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Posted: 9/4/2011 10:29:57 AM
Lets be honest, I love covers but they are going to be fallout from the death of on-line gaming in the United States. They have made a nice little living advertising for these books in a risk free manner. That day has come to an end. If there is no online gaming, there is no covers. They make their  living not from the saps like me who post here but from the sites that offer all those irritating windows. They cannot make money from a local.
Before I went off shore I used a local for years, no problems. We settled up every couple of months and he also booked for many of my friends. I went on line as it was easier and I had the ability to get many lines and all the prop action  I wanted plus poker BJ all in the same easy to use location.
I WOULD SERIOUSLY CONSIDER THE IMPLICATIONS OF GAMBLING OFFSHORE AT THIS TIME WITH THE BANKING REGULATIONS AS THEY ARE TO BE JUST AS ILLEGAL WITH USING A LOCAL BOOK, I WOULD BELIEVE THE US GOVERNMENT TO HAVE ENOUGH ON THEIR PLATE TO NOT WORRY ABOUT THE USER SIDE OF BOOKIES OR OFFSHORE GAMBLING SITES EQUALLY.
FURTHERMORE, I WOULD BE HESITANT TO BELIEVE COVERS IN THIS MATTER BECAUSE THEY HAVE SERIOUS "SKIN IN THE GAME" HERE AND ARE NOT SHOOTING FROM A PROTECT THEIR CUSTOMER FIRST POINT OF VIEW. THEY ARE PROTECTING THEIR POCKETBOOKS.
IN ADDITION, I TOTALLY APPRECIATE THIS SITE AND HAVE LEARNED AND PROFITED SO MUCH FROM THE INTELLIGENT USERS OF THIS SITE AND APPRECIATE THE MANNER IN WHICH THE SITE HAS BEEN RUN.  FOR ALL INVOLVED I HOPE THE US GOVERNMENT PULLS THEIR COLLECTIVE HEADS OUT OF THEIR PROVERBIAL fools AND FIXES THIS PROBLEM.
FINALLY, I FIRMLY BELIEVE THE ACTIONS OF THE GOVERNMENT MUST BE VIEWED IN CONTEXT OF THE MOST IMPORTANT INFLUENCE IN AMERICA-CORPORATIONS- AND I AM CERTAIN IN MY MIND THAT THIS CRACKDOWN COMES FROM THE BOARDS OF MGM-WYNN ETC AS THEY HAVE THE MOST TO GAIN BY DEGENERATES LIKE ME NOW SERIOUSLY CONSIDERING GOING BACK TO VEGAS JUST TO GET A LITTLE SUNDAY AM ACTION. SEE YOU ALL AT THE HILTON, AIRFARES FROM DENVER FROM $150, LOL

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Posted: 9/17/2011 11:03:01 AM
rocky Mt. High! I want to see a sports book @ The Lodge in Blackhawk!!!
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Posted: 9/17/2011 12:52:40 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by jagerfury:

rocky Mt. High! I want to see a sports book @ The Lodge in Blackhawk!!!

from your mouth to the  govs ears
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Posted: 9/18/2011 10:58:17 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Crashdavis565:


from your mouth to the  govs ears


The place would go off, my friend. The money those casinos would make on taking sports action, the whole hick town could be done up right!
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Posted: 9/18/2011 8:58:09 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Edison5354:




I don't know about where you live at, but the casinos in my local area all work with local bookies.  Most of the card dealers have a local bookie to place bets with.  I know at least 5 card dealers that bet over their head and seek out some loan sharks, and is slowly paying off their debts.

Can't blame the bookies/loan sharks, the customers are the ones to be blamed.  They don't want to post up with a reputable online book because a lot of them are shot takers that'll only bet with a credit line.  You even see idiots on covers.com begging for a credit line here.  It's pretty common.  Most of these losers are shot taking stiffs that's unemployed and living in mommy and daddy's basement.  A lot of them think they can get away with running away after they lose a large amount of money.  But 95% of the time a bookies/loan sharks WILL find their fools and make them pay up in a timely fashion. 




It's not all one sided, the local bookies are good at friggin you over when you win, as I personally experienced several times for more money than most make in a year.


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Posted: 9/20/2011 10:51:13 AM
Central Florida.....
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Posted: 9/20/2011 10:52:00 AM

Central Florida

 

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Posted: 9/22/2011 10:36:26 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Lou:

bp3959,

I know exactly what you are saying. For years before the Internet, I was lucky enough to have a bookie that was mostly independent and not really affiliated with any crime organizations.

Still, I didn't want to end up owing him any money, because that would have been unpleasant.


Solid post..
The problem might be that you will play at lot more on credit than if you post up

And that's the real problem we have with local bookies. It's not the fact they are considered criminals so much, but rather they operate on credit, which is how players get themselves into trouble.

If any local bookies operated post-up business, we wouldn't have much of a problem with it at all.

This has nothing to do with our list. Anybody can see that we don't even track the links on our American list anymore.

This is about two things:
1) Keeping our users out of trouble.
2) Keeping ourselves out of trouble from promoting illegal local bookies.

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Posted: 9/22/2011 10:43:44 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by oilgu01:

LISTEN TO THE ARTICLE & THESE FACTS!!!!!

Take it from a veteran who got  caught up in fbi investigation in 70's. Talkin naive, young high roller same good "good ole boys" that were taking action up  to 3/4 dimes a game from me ended up also being same guys dealing cocaine etc. etc.   Beating  someone making 100K+ in 70's while in his 20's wasn't hard.  All it did was destroy business pursuits, marriage, friendships an a life it took 15 years to get straightend out.  They really love you for sure!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Gambling credit is death my friends. Never used line of credit in casino's, but couldn't leave sports bedtting with credit alone. Talking hundreds of thousands when it was real money, but so it goes the lessons of life.  Stopped the gamblin, drinkin for 15 years, got it all straight in my head an finally now regular winner.

LISTEN WELL to advice in this article. Better off with online books, taking chances of not getting paid that having "officials" of the law or some guy calling your house making sure you can pay when you're 8-10K stuck, then having next level "freeze" your account.  Simple maneuver, when one guy can't pay you, next level person steps in says "tell you what if you lose we'll just knock it off what he owes you, but go ahead an pay you when you win".  DUUUUUH all sounded good when a kid an thought could beat it for sure when had em down 45K in couple of weeks. Course blew it back an another 10-15K, then feds show up since they had big guys phone hot who was tied in with Marcello's bunch in new orelans. When they play your recording when you were up 45K an question is what going to do about paying him. Answer being could put him box an put it 6 ft under. YOU WLL BEGIN TO PAY ATTENTION.  All the questions, the grand jury, the publicity etc. not worth it gentleman.  Take your shots with online books an enjoy it whether you are addicted, a real handicapper or real player.

 

When you post or hand it too the guy behind the window you will pay more attention an do better job.  Luckily, now kickin back on mailbox money, enjoying life, sports betting only during foots an sweet sixteen on bball.

Still comped nicely in casinos for solid craps action on numbers across the top, hedged with the don't.  Make few dollars here an there during foots. REMEMBER gentlemen, the gamble always has hustle an hustlers around it everywhere on the edges, in the middle lookin for the soft touch. 

HEED ADVICE USE ONLINE BOOKS




This is a very solid post....

When you play on  credit you die on credit
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Posted: 9/22/2011 12:00:17 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by josbran:

I also agree with Lou but with the state of online books getting more problematic when it comes to funding accounts is it any wonder why players are going the old local bookie route. I know most of the money goes to organized crime but that's what happens when our govt makes a stupid decision to ban the online books to US players that this problem exists. My solution is it that all the online books like Betfair, William Hill and other British books should thumb their noses at the US govt. and allow American players to sign up. If the US justice dept. wants to sue them they should go the route of the books in Costa Rica and Jamaica and sue the US in trade court. So lets get some balls Betfair and let US players sign up and see what would happen. 
yeah I gotta  play with some lame behind bookie in nyc his lines sucks,but it's better than gettin beat by some chessey online book
at least my guy always pays,unless he's in the can!
to bad veags couldn't go online
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Posted: 9/27/2011 12:13:33 AM

POSTING again it's already programmed in YOUR staes lottery systems just go this blog and follow directions  2 lousy mins of your time  is all thats needed  !

LEGALIZE sports betting in USA  will help us turn profitable and cut our defict and create 100's of millions of new jobs in all USA !

comon just do it  go here  http://legalbettinginusa.blogspot.com

 Great post LOU i see it all the time where i live out here and people's lives are destroyed by credit betting with locals !

they are physically beat up  and are running for thier lives !

many had to move away and change identity 

i seen business owners lose thier business to locals !

they got taken over  after losing $50 K  and still had to run the biz !

 BET on Credit with no money up  front is worse than having credit cards !

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Posted: 9/29/2011 7:31:10 PM

Gentlemen;

 

I distinctly remember telling "my friend" who was my broker on stock an commidity transactions.  The only difference between you an my bookmaker is that I only have to pay him 10% of what I lose.  Before the discount brokers, the fees were paid both sides like now but they were higher than what the 10% worked out to be on losers with book.

I tried an tried to explain to the critics of gambling who were trading stocks, bonds, whatever that they didn't get it. The fact is a brokerage house of any kind is nothing more than bookmaker is taking something, putting it on the table, charging for their services.  I will always remember, when bloomberg first came on cable t.v. a commodity broker said he was "making a bet" on whatever.  I immediately called all the 'investors' who looked down at, talked in disparaging manner about "gamblers".

 

Its the same frikcin thing, I mean very, very seldom does any receive a stock certificate, a contract of soy beans, a tanker of oil. Its all amounts of dollars paid for specualtion on a piece of paper.

 

UHHHHHH brokers talk about their book of customers, UHHHHH pieces of paper documents still there, even with internet. Bookmakers all had a book of customers, pieces of paper with the investments on them, winners, losers.

 

SOMEONE NEEDS TO EXPLAIN TO THE GOVERNMENT THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE.
Speculation is specualtion, you win you lose. Investing, hmmmm just had some inverse ETF options expire, lost that bet, had to pay a fee to do it. UHHHHHH Sounds like bad day a track, sportsbook, commodity house, brokerage. One difference is licensing. It's a no brainer!!! I mean las vegas only place you make a sports wager an not break the law/  UHHHHH

Later gentlemen I have an investment opportunity in the next 30 minutes need to make final decision on.

 

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Posted: 9/30/2011 9:22:14 AM
this post is obviously not being enforced.
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Posted: 11/11/2011 6:56:54 AM

As US laws prevail to target online sports wagering, it's clear, the only alternative to the serious professional is the state of Nevada, and or the 'local' Bookmaker operating in the black; (trying to contact a 'local' by advertising your needs online is not only detrimental, but outright stupid) their are numerous alternatives for US PLAYERS using online Books; the most innovative is the Canadian re-routing system, totally legal by USA law...

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Posted: 11/11/2011 7:05:11 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by oilgu01:

Gentlemen;

 

I distinctly remember telling "my friend" who was my broker on stock an commidity transactions.  The only difference between you an my bookmaker is that I only have to pay him 10% of what I lose.  Before the discount brokers, the fees were paid both sides like now but they were higher than what the 10% worked out to be on losers with book.

I tried an tried to explain to the critics of gambling who were trading stocks, bonds, whatever that they didn't get it. The fact is a brokerage house of any kind is nothing more than bookmaker is taking something, putting it on the table, charging for their services.  I will always remember, when bloomberg first came on cable t.v. a commodity broker said he was "making a bet" on whatever.  I immediately called all the 'investors' who looked down at, talked in disparaging manner about "gamblers".

 

Its the same frikcin thing, I mean very, very seldom does any receive a stock certificate, a contract of soy beans, a tanker of oil. Its all amounts of dollars paid for specualtion on a piece of paper.

 

UHHHHHH brokers talk about their book of customers, UHHHHH pieces of paper documents still there, even with internet. Bookmakers all had a book of customers, pieces of paper with the investments on them, winners, losers.

 

SOMEONE NEEDS TO EXPLAIN TO THE GOVERNMENT THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE.
Speculation is specualtion, you win you lose. Investing, hmmmm just had some inverse ETF options expire, lost that bet, had to pay a fee to do it. UHHHHHH Sounds like bad day a track, sportsbook, commodity house, brokerage. One difference is licensing. It's a no brainer!!! I mean las vegas only place you make a sports wager an not break the law/  UHHHHH

Later gentlemen I have an investment opportunity in the next 30 minutes need to make final decision on.

well said, you hit the nail directly on the head!

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Posted: 11/21/2011 7:40:48 PM
Is online betting even legal?? I try collecting a moneygram n the looks I get seem like im killing someone please help?
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darn your "where to play list" . Youre no better than the criminals you claim you want to protect us from. Snake oil shill. What a joke.
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