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#26 Posted: 3/29/2012 8:00:33 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by earthWake:
Holy garbage - I'm not getting into a damn race war every single day on covers. This is my last comment on this subject and I've discussed it many times. I don't know all the facts, and neither do you, but this is what we do know and what the EVIDENCE points to.
1 - The man who shot Trayvon was charged with assault on a police officer, and domestic abuse twice. Whether he was guilty of those charges or not, the allegations alone should make it illegal for him to carry a weapon.
2 - He was following Trayvon when the 911 operator said he shouldn't be.
3 - Zimmerman claims the teen attacked him, yet several videos have surfaced where Zimmerman has absolutely no visible injuries.
4 - Anyone with two ears can hear Zimmerman say "friggin Co*n'' under his breath.
5 - Zimmerman SHOT AND KILLED an unarmed kid.
Everything I mentioned above CANNOT be disputed, (other than the fact he might not have said Co*n)
What EVIDENCE...(key word evidence) do you have, other than Zimmerman's word that Trayvon attacked him?
I'm done discussing this, I stated my side (Or as you would say 'I stated my ridiculous side) - Now lets hear yours 
This an certainly be disputed. You are for taking away rights based on allegations?
Anyone can allege anything. You start taking rights away based on those allegations, innocent peoples lives will be ruined.
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#27 Posted: 3/30/2012 11:02:11 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by squinta1:
This an certainly be disputed. You are for taking away rights based on allegations?
Anyone can allege anything. You start taking rights away based on those allegations, innocent peoples lives will be ruined.
 Couldn't agree more. I was going to say the same exact thing.
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#28 Posted: 3/30/2012 11:08:21 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by earthWake: I cant imagine why an open and shut case wouldn't get the same attention as a case where the police screwed up and the killer most likely won't be punished.
Exactly. People are so stupid. It isn't so much a white kid killed a black kid, it's the circumstances and how it was handled. |
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#29 Posted: 3/30/2012 11:14:05 AM I'd like to see what would happen if a black guy killed a white guy, and all of white America protested, and wore box behind Negro shirts |
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#30 Posted: 3/30/2012 11:17:47 AM Holy garbage - I'm not getting into a damn race war every single day on covers. This is my last comment on this subject and I've discussed it many times. I don't know all the facts, and neither do you, but this is what we do know and what the EVIDENCE points to.
1 - The man who shot Trayvon was charged with assault on a police officer, and domestic abuse twice. Whether he was guilty of those charges or not, the allegations alone should make it illegal for him to carry a weapon.
This is complete BS. You really want to live in a country where allegations are enough to take away your rights? What if you were alleged to have sexually abused your kid based on a vindictive neighbor who reported you? You are exonerated. Does that mean you can no longer be with your child alone? You need to re-think this one, my friend. 
3 - Zimmerman claims the teen attacked him, yet several videos have surfaced where Zimmerman has absolutely no visible injuries.
You deduct this from fuzzy videos. Why not wait for the medical report before you start assuming?
4 - Anyone with two ears can hear Zimmerman say "friggin Co*n'' under his breath.
It certainly sounds like it, but if I had to testify in court, I don't think I could say I am 100% sure. And it sounds like the experts are saying that as well, but we may see.
5 - Zimmerman SHOT AND KILLED an unarmed kid.
This is legal if you reasonably believe your life is in danger or you are in danger of great bodily harm. The question is, was he? I will wait for the medical report re. his injuries before I form an opinion (rather than assume based on a crappy video).
Everything I mentioned above CANNOT be disputed, (other than the fact he might not have said Co*n)
The only thing that really can't be disputed is the fact that he shot an unarmed kid. But then again, that was never really being disputed, now was it?
What EVIDENCE...(key word evidence) do you have, other than Zimmerman's word that Trayvon attacked him?
If a trial comes about, it's the PROSECUTION who has to prove their case, not Zimmerman. Remember that innocent until PROVEN guilty part of our legal system?
I'm done discussing this, I stated my side (Or as you would say 'I stated my ridiculous side) - Now lets hear yours |
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#31 Posted: 3/30/2012 11:23:52 AM I don't know all the facts, and neither do you, but this is what we do know and what the EVIDENCE points to. _____________
When you really think about it, the only "evidence" you bring up is the potential "co*n" comment (which you state could be disputed) and the fact that it's hard to see any injuries on a couple of fuzzy videos. The other items are more statement of facts...a charge that was dropped....whoopie!....and the fact that he shot an unarmed kid (which isn't being disputed anyway).
I'd love to be a defense attorney if you were the prosecutor. 
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#32 Posted: 3/30/2012 11:27:42 AM And I'm not saying I would even say I would believe him 100% if he says this. But it's about reasonable doubt here folks.
As a very wise person once said: "It doesn't matter what I believe, it only matters what I can prove."
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#33 Posted: 3/30/2012 11:30:38 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by crod1980:
Here is a story the the media never jumped on, I wonder why?
Perhaps because he was properly arrested, tried and convicted? The media tends to jump more on stories of injustice (perceived or real). The justice system working happens thousands of times every day.
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#34 Posted: 3/30/2012 4:22:45 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by HutchEmAll: I don't know all the facts, and neither do you, but this is what we do know and what the EVIDENCE points to. _____________
When you really think about it, the only "evidence" you bring up is the potential "co*n" comment (which you state could be disputed) and the fact that it's hard to see any injuries on a couple of fuzzy videos. The other items are more statement of facts...a charge that was dropped....whoopie!....and the fact that he shot an unarmed kid (which isn't being disputed anyway).
I'd love to be a defense attorney if you were the prosecutor.
If I was the prosecutor in the case, Zimmerman would be in jail for life.  |
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#35 Posted: 3/30/2012 4:34:47 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by earthWake:
If I was the prosecutor in the case, Zimmerman would be in jail for life.
Considering you don't even know how to define "evidence," I'm quite certain you are mistaken.
Judge: "Prosecutor earthWake, can you please provide the jury evidence as to why George Zimmerman should be convicted?"
earthWake: "He shot an unarmed man!!"
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#36 Posted: 3/30/2012 4:34:58 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:
1 - The man who shot Trayvon was charged with assault on a police officer, and domestic abuse twice. Whether he was guilty of those charges or not, the allegations alone should make it illegal for him to carry a weapon.
This is complete BS. You really want to live in a country where allegations are enough to take away your rights? What if you were alleged to have sexually abused your kid based on a vindictive neighbor who reported you? You are exonerated. Does that mean you can no longer be with your child alone? You need to re-think this one, my friend.
3 - Zimmerman claims the teen attacked him, yet several videos have surfaced where Zimmerman has absolutely no visible injuries.
You deduct this from fuzzy videos. Why not wait for the medical report before you start assuming?
4 - Anyone with two ears can hear Zimmerman say "friggin Co*n'' under his breath.
It certainly sounds like it, but if I had to testify in court, I don't think I could say I am 100% sure. And it sounds like the experts are saying that as well, but we may see.
5 - Zimmerman SHOT AND KILLED an unarmed kid.
This is legal if you reasonably believe your life is in danger or you are in danger of great bodily harm. The question is, was he? I will wait for the medical report re. his injuries before I form an opinion (rather than assume based on a crappy video).
Everything I mentioned above CANNOT be disputed, (other than the fact he might not have said Co*n)
The only thing that really can't be disputed is the fact that he shot an unarmed kid. But then again, that was never really being disputed, now was it?
1 - I'd prove the allegations were in fact valid, and the only reason Zimmerman got off with it is because who his Daddy is.
2 - You conveniently left out of your post the part about the 911 operator telling him that he shouldn't be following the kid. I'd make this a point of emphasis.
3 - I didn't deduct this from a grainy video. I have seen numerous angles and have two eyes. I would also make sure the guys who gave the interview or people first on the scene saw that Zimmerman had no injuries before I swore them in as witnesses.
4 - Exactly, I am not 100% sure either. However I would find the best audio guy in the business that agrees with me, get him to blow the sound up tp the best quality possible, and let the jury decide for themselves. I believe this could only HELP the case, and certainly not hurt.
5 - I would give some dramatic re-creation of how the events unfolded, and how Zimmerman following the teen was the reason all of this happen. If he provoked the incident, which I could most likley prove with the 911 call and the witness Trayvon was talking to at the time of the event (his girlfriend) I would stress how Trayvon was not the aggressor and if Zimmerman never initiated contact, this whole incident would have been avoided and Trayvon would still be alive (as I pound on the desk and yell TRAYVON WOULD STILL BE ALIVE as I stare directly at Zimmerman)
X factor - Try my hardest to make sure there are atleast a few African Americans on the jury.
Conclusion - I would win this case, I am pretty sure about that. Still wanna be the defense attorney? |
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#37 Posted: 3/30/2012 4:45:15 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by depeche2:
Perhaps because he was properly arrested, tried and convicted? The media tends to jump more on stories of injustice (perceived or real). The justice system working happens thousands of times every day.
If George Zmmerman was a 28 year old Black man, no one outside of his family and friends ever hears about Trayvon Martin being shot.
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#38 Posted: 3/30/2012 4:47:26 PM |
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#39 Posted: 3/30/2012 4:55:52 PM
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#40 Posted: 3/30/2012 5:04:09 PM
Just like all of this information about Trayvon's history. If not for the media beating this story to death, no one is going probing deep into Trayvon's past and exposing his suspicious behaviors.
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#41 Posted: 3/30/2012 5:24:35 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by crod1980:
Justice is botched every single day in this country against everyone from all races and creeds, and far worse than in this case. tThis entire issue has been about the Race of the shooter and the Race of the victim. It has been that way from Day 1, and the Media is to blame.
Just like all of this information about Trayvon's history. If not for the media beating this story to death, no one is going probing deep into Trayvon's past and exposing his suspicious behaviors.
Well media obviously got what they want if you can't go 5 minutes without talking about it. |
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