..you trade off that knowledge and take advantage of market inefficiencies.

And lastly...but your utter lack of common sense in the matter suggests you dont know these things/i cant wait for some illogical response that completely evades the main point of this post

What can I say here..you lack the ability to debate without the constant personal insults. 

I suppose we shall see if miraculously RP turns his 18 delegates into post #22's 150 plus. It is quite interesting that many of you will debate this myth into the ground but none of you will put up money behind it.






thanks for proving my point for me.  you completely ignored the most important part of my previous post which directly invalidated your argument.  geez, i wonder why that is.

i actually you think you like acting like a know it all on here and refusing to recognize any facts which are contrary to your beliefs so you get attention.

1 last time.  when you belittle those with opposing beliefs and use emoticons in just about every post, i call that disdain.  maybe we have different definitions, but so be it.

once again, your premise that if one truly believes ron paul has more delegates than what the media is reporting that they should be betting on ron paul is completely moronic at best.  for starters, tampa is a long long ways away and there are how many states left?  and as i previously enlightened you on, ron paul does very well in caucus states, and there have been 4 caucuses so far of the 8 states but only 8 remaining of the other 42 (or 49).  thus your argument is tantamount to saying why arent you betting on an NFL team to win it all after week 2 and after playing a very favorable schedule.

finally, if you only respond to one thing, respond to this (but you and i both know you wont because you are a coward who wont recognize any facts that refute your beliefs)

do you think its coincidence that the media reported results of NV directly correspond to the 'popular' vote?

fyi, i work with someone who was at the clark county (las vegas' county) caucus and he said paul had 8 delegates, more than the media "reported", err calculated based on "popular" vote, for the entire state of NV.
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Posted: 2/14/2012 11:48:08 PM

According to the Bangor Daily News  The Maine Republican Party is being urged to reconsider its announcement that presidential candidate Mitt Romney a preference poll of state caucus-goers...

The Maine GOP said on Saturday that Romney had defeated Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas, 39 percent to 36 percent, or less than 200 votes....

According to the newspaper, some communities that followed caucus procedure were still not counted in the final tabulation. In addition, one county was forced to postpone its caucus because of a snowstorm and so was not included in the count.

 Iowa caucuses..deja vu  ?

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edit *    urged to reconsider its announcement that presidential candidate Mitt Romney won a preference poll of state caucus-goers...
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Posted: 2/15/2012 12:01:39 AM
J,

I am not interested in your conspiracy theories about why the media did this or the media did that. If you enjoy diving into the media swimming pool like all other RP fans, go right ahead. I dont follow the media or one polling method vs another or if one is trying to root for one or the other.

The delegate calculation method can correspond with the popular vote, or it might include some other methods..do you think I have the time to waste for a topic which is of little interest to me?

I dont care what this or that media does or says since I dont follow any of them. I dont follow the media. I dont read the paper, I dont watch news shows or the news in itself, the media does not educate me or influence me. I might read articles online, but in all seriousness the news channels here are depressing and biased so I have watched more Match Game than news or news programs, political programs etc etc.

Sorry to burst your anger bubble but I dont follow it..my time is too valuable to watch biased news reporting and political garbage.

I havent bashed you in this response at all, my contention was stated and my intention known. If you are unable to debate the content we disagree on and need to make more personal remarks, I suggest you refrain from replying at all.
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Posted: 2/15/2012 3:47:50 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

J,

I am not interested in your conspiracy theories about why the media did this or the media did that. If you enjoy diving into the media swimming pool like all other RP fans, go right ahead. I dont follow the media or one polling method vs another or if one is trying to root for one or the other.

The delegate calculation method can correspond with the popular vote, or it might include some other methods..do you think I have the time to waste for a topic which is of little interest to me?

I dont care what this or that media does or says since I dont follow any of them. I dont follow the media. I dont read the paper, I dont watch news shows or the news in itself, the media does not educate me or influence me. I might read articles online, but in all seriousness the news channels here are depressing and biased so I have watched more Match Game than news or news programs, political programs etc etc.

Sorry to burst your anger bubble but I dont follow it..my time is too valuable to watch biased news reporting and political garbage.

I havent bashed you in this response at all, my contention was stated and my intention known. If you are unable to debate the content we disagree on and need to make more personal remarks, I suggest you refrain from replying at all.


holy cow you are bad at this.  you just invalidated your previous arguments in this post.  you know why you are not good at debating, its bc you dont base your arguments on fact, only on philosophies you want to be true, and then try to have it both ways.

lets recap, you just said youd dont follow the media polling yet YOU used media polling to make your stance on the delegate count.  or maybe it was someone else who made post #35?

and if you dont follow the media, why do you take their reporting of NVs delegates as gospel, when they clearly just appropriated the delegates based on the total vote.  furthermore, why do you feel the delegates are based on the appropriated vote when you have already stated you know how the delegate process works in caucuses?

if you are aware how the delegate process works in caucuses, then surely you must be aware that the total vote has nothing to due with the selection of delegates.  but your refusal to discredit the medias reporting of delegates being proportional to the popular vote, means you are refusing to validate your stance that you know how the delegate process works.  dont you find it just a tad humorous that you contradicted yourself because you were trying to have it both ways?

btw, thanks for the straight forward answer once again to the major premise of my post, no ducking the issue or spinning here (sarcasm)


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Posted: 2/15/2012 4:08:24 PM
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All that wind is blowing me over..lol

You are connecting my comments to form a conclusion when they are not interconnected points.

I did say that I dont follow the media, that was to answer your question. So yes I did say that.

I did say I view online articles and things here and there..but no consistent observation of any media or political sources. Yes I did say that.

My viewing of a few sources of delegate count is a separate issue from my watching tv based political discussion or news. So I would not know how the "media treated dot dot dot" because I did not see this reporting or view it. I also said that there are likely a variety of ways that delegate counting is done, especially when it is estimated. 

I do not see your point here outside trying to discredit my POV, which was as noted several times..I questioned (still do) how you RP fans can jump in delegate count from all other sources (notice the term sources, I did not name one and reference only one or two)  to the tune between 10 to 30 times the count reported elsewhere. 

It is also quite curious that the only rebuttal RP fans have is other RP fans reporting..the ole "boots on the ground" blogs which are as biased and faulty in reality as you are claiming other sources that based delegate counts off popular vote percentages.

Translation..I see zero proof of what was claimed here outside the RP think tank, thus it is fair to question these numbers..especially since they are just a TINY bit off the beaten path of reality.

Keep working at it, at least this time you reduced the number of personal attacks. I do applaud you for that.
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Posted: 2/15/2012 4:22:30 PM
wallstreet,

you need to reread what I wrote.

I specifically asked you about NV, the state where i live, and where i know people who where at the caucuses and know the actual delegate count (at least for clark county which is 1/2 of NV population).

your refusal to address my specific point regarding NV only further adds to your reputation of being unable to repudiate facts that contradict your beliefs.

you claim you know how the delegate process works but at the same time openly accept the medias NVs delegate count, which is merely based on the % of the popular vote.

one last time, yes or no, given that you understand how delegates work in a caucus state, do you accept that the medias reported delegate count in NV is wrong, barring an astronomical coincidental chance, and that the true number of delegates each candidate earned is different?

i look forward to yet another post where you refuse to answer my specific question and spin/deflect/be obtuse/ or whatever else you do when you know you are wrong.
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Posted: 2/15/2012 4:54:24 PM
Lovely..going around in circles.

How would I know what the media in Vegas reported since I dont follow the media in Vegas or anywhere?

The initial point I was making has been lost in your whale hunt. I was not and have not referenced Nevada at all, nor did I say that every single source of reporting is based off any one method. Go back and find where I said ANYTHING that you are suggesting.

I have no idea if the reporting in Nevada is wrong, I dont follow what the media is reporting, especially in a macro sense as you are suggesting.

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Posted: 2/15/2012 5:03:10 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

Lovely..going around in circles.

How would I know what the media in Vegas reported since I dont follow the media in Vegas or anywhere?

The initial point I was making has been lost in your whale hunt. I was not and have not referenced Nevada at all, nor did I say that every single source of reporting is based off any one method. Go back and find where I said ANYTHING that you are suggesting.

I have no idea if the reporting in Nevada is wrong, I dont follow what the media is reporting, especially in a macro sense as you are suggesting.



because you friggin citing the medias reported delegate count in post 35!!!!!!

this is not hard to understand, you are arguing against those who say ron paul has more delegates than what the media is reporting.  i am giving you a specific instance where the media reported numbers are not based on reality and instead "guesstimated"

i just noticed a quote from this thread "just tell me what you know as FACT..not hypothetical, unproven wishing."  guess who authored that quote (post 31).  how can you sit here and say the medias reporting is fact and not hypothetical unproven wishing when they merely prorated the # of delegates based on the popular vote when you admit to knowing that is not how delegates are awarded?

im done with this thread, its obvious you have problems.  seems like you should have just watched the 10 min video and sparred yourself the hour spent afterwards on this thread.

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Posted: 2/15/2012 5:04:14 PM
I already addressed that, I said I occasionally view online sources..so how would I know what Nevada is doing if I did not actively follow what is going on in your state?
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Posted: 2/15/2012 6:49:30 PM
It won't be true til the TV says so. Like WMD. 

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QUOTE Originally Posted by rick3117:

It won't be true til the TV says so. Like WMD. 


Yeah good one rick, that is exactly what I meant..

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QUOTE Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

I already addressed that, I said I occasionally view online sources..so how would I know what Nevada is doing if I did not actively follow what is going on in your state?


i didnt think it was possible for you to make yourself look even dumber but here you are.

if you dont know what is going on in NV, a border state of AZ, how can you know what is going on in states across the country, and how can you say 1 reported delegate count is right and 1 is inaccurate?????  riddle me that one.

dont you find the irony that you admit you have no knowledge of the caucuses in the various states, yet you blindly follow the medias report of delegates earned while you have previously stated "I find humor in dismissing every other estimate out there and just blindly accepting another estimate... " (post 66).

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Posted: 2/15/2012 10:32:53 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by jinvegas:



i didnt think it was possible for you to make yourself look even dumber but here you are.

if you dont know what is going on in NV, a border state of AZ, how can you know what is going on in states across the country, and how can you say 1 reported delegate count is right and 1 is inaccurate?????  riddle me that one.

dont you find the irony that you admit you have no knowledge of the caucuses in the various states, yet you blindly follow the medias report of delegates earned while you have previously stated "I find humor in dismissing every other estimate out there and just blindly accepting another estimate... " (post 66).


You are correct, I really have zero idea what is going on in Nevada. I dont travel there, I dont do business there, I really dont know many people living there..so why again would I be concerned about the Nevada delegate process?

That said..where did I say that one delegate process is correct and one is incorrect? You are drawing faulty conclusions again based on zero actual posted content from me.

I said..for the X time that I questioned the "boots on the ground" numbers that koaj was tossing around, I also said that the numbers that the folks down at RP central were throwing around were unfounded and goes against what EVERY other source I saw that was not from the RP camp had. Now show me where I said one count was correct and one was incorrect? I asked for more than "rumor has it, boots on the ground, some guy taking a poll in Maine" blah blah blah..more concrete information than conjecture and hope. 

So where again did I say one method of calculation was right and one was inaccurate? I questioned the rumor count vs every other source not affilated with RP had come up with.

Then I highly suggested several times if this rumored source was accurate, why the hell wasnt everyone (you included) lining up for a payday? There is a HUGE opportunity to make out with this inside info..if I trusted the source and knew this, for SURE I would be taking advantage.

So where again did I say that one source was more accurate? I only ever wanted more than "rumor has it" to throw out an obscenely different number than ANYWHERE reported.

Sounds like its time for you to throw out a few more insults..

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EAST MACHIAS, Maine 02/18/12-- Ron Paul has gained 83 votes on Mitt Romney following a Republican presidential caucus in eastern Maine, where voting last week had been postponed due to bad weather. Romney still holds a 156-vote lead over Paul in statewide totals.

Paul received 163 votes in Saturday's Washington County caucus, where Republicans from more than two dozen towns gathered to cast their votes. Romney received 80 votes. Rick Santorum got 57 votes and Newt Gingrich received four votes.

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Posted: 2/22/2012 11:53:46 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:


You are correct, I really have zero idea what is going on in Nevada. I dont travel there, I dont do business there, I really dont know many people living there..so why again would I be concerned about the Nevada delegate process?

That said..where did I say that one delegate process is correct and one is incorrect? You are drawing faulty conclusions again based on zero actual posted content from me.

I said..for the X time that I questioned the "boots on the ground" numbers that koaj was tossing around, I also said that the numbers that the folks down at RP central were throwing around were unfounded and goes against what EVERY other source I saw that was not from the RP camp had. Now show me where I said one count was correct and one was incorrect? I asked for more than "rumor has it, boots on the ground, some guy taking a poll in Maine" blah blah blah..more concrete information than conjecture and hope. 

So where again did I say one method of calculation was right and one was inaccurate? I questioned the rumor count vs every other source not affilated with RP had come up with.

Then I highly suggested several times if this rumored source was accurate, why the hell wasnt everyone (you included) lining up for a payday? There is a HUGE opportunity to make out with this inside info..if I trusted the source and knew this, for SURE I would be taking advantage.

So where again did I say that one source was more accurate? I only ever wanted more than "rumor has it" to throw out an obscenely different number than ANYWHERE reported.

Sounds like its time for you to throw out a few more insults..



i dont know why i bother, but one last time

lets get this straight, earlier in the thread you said you were aware on how caucuses work but now when your ideology has been proven wrong, you suddenly dont know how NV works.  got it

you say you question the delegate count from RP supporters, and cite the delegate count from the media (post 35).  logically (something that eludes many on here) there can only be 1 right delegate count and if you believe in one count, like you believe in the medias delegate count, you must believe any other count is wrong, like you dont believe RP supporters delegate count.

now lets move on to the state of NV.  anyone with a 4th grade math education can clearly see the media merely prorated the popular vote in order to come up with their delegate count, even though that is not how delegates are chosen in caucuses.  the odds of the actual delegate count being what the media is reporting in NV is roughly 1/500,000. furthermore, i know someone who is a delegate and he told me the vote from clark county and its vastly different from what the media is reporting, he told me RP got 8 delegates from clark county alone while the media is reporting RP got 8 delegates total statewide.

ive already invalidated your betting thoery, just reread past posts to understand why and where you went wrong, so i dont know why you insist on keep making that "argument"

if you comprehend nothing from this post (history shows this a strong likelihood), just answer me one thing, yes or no, given that delegates arent awarded based on the popular vote in the NV caucus, do you think the actual delegates in NV are the same or different than the medias reporting which merely prorates the popular vote?
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i know someone who is a delegate and he told me the vote from clark county and its vastly different from what the media is reporting, he told me RP got 8 delegates from clark county alone while the media is reporting RP got 8 delegates total statewide.
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Lies?

No..

Verified numbers?

No..

So J knows someone who knows someone..that is about as legit as speculation from a tabloid.

You are correct about supporter propaganda though, RP's boots on the ground is leading the race of spreading unverified rumors and poll figures that never materialize.

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QUOTE Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

Lies?

No..

Verified numbers?

No..

So J knows someone who knows someone..that is about as legit as speculation from a tabloid.

You are correct about supporter propaganda though, RP's boots on the ground is leading the race of spreading unverified rumors and poll figures that never materialize.


This

It seems the only people suggesting RP is doing well are his traditional supporters and reports from his camp themselves...

Still, BOL to RP vs. the vest 
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Originally Posted by KOAJ:

i know someone who is a delegate and he told me the vote from clark county and its vastly different from what the media is reporting, he told me RP got 8 delegates from clark county alone while the media is reporting RP got 8 delegates total statewide.
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When delegates are tallied, the information goes to the GOP Party in that state, who then provides it to the media.

If anyone is to blame, look within the ranks of the GOP Party (or the Dems).

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QUOTE Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

Lies?

No..

Verified numbers?

No..

So J knows someone who knows someone..that is about as legit as speculation from a tabloid.

You are correct about supporter propaganda though, RP's boots on the ground is leading the race of spreading unverified rumors and poll figures that never materialize.



just as i expected, spin and deflection and a complete avoidance of the issue.

way to stay true to your form wallstreet, id expect nothing less from your self absorbed egotistical self.

and btw, you cant even get your spin correct, i know someone who is a delegate, not i know someone who knows someone.... geez, 5 yo olds can spit more garbage than you.

let me ask you for about the 10th time in this thread

if you comprehend nothing from this post (history shows this a strong likelihood), just answer me one thing, yes or no, given that delegates arent awarded based on the popular vote in the NV caucus, do you think the actual delegates in NV are the same or different than the medias reporting which merely prorates the popular vote?
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QUOTE Originally Posted by djbrow:

When delegates are tallied, the information goes to the GOP Party in that state, who then provides it to the media.

If anyone is to blame, look within the ranks of the GOP Party (or the Dems).



agreed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=vgCEZwrc1o8

John King admits on air last night that RP is 2nd in delegates. Not sure how he has any concrete info other than what i or jinvegas or the AP has
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J,

You seriously need to get a grip on the temper buddy.

The question you ask is subjective..how can I answer yes or no to a question which is unknown?

Seriously..you cannot force someone to answer yes or no when neither are the verifiable answer.

The delegate count MIGHT be the very same, it might not. Why dont we wait until the convention to answer a question which we dont know the answer to at this point?

My comment (which you took the liberty to change) was that I do not live in Nevada, I dont follow politics in Nevada..that does not mean I do not understand the process, rather that I dont know the current political climate in Nevada..there is a huge difference in what you are inferring and what I actually said.

Funny how you take liberties to take what someone says and turn it into a completely different result.
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<<Funny how you take liberties to take what someone says and turn it into a completely different result.>>
 
This is the sort of thing that djbrow loves to do as well.
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