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Author:	[NBA Betting] Topic: question for someone new to sports betting.
smdbitchh	View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Prospect Joined: May 2012 Posts: 4 Location:	#1 Posted: 5/10/2012 12:28:29 PM Does it make sense to sometimes bet both the spread and the ML on the same game and team. I was going to bet the spread celtics -6.5 tonight and was also thinking about putting a smaller amount on the money line to help cushion the bet if they don't cover the spread. Or I hit both if they win outright and cover. does this not make sense mathematically in the long or short term? any input would be great thanks
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theguru1	RSI View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \| My Sportsbook: 5Dimes \|
Banned Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 3829 Location: Pennsylvania	#2 Posted: 5/10/2012 12:36:41 PM In the long run it will hurt you. Most of the time when a team wins, the spread doesn't even come in to play. Not sure on exact numbers but I am guessing around 60 or 70 % of the time if not higher that the spread does not come in to play. So it makes no sense to bet both. Now if you want to bet an underdog ML and spread, then that makes more sense. But not with a favorite.
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ogkush	RSI View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Captain Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 5078 Location: California	#3 Posted: 5/10/2012 1:05:29 PM if a team has a -300 ml and a -7 spread. Sometimes if a team doesn't cover the spread, they can easily lose. I wouldn't risk the -300 ml EVER, unless its in a parlay. What sounds more reasonable in your situation is if you bet on a team who is +7 instead, you can throw a sprinkle on the money line because it will be +300 or so.
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Daywalker331	View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \| My Sportsbook: JustBet.cx \|
Veteran Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 1063 Location: Connecticut	#4 Posted: 5/10/2012 1:57:31 PM I do it ALL the time ESP in Basketball You have a specific amount you wanna bet but the ML will cost all your bankroll with only small payout.. You know the teams gonna win (as much as possible ) But covering might be another issue so Bet the ML for the majority of the money and then bet the spread to make money jus make sure that the Ml play pay's enough to cover the spread wager should The Celtic's win but not cover. THis is better than betting all your money solely on the Moneyline gives you a chance to win a bit more money!!
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smdbitchh	View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Prospect Joined: May 2012 Posts: 4 Location:	#5 Posted: 5/10/2012 3:23:57 PM bump. thanks for the feedback guys. seems to be conflicting thoughts. anyone else have a reason why this shouldnt be done or doesnt make sense mathematically?
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composite	View Space \| Blog \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Veteran Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 2739 Location:	#6 Posted: 5/10/2012 3:57:05 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by ogkush: if a team has a -300 ml and a -7 spread. Sometimes if a team doesn't cover the spread, they can easily lose. I wouldn't risk the -300 ml EVER, unless its in a parlay. What sounds more reasonable in your situation is if you bet on a team who is +7 instead, you can throw a sprinkle on the money line because it will be +300 or so. Do 7-pt favorites really win 3 out of 4 times therefore justifying -300 ML? For some reason, it feels like they lose more often than that.
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Daywalker331	View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \| My Sportsbook: JustBet.cx \|
Veteran Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 1063 Location: Connecticut	#7 Posted: 5/10/2012 11:14:23 PM You probably listened to everybody else but me... but that's cool...eventually everyone in here will realize..I know alittle bit bout this GAMBLING THING!!!!
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Daywalker331	View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \| My Sportsbook: JustBet.cx \|
Veteran Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 1063 Location: Connecticut	#8 Posted: 5/10/2012 11:17:42 PM By then I'll probably STOP POSTING!!!!
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buffalo11	View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \| My Sportsbook: Mirage \|
Captain Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 8563 Location: New York	#9 Posted: 5/10/2012 11:21:52 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by Daywalker331: I do it ALL the time ESP in Basketball You have a specific amount you wanna bet but the ML will cost all your bankroll with only small payout.. You know the teams gonna win (as much as possible ) But covering might be another issue so Bet the ML for the majority of the money and then bet the spread to make money jus make sure that the Ml play pay's enough to cover the spread wager should The Celtic's win but not cover. THis is better than betting all your money solely on the Moneyline gives you a chance to win a bit more money!! i agree brotha i bet Boston ML and layed -300 tonight , ml bets are much safer and less stressfull then worrying about the spread. ANYTHING can happen in the NBA and even though you lay big money 2800 to win 800 its worth it
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bopkova007	View Space \| Blog \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Prospect Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 396 Location:	#10 Posted: 5/10/2012 11:23:13 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by smdbitchh: Does it make sense to sometimes bet both the spread and the ML on the same game and team. I was going to bet the spread celtics -6.5 tonight and was also thinking about putting a smaller amount on the money line to help cushion the bet if they don't cover the spread. Or I hit both if they win outright and cover. does this not make sense mathematically in the long or short term? any input would be great thanks Fuckin A
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BigJohnStud	RSI View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Veteran Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 2070 Location: Hawaii	#11 Posted: 5/10/2012 11:24:32 PM the best advise i can give you or anyone else to the game.. follow your gut!! gl
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duranizm	RSI View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Veteran Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 1318 Location:	#12 Posted: 5/10/2012 11:32:50 PM sometimes i took mlb game ML & RL. However, you had better avoid that betting style. if you keep doing it, you are going to get pissed off. for example, low-scroing teams such as giants, padres, dodgers, cubs can win just 1-2 runs margin. esp giants & padres are cases in point, i took this approach and made profits, but if you want to make money by using this approach, you have to have a good knowledge, how to read game sheets sht. what i'm talking about is you have to dig in the game really. rough sketchy about the games is not good. the best way is to put your money in one way, ATS, RL, ML, O/U. if you lose your money, just forget about it. there are tons of games everyday. i've got 1 year experience in sports betting, but made some money last year for i'm a huge fan of american sports, have much knowledge, lucky though. don't stick to the way, i'm 100% sure, terrific cappers MUST NOT PLAY that way.
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duranizm	RSI View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Veteran Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 1318 Location:	#13 Posted: 5/10/2012 11:42:44 PM plus, if you want to keep doing it, you have your own model that shows rough line, winner, sth. i mean your way requires really detailed game prediction. for example, in mlb games, some batters will start which inning, their batted balls can be basehits, extrabasehits, etc. last year, i predicted weaver was going to be in danger after 4-5 inning at fenway, and i remember angels were a strong favorite, at that time redsox were really cold, they couldn't even hit basehits, i could guess the result from sabermetrics & graphs & my rough model, etc. you have to have your own model. "probably, maybe this game will be blah blah" is just expectation, not good enough for this way. if you don't have any confidence or knowledge or model, just take one game with one way. i'm 100000000% sure there are tons of great cappers out there, they do not EVER, NEVER, play that way, trust what i'm talking about on this. i'm newbie as you still, but now i know how i should approach sports betting, GL
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Daywalker331	View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \| My Sportsbook: JustBet.cx \|
Veteran Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 1063 Location: Connecticut	#14 Posted: 5/10/2012 11:48:01 PM UMMM not to be rude but , Duranizm we're not talking about baseballl!!!!
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Daywalker331	View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \| My Sportsbook: JustBet.cx \|
Veteran Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 1063 Location: Connecticut	#15 Posted: 5/10/2012 11:49:46 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by buffalo11: i agree brotha i bet Boston ML and layed -300 tonight , ml bets are much safer and less stressfull then worrying about the spread. ANYTHING can happen in the NBA and even though you lay big money 2800 to win 800 its worth it lol Less stressful??? I WAS SCREAMIN AT THE END OF THAT GAME... my wife was like you know they can't hear you ... I was like YES THEY CAN!!!!
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buffalo11	View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \| My Sportsbook: Mirage \|
Captain Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 8563 Location: New York	#16 Posted: 5/10/2012 11:52:22 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by Daywalker331: lol Less stressful??? I WAS SCREAMIN AT THE END OF THAT GAME... my wife was like you know they can't hear you ... I was like YES THEY CAN!!!! lol yea so was i but you knew ATL would choke, its better then then losing with the 7 point spread right?
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hyvong	View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
Rookie Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 668 Location:	#17 Posted: 5/10/2012 11:52:59 PM The more you bet, the more juice you pay. DON'T DO IT.
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PitchBlack2011	RSI View Space \| Blog \| Friends \| Playbook \| My Sportsbook: BetOnline.ag \|
Rookie Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 898 Location: West Virginia	#18 Posted: 5/10/2012 11:57:33 PM Basically you could get the same result, in the longrun, by just doubling your bet on the pointspread...which I would not reccomend. I wager (3%) on every wager, and no matter how much I like a play never more...I used to wager (2%) on some and (4%) on others...went on a huge losing streak on the (4%) plays and almost lost my entire Bankroll...the same could happen by betting both ATS and ML in the same game.
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Theone324	View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
MVP Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 15908 Location: New York	#19 Posted: 5/11/2012 2:41:13 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by buffalo11: i agree brotha i bet Boston ML and layed -300 tonight , ml bets are much safer and less stressfull then worrying about the spread. ANYTHING can happen in the NBA and even though you lay big money 2800 to win 800 its worth it Worst advice you could give a new sports bettor. Dont listen to this clown. and don't lay juice like that it will eat up your bankroll.
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Theone324	View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
MVP Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 15908 Location: New York	#20 Posted: 5/11/2012 2:43:02 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by buffalo11: lol yea so was i but you knew ATL would choke, its better then then losing with the 7 point spread right? Yea you "knew"ATL would choke. laying -300
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Daywalker331	View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \| My Sportsbook: JustBet.cx \|
Veteran Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 1063 Location: Connecticut	#21 Posted: 5/11/2012 3:01:09 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by Theone324: Worst advice you could give a new sports bettor. Dont listen to this clown. and don't lay juice like that it will eat up your bankroll. I alway's Moneyline because at the end of basketball games desparation set's in. a Close game can turn into a BLOWOUT and A BLOWOUT can turn close. Them three's at the end of the game and then the intentional foul's...guy's miss the foul shots all the time due to these senario's it make mMUCH MORE SENSE TO ELIMINATE the point spread .. and to be honest .. EVERYBODY KNEW ATL WOULD CHOKE. BOSTON not only has the best ENDGAME but the LUCKIEST as well they been livin off it all season!!
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Theone324	View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \|
MVP Joined: Aug 2009 Posts: 15908 Location: New York	#22 Posted: 5/11/2012 3:14:52 PM moneylines will burn your bankroll in the long run. 1 game doesnt mean garbage in the grand scheme of things.
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Mikado	View Space \| Blog \| Friends \| Playbook \|
All-Star Joined: Oct 2009 Posts: 10110 Location: Colorado	#23 Posted: 5/11/2012 3:25:05 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by smdbitchh: Does it make sense to sometimes bet both the spread and the ML on the same game and team. I was going to bet the spread celtics -6.5 tonight and was also thinking about putting a smaller amount on the money line to help cushion the bet if they don't cover the spread. Or I hit both if they win outright and cover. does this not make sense mathematically in the long or short term? any input would be great thanks I do it all the time. I did it last night with Chicago +150 and Chi +3.5. Split it evenly between the two. I rarely play just ML, I usually put an equal amount against the spread for insurance. Usually more on the ATS side than ML. ML's can be enticing, but having a bit of a point cushion is a lot more comforting and profitable to me.
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Daywalker331	View Space \| Friends \| Playbook \| My Sportsbook: JustBet.cx \|
Veteran Joined: Dec 2011 Posts: 1063 Location: Connecticut	#24 Posted: 5/11/2012 3:25:39 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by Theone324: moneylines will burn your bankroll in the long run. 1 game doesnt mean garbage in the grand scheme of things. Actually that's hasn't been the case this NBA season however i can assure my bankrooll woulda been wiped out by all the WON BUT DIDNT COVER PLAY"S I maight have been involved in .. Everybody has they're own style ML's work for me and have been extremely sucessful so i pass my knowledge on You don't like it don't do it no harm no foul.!!!
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