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#76
Posted: 10/8/2012 2:24:23 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by aznsidez:

It's only a fix when you lose...

Not exactly true,  in a sense it is,  you bet Aaa. And Bbb  wins, 
You bet Bbb and Aaa wins, so don't bet at all then. There are better things to do with that money,

As an example I own minimum 4000 shares  AAPL  from Apple Co.   When I first bought two years ago it was at $ 36.75  a share, now it is worth $639.5 a shares.  Do the math. 

Purchase value $ 147,000.00,  
Current vaue. $ 2,558,000.00

Gain $2,411,000.00

I bought this stocks before sales of iPhone 3G , and even the iPad , because of the craziness in computing tablets and smart phones, that is why you invested in technology, just think of how many iPad or iPhone apple has sold from a two year period?  And also with Samsung stocks, just think how many galaxy s3 phones and LCD tv are sold world wide? You are a stock holder and own shares of the company, that means whatever sales is made, you get a share of that money. And world wide too. 
But I wish you all good luck on your money and investment,
Other words invest wisely. Because money does not grow on trees, and doesn't come by easy too.

One word of advice, solar energy is the technology of the future investments, so start when young, and when it matures you have yourself to be thankful, for.  It beats unemployment, pension funds, and do not have to reach 65 years old to retire and to collect pension, 


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Posted: 10/8/2012 2:27:52 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by PrimeTimeBoys:

The fix is in, let the party begin......................just better be on the right side 

  

That is all that matters, be on the right side, and there is no complaint,
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Posted: 10/8/2012 2:31:36 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by thawv:

At the end of the day, where there's money, there's corruption.  Plain and simple.  If you can bet on it, the outcome is going to be influenced by someone or something other than what you are betting on.

The is no way in the world that the folks that have to pay out for losing, is going to allow the outcome be decided by chance.  It's just not realistic. 

        

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Posted: 10/8/2012 2:51:16 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by c_had38:

Any "fixing" done by actual players on the field is EXTREMELY rare. Most of the games that appear fixed look that way because professional linesmakers have their fingers on the pulse of public opinion & know how to capitalize when it's wrong.When a line seems way off or obviously wrong, it isn't because they're stupid. I do believe that the leagues, the NFL in particular, have their own agendas and/or preferred outcomes. I certainly don't feel that commisioners are above exerting a certain ammount of influence over refs to steer games towards these outcomes. But in my humble opinion, outright fixing happens very rarely.

I give you credit for that, Any "fixing" done by actual players on the field is EXTREMELY rare. Even for the refs, it is what the head coaches are ordered for their players to do in the end. The players are just employees, what the coaches says is what counts, take MLB for example, certain batters do not have the green light, to bat, and certain pitcher too, they all awaits the coaches instructions as to what to do in that moment. And if you do not do exactly as said, you get fined for that.  Let say the coach ordered the batter to bunt, but you execute a hit in the outfield, you still get fined for that action, and so on,,,,,

Vegas is always right about the half point in the spread or score,
Although the half point it to break the tie, but do not tell me or any one else that has lost by half point, game after game,  Week after week, even year after year, they can forecast all college football games on Saturday and Sunday, nfl nba, at the same time to be most and so precise by that half point with all those games going on. 

Don't mention MLS, soccer, the easiest way is to let the team draw, and your done.

If that is the case I like to join that band wagon, to wherever it treks.


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Posted: 10/8/2012 3:04:32 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by bunny651:

A simple question: For those who believe in "fixes" and even have "examples" to go with it, wouldn't they be all rich by now or is it just a justicfication AFTER the fact? I don't mean any disrespect since I do think it looks fishy sometimes but I do think it's a fair question.

In my opinion not just rich, just to protect the books, that is why we never ever hear a book has gone bankrupt , even though they receive a percentage of the earnings, 

If china has minimum 6 billion in population, and I ask of only a dollar from each person then I have 6 billion dollars and if I were to use it on a bet let say tonight Texan vs Jets,  chances are they reject the bet, because it is too big, and chances are they accept it, but the game must be in their favor, because they face bankruptcy , And I guarantee that the bettor if winning, will probably own that bookie, after that. 6 billion is a lot of greens, Most likely it will never happen,
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Posted: 10/8/2012 3:15:01 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by fras:


Not exactly true,  in a sense it is,  you bet Aaa. And Bbb  wins, 
You bet Bbb and Aaa wins, so don't bet at all then. There are better things to do with that money,

As an example I own minimum 4000 shares  AAPL  from Apple Co.   When I first bought two years ago it was at $ 36.75  a share, now it is worth $639.5 a shares.  Do the math. 

Purchase value $ 147,000.00,  
Current vaue. $ 2,558,000.00

Gain $2,411,000.00

I bought this stocks before sales of iPhone 3G , and even the iPad , because of the craziness in computing tablets and smart phones, that is why you invested in technology, just think of how many iPad or iPhone apple has sold from a two year period?  And also with Samsung stocks, just think how many galaxy s3 phones and LCD tv are sold world wide? You are a stock holder and own shares of the company, that means whatever sales is made, you get a share of that money. And world wide too. 
But I wish you all good luck on your money and investment,
Other words invest wisely. Because money does not grow on trees, and doesn't come by easy too.

One word of advice, solar energy is the technology of the future investments, so start when young, and when it matures you have yourself to be thankful, for.  It beats unemployment, pension funds, and do not have to reach 65 years old to retire and to collect pension, 





I sold shares of Apple 13 years ago before the Iphone became huge....I will never forgive myself for that one lol
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Posted: 10/8/2012 3:30:52 PM
fixed or not fixed, who really gives a darn....if you think you are smarter then an odds maker and can be that good at predicting outcomes get used to eating off the dollar menu..the bottom line is there are two outcomes to each bet, you gotta pick one of them, sometimes the "fix" will help you and other times it will hurt you!! the few, and very few people that have made a longterm profit off of any type of gambling know one thing, the most important thing in gambling, MONEY MANAGEMENT!!! 
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Posted: 10/8/2012 3:50:09 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by RazorSharps:




I sold shares of Apple 13 years ago before the Iphone became huge....I will never forgive myself for that one lol

By that time I had a huge mortgage investments , and I was limited, 

Wouldn't it be nice if we had that 13 years ago, imagine by now what it would be like?  As it is never too late to start again that is why I mentioned, the solar energy , the best part is to start with building new houses with solar panels, and soon to follow are the homes already exist and  build to date,  imagine driving in your neighborhood and  all the houses you see one day they opt to install solar panels, too, imagine getting a piece of the cake, not only does it save the household on electric bills, but in case of disaster, and there is no power supply, you still have the option of the power supply from your own solar panels, not to mention you own iPhone, laptops etc, that needs to be charged,? There you have saved yourself from despair,
After a disaster  the sun is the one that always comes up anyway,

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Posted: 10/8/2012 4:01:02 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by PhantomFlag:

Not sure a "degenerate" has to bet the game tonite Mafioso, alot of us enjoy a Monday night "play" for 50 bucks and a bowl of popcorn.  I enjoy your posts of facts, wisdom and confidence.  But you yourself "Wolf" like to look down at most of us in here, as you stand on the rock.  As confident as you are in tainted sports, there are just as many that look at you as the crackpot, but then we are the "sheep".   Thye are two sides to everything Wolf, Romney or Obama, Sports Fixed or not, Man landed on the moon?  Oswald acted alone?  I am a conspracy theorist, I do think the NFL is a manipulated script week to week, and the Refs are the Directors.  That Saints game was the most obvious, it was Saints night on national TV, with the whole family there to be showcased and NFL to make good for bounty sentence, fans to be showcased along with Poster Boy Brees.  That is how the league is rigged, Saints were not going to lose on Saints night, and I regret not seeing it clearly before the game.     

You have me figured out all wrong,
I look down on no one, Im not better than anyone.
It was more of a retaliation post and a preemptive strike on those who want to only there flawed views heard or in this case shown.
They have not one shred of proof that everything is on the up and up, Yet they are as sure as there mom never fucked anyone but there daddy.
It pisses me off to be in the minority and the only reason Im in the minority is because most people are IMBECILES
they are, I dont care how you slice it, its the truth.
They are incapable of having an original thought, always the follower, always looking for someone to lead, what the darn, were Americans, were a superpower, Oh yeah, the reason we are a superpower is because the wolves all have the sheep inline.
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Posted: 10/8/2012 4:03:56 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Hockeyjock:

I would like to know who in here believes that the NFL is fixed or at least some games are fixed?  If so, who fixes them and how do they do it?  I would love to hear all of the theories that people have.  



Of course they do. If it not fix how are the owner of the team pay for their players with million. I don't think, just selling team merchandise and ticket selling will be enough for the overhead cost. Their referee are the main tool for the league.When we understand this concept then we have better understanding which team to bet on. So its all good with me...Everything is fixed, including the politicians.
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Posted: 10/8/2012 4:12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by thekid37:

fixed or not fixed, who really gives a darn....if you think you are smarter then an odds maker and can be that good at predicting outcomes get used to eating off the dollar menu..the bottom line is there are two outcomes to each bet, you gotta pick one of them, sometimes the "fix" will help you and other times it will hurt you!! the few, and very few people that have made a longterm profit off of any type of gambling know one thing, the most important thing in gambling, MONEY MANAGEMENT!!! 

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Posted: 10/8/2012 4:37:40 PM
 don't think there is a conspiracy here,

  but i do believe an official can throw a holding flag so easy on any play that if any games are fixed,

if  a game is  fixed , its done by a single individual official for his own personal gain.  

,usually not to make a team win or lose, but a flag at the right time line will affect ATS results 

.,  last nights Saints chargers game penalty  calls against New Orleans were not called ,and every penalty against the chargers , and some very questionable were called late , and it did affect who won and lost .

you can't tell me it don't happen , we know for a fact it happened in the NBA with Tim Donaghy 
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Posted: 10/8/2012 6:07:50 PM

Tim Donaghy did NOT, I REPEAT IDIOTS, DID NOT go to jail for fixing games. You clowns use his name all the time as proof to your dumb behind fixing theories and your facts are 100% dead friggin wrong. Wow what a surprise

 

Im not sure whats stupider, the the guys here who think all the leagues are fixed, or the fact they think that and still bet and watch it

 

Just braindead friggin morons

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Posted: 10/8/2012 6:24:51 PM
Mafiso I agree with you 100%.especially the point spreads.Nothing is honest.just like the ref. in the NBA,you mean to tell me he was the only one who was bad?one arrest and case closed come on?Lets see tonights game on NFL.Jets vs. Texans. jets best defender D.Rivis out.Receiver S.Holmes out who else do they have?Points should be high but watch an under.Goodluck to all.Just like voting public vote dont count Electorial vote decides.
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Posted: 10/8/2012 6:51:51 PM
When there is sooo much money involved your damn skippy some games are influenced to go a certain way. There is a reason teams cannot question the refs in press conferences and interviews without a large fine. Back up refs non union and a tin of garbage talking
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Posted: 10/8/2012 8:16:56 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by fras:


Not exactly true,  in a sense it is,  you bet Aaa. And Bbb  wins, 
You bet Bbb and Aaa wins, so don't bet at all then. There are better things to do with that money,

As an example I own minimum 4000 shares  AAPL  from Apple Co.   When I first bought two years ago it was at $ 36.75  a share, now it is worth $639.5 a shares.  Do the math. 

Purchase value $ 147,000.00,  
Current vaue. $ 2,558,000.00

Gain $2,411,000.00

I bought this stocks before sales of iPhone 3G , and even the iPad , because of the craziness in computing tablets and smart phones, that is why you invested in technology, just think of how many iPad or iPhone apple has sold from a two year period?  And also with Samsung stocks, just think how many galaxy s3 phones and LCD tv are sold world wide? You are a stock holder and own shares of the company, that means whatever sales is made, you get a share of that money. And world wide too. 
But I wish you all good luck on your money and investment,
Other words invest wisely. Because money does not grow on trees, and doesn't come by easy too.

One word of advice, solar energy is the technology of the future investments, so start when young, and when it matures you have yourself to be thankful, for.  It beats unemployment, pension funds, and do not have to reach 65 years old to retire and to collect pension, 



Apple was nowhere near $36.75 a share 2 years ago.  
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Posted: 10/8/2012 8:53:52 PM

Thanks to everyone who stopped in and posted their ideas and comments.  The truth is(IMO); gambling is always going to be a risk, any team can win, injuries and bad calls will effect the outcome of a game as will the occassional douchebag who decides to pocket some money or gets threatened to do something to change the outcome of a game. There has been and will continue to be corruption within pro sports, I just hope that it becomes less and less over time.  Is it gloing to stop me from gambling?  No, but it will make me manage my money a lot better and look for good spots to try and make a buck...I wish everyone good luck!

 

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Posted: 10/8/2012 9:12:11 PM
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You are class!

Am a backwards running world champion
I hate sheep people to0!
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Posted: 10/8/2012 9:16:37 PM
That made a lot of sense mp chino
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Posted: 10/8/2012 10:13:49 PM

i am not here to speak about if sports are fixed, but on this point.

you all have a grave misunderstanding of how easy it is to blackmail someone.  all you need do is let them know you have information about them that they absolutely do not want anyone to know about--hit-n-run accident, pedophilia, asian hooker junket, murder, wife beating, etc. 

the blackmailer does not need to threaten the victim or even make face-to-face or phone contact in order to make it known he has such info and how the victim can prevent this knowledge from becoming public.  it is very simple and very effective.

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Posted: 10/9/2012 12:29:31 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Drizle:


Apple was nowhere near $36.75 a share 2 years ago.  

, it was actually Shares traded above $200 for the first time in October 2009. At this time three years ago, shares traded at just $78.20.
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Posted: 10/9/2012 1:31:29 AM
The best fix of all time-Patriots winning superbowl in 2001 after 9/11.
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Posted: 10/9/2012 1:36:03 AM
Saints on the phantom pass interference call against minny to send them to the superbowl after katrina
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Posted: 10/9/2012 2:59:39 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by redbook1:

i am not here to speak about if sports are fixed, but on this point.

you all have a grave misunderstanding of how easy it is to blackmail someone.  all you need do is let them know you have information about them that they absolutely do not want anyone to know about--hit-n-run accident, pedophilia, asian hooker junket, murder, wife beating, etc. 

the blackmailer does not need to threaten the victim or even make face-to-face or phone contact in order to make it known he has such info and how the victim can prevent this knowledge from becoming public.  it is very simple and very effective.

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Posted: 10/9/2012 3:02:31 AM
casinos and sport books love idiots who doesn't believe games are fixed.  Do you serious think it will be that easy to prove it's fixed?  Otherwise, all these dumbshit wouldn't be betting and vegas will lighting candles instead of fancy lights.  Well, then why bet when it's fixed?  Because it is all about being on the right side of the fence.  The right side is the side with less money.
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