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#26 Posted: 3/30/2012 2:16:22 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by Polar_Bear: It's not the same without me is it..... 
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#27 Posted: 3/30/2012 2:26:41 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by JTFinn:
Fleury was arguably the most important player when they were runnerup to the Wings and beat the Wings during those Cup runs.
Ya he was the MVP during their Cup loss. I'll give you that.
What's the Pens record without Letang?
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#28 Posted: 3/30/2012 3:34:45 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by I-Got-5-On-It:
It was more of an ''overs'' money train 
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#29 Posted: 3/30/2012 3:41:00 PM  |
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#30 Posted: 3/30/2012 4:01:35 PM This is from old article. Can add atleast 0-2 to record. look at record without Letang and when Fleury does not play and those 2 are arguably most valuable to lineup. Losing 1 of 3 top centers is not a devastating to this current roster.
Letang may be the most valuable skater, if not the most irreplaceable, on the team. The Penguins have a .688 winning percentage with Letang in the lineup (23-14-3), a number which dropped much, much lower (11-7-2, .611 win percentage) in the 23 games he missed. Letang was out for each match in the six-game losing streak suffered in late December and early January.
As far as goalie, Pens without Fleury is a no brainer. Makes me cry to print record. Biron 12-7-2? King is good but he is most valauable to his team? They are a playoff team with Biron IMO. |
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#31 Posted: 3/30/2012 4:47:21 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by JTFinn: This is from old article. Can add atleast 0-2 to record. look at record without Letang and when Fleury does not play and those 2 are arguably most valuable to lineup. Losing 1 of 3 top centers is not a devastating to this current roster.
Letang may be the most valuable skater, if not the most irreplaceable, on the team. The Penguins have a .688 winning percentage with Letang in the lineup (23-14-3), a number which dropped much, much lower (11-7-2, .611 win percentage) in the 23 games he missed. Letang was out for each match in the six-game losing streak suffered in late December and early January.
As far as goalie, Pens without Fleury is a no brainer. Makes me cry to print record. Biron 12-7-2? King is good but he is most valauable to his team? They are a playoff team with Biron IMO.
#1 D's like Letang are irreplaceable. He is a top 5 dman IMO in the league.
You guys went through a similar thing when Gonchar was out 3 years ago right? Not even in a playoff spot, then you hired Blysma and took off, which I believe coincided with Gonchar coming back.
Montreal had a shitty record without Markov for a while until PK came along last year. This year Habs just had no defensive depth. Puck moving dmen are so valuable.
As for Rangers being a playoff team with Biron I completely disagree. He has a winning record but look at the discrepancy in the save %. Lundqvist has .932, that makes a .16% difference and they both play for the same team thus the same system.
Clearly, we seem to disagree on what stat to look at for goalies. Wins IMO are completely team oriented. GAA is all about the team and system. Save % to me, is most indicative of the goalie. Everyone is different though.
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#32 Posted: 3/30/2012 7:32:30 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by wiggins:
Because of his entire career.
You think Miller sucks yet his career numbers are much better than Fleury.
You think Miller chokes yet his playoff numbers are better than Fleury.
People say Price sucks in playoffs and his save % is 0.30 away from Fleury.
The kid gives up the most weak goals out of any goalie in the league.
Ill take the guy thats been to 2 finals and won a Stanley cup over the guy that hasnt.
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#33 Posted: 3/30/2012 7:52:27 PM
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#34 Posted: 3/30/2012 10:09:27 PM |
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#35 Posted: 3/30/2012 10:17:20 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by wiggins:
#1 D's like Letang are irreplaceable. He is a top 5 dman IMO in the league.
You guys went through a similar thing when Gonchar was out 3 years ago right? Not even in a playoff spot, then you hired Blysma and took off, which I believe coincided with Gonchar coming back.
Montreal had a shitty record without Markov for a while until PK came along last year. This year Habs just had no defensive depth. Puck moving dmen are so valuable.
As for Rangers being a playoff team with Biron I completely disagree. He has a winning record but look at the discrepancy in the save %. Lundqvist has .932, that makes a .16% difference and they both play for the same team thus the same system.
Clearly, we seem to disagree on what stat to look at for goalies. Wins IMO are completely team oriented. GAA is all about the team and system. Save % to me, is most indicative of the goalie. Everyone is different though.
Allow me to add to this that backup netminders stats are often skewed anyway, as they are usually playing in the weaker games and not in those marquee matchups so it is not even fair to compare Birons record to Lundquvists, it is irrelevant.
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#36 Posted: 3/30/2012 10:17:48 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by wiggins:
Team achievement = Greatness
Playing on a bad team = something wrong with you
Isn't that logic a bit faulty in your eyes?
Just like my Luongo bashing from last years playoffs. They were winning despite him, not because of him.
Could not agree more Wiggins.
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#37 Posted: 3/30/2012 10:39:31 PM |
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#38 Posted: 3/30/2012 10:47:44 PM
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#39 Posted: 3/30/2012 10:50:42 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by Polar_Bear:
Actually in that game 7 against my Flyers the shots after two periods were 28-14 for Philly, which does not count 3 or 4 goalposts as Miller got blitzed behind his helpless Sabres. Millers team in front of him was so feeble they could not score a goal on the "team with no goalie" until 6 1/2 minutes into the final period after the Flyers had gotten over 30 shots on Miller and the score was 4-0. Philly backed off or Millers team never would have scored at all.
Exactly. Simply saying he got beat against a team with "no goalie" is flat out silly. Yes, that's a true statement but he got beat because the defense in front of him was flat out awful and they were playing a team that was lightyears superior to them. The fact he forced a game 7 in that series with nothing short of remarkable on its own.
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#40 Posted: 3/31/2012 3:24:12 AM |
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#41 Posted: 3/31/2012 8:23:42 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by KVEGAS:
Let's be serious. Fleury is a middle of the pack goalie. Each and every one of us (including pens fans) would take a handful of goalies to build a team with on a 1 year run with (eliminating age questions) before we picked Flower.
That is why you and "everyone else" is not a GM of a winning team and thankfully not GM of the Pens. Middle of the pack goalie is such a stupid statement I should not even comment.
If you Fleury haters actually believe you could put half of the goalies in the league on the Pens this season and they would have won more games and been statistically better you are pure stupid.
Somebody please tell me you do not believe the "King" would have a 940 save pct with the Pens. No one would. Put Fleury on the Rangers or Blues and his "stats" would be better but does that make him a better goalie because of it? You cannot compare stats between teams that play completely different styles.
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#42 Posted: 3/31/2012 8:28:10 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by wiggins:
#1 D's like Letang are irreplaceable. He is a top 5 dman IMO in the league.
You guys went through a similar thing when Gonchar was out 3 years ago right? Not even in a playoff spot, then you hired Blysma and took off, which I believe coincided with Gonchar coming back.
Montreal had a shitty record without Markov for a while until PK came along last year. This year Habs just had no defensive depth. Puck moving dmen are so valuable.
As for Rangers being a playoff team with Biron I completely disagree. He has a winning record but look at the discrepancy in the save %. Lundqvist has .932, that makes a .16% difference and they both play for the same team thus the same system.
Clearly, we seem to disagree on what stat to look at for goalies. Wins IMO are completely team oriented. GAA is all about the team and system. Save % to me, is most indicative of the goalie. Everyone is different though.
I look at all stats and more importntly how thay may perform when needed in a big game. Save % is also indicitve of team & system. Who faces more odd man rushes Fleury or King? Quality of shot on goal against based on style has no effect on save %? I guess we will disagree. |
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