Can someone tell me how affrimative action is not racist

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Posted: 5/26/2012 3:50:48 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by EazyFBaby:

I think I just got dumber after reading espalande's posts



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Posted: 5/26/2012 10:07:19 AM
Scal: Is AA based on a race (and/or sex to a lesser extent) quota? Yes or no?


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Posted: 5/27/2012 10:56:27 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by dl36:

scal... I was speaking to the OP in a way he can understand it...

you I think you are misinterpreting the bitching comment...

I can address you in the semantics of your paradigm if you would like...

I understand the formal definitions and why a minority cannot be racist... 

I understand the concept of white male privilege...

So I get your points... dont necessarily agree with it, but lets not pretend like I dont comprehend them...

So let me ask you this... am I incorrect with my point that affirmative action exists because of history/present inequities and there being no real incentive to make things more fair and therefore these types of interventions are necessary?

Of course it exists because of history. Those rights, no attempted to be provided to minorities and females, were denied to those grouped SOLELY because of their race and gender by the white male collective.
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Posted: 5/27/2012 10:57:19 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by TRAIN69:

Scal: Is AA based on a race (and/or sex to a lesser extent) quota? Yes or no?



Is it based on race and sex? Yes of course. How can it not be? It found its origins in those very things.
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Posted: 5/27/2012 11:23:22 AM
is it based on race?  of course.  is it racist?  no.  not if you understand the term.  it's closer to the opposite of racism.
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Posted: 5/27/2012 12:05:47 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by scalabrine:


Is it based on race and sex? Yes of course. How can it not be? It found its origins in those very things.

If something is based on race, isnt it inheritantly racist, regardless of the good or bad it brings? If not, please explain.
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Posted: 5/27/2012 12:15:00 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by TRAIN69:


If something is based on race, isnt it inheritantly racist, regardless of the good or bad it brings? If not, please explain.


no, i explained this in post 12.  look at the definition.  it includes the phrase: involving the idea that one's own race is superior to others.

AA isn't racist, it was created to help the victims of racism and address longstanding beliefs by some that white people are superior to black people. 
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never forget




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never forget


Obama  has placed a large,eye-catching Norman Rockwell painting depicting one of the ugliest racial episodes ill US history in a hallway outside the oval Office. .

Entitled "The Problem We All Live With": the painting shows US marshals escorting
'Ruby:Bridges , a six-year-old African-American girl, into a New Orleans primary school in 1960 under court-ordered integration amid angry, protests from the white community. '


Although the jeering mob that gathered daily to taunt E Bridges isn’t visible, the hostility ,is vividly conveyed by a splattered tomato that has been thrown at her and graffiti A spelling out "******" in large letters across, a wall behind her.


Bridges, now 56, suggested to Obama that he display the painting, and he invited her to the White House  to a see it. "1 think it's fair to say that if it hadn't been for you guys I, might not be here," he told her.


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Posted: 5/27/2012 3:51:21 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by TRAIN69:

Scal: Is AA based on a race (and/or sex to a lesser extent) quota? Yes or no?




I think alcoholics anonymous will accept anyone regardless of race/sex.age etc...  you just have to admit you have a problem and acknowledge a higher power
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Posted: 5/27/2012 6:53:27 PM
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no, i explained this in post 12.  look at the definition.  it includes the phrase: involving the idea that one's own race is superior to others.

AA isn't racist, it was created to help the victims of racism and address longstanding beliefs by some that white people are superior to black people. 


Racism also includes that it is discriminate to other races...

and guys give me a friggin break that we are still in day where whites are more dominant then blacks that's just ignorant and naive. People of all races can do whatever the hell they want in today's day and age if they choose to do so.
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Posted: 5/27/2012 7:01:11 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by ClubDirt:



no, i explained this in post 12.  look at the definition.  it includes the phrase: involving the idea that one's own race is superior to others.

AA isn't racist, it was created to help the victims of racism and address longstanding beliefs by some that white people are superior to black people. 


I understand all that. However, if it helps the "victims of racism" it is racist because the only way they get that help is due to their race. Vicious cycle......
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Posted: 5/27/2012 7:13:31 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by EazyFBaby:

Just curious... It really doesn't make too much sense to me..
If your great great grandaddy & granndma were tied to a whipping post your eyes might see differently. just saying
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Posted: 5/27/2012 7:22:21 PM
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I understand all that. However, if it helps the "victims of racism" it is racist because the only way they get that help is due to their race. Vicious cycle......


we are arguing semantics but to me racism implies one group thinking they are superior to another group based on their race.  AA doesn't contemplate that idea.  it may be discrimination but it isn't racism. 
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Posted: 5/27/2012 7:25:18 PM
They are owed a break.As are the poor folks burned at the stake. My oh my.
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Posted: 5/27/2012 7:32:26 PM
we all know the deal and the players at the table
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Posted: 5/27/2012 11:05:58 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Biscuiteater1:

They are owed a break.As are the poor folks burned at the stake. My oh my.



They WERE owed a break, not anymore
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Posted: 5/28/2012 12:20:54 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by EazyFBaby:




They WERE owed a break, not anymore

And this very post is the essence of a white supremacist's mindset.

Here the OP opens a thread but saying AA doesn't make much sense to him.

Then, by the end of the thread, of which he gained very little understanding as evidenced by his responses, he believes he can speak for 40 million black Americans, all minorities, all women, including white women, and say "Not anymore" with regard to the very white supremacy that absolutely necessitated the law in the first place. 

It's an extraordinary example of white racial resentment and anxiety and gender based anxiety (if he even understands the way white women benefit from the law) conflicting with his self-victimized delusions.  
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Posted: 5/28/2012 12:33:24 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by scalabrine:


And this very post is the essence of a white supremacist's mindset.

Here the OP opens a thread but saying AA doesn't make much sense to him.

Then, by the end of the thread, of which he gained very little understanding as evidenced by his responses, he believes he can speak for 40 million black Americans, all minorities, all women, including white women, and say "Not anymore" with regard to the very white supremacy that absolutely necessitated the law in the first place. 

It's an extraordinary example of white racial resentment and anxiety and gender based anxiety (if he even understands the way white women benefit from the law) conflicting with his self-victimized delusions.  


You are the one with delusions my friend. You think you know something everyone else doesnt. Black people got/get a raw deal. It sucks for them. What suck even worse is having no pride and selling out your own people.
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Posted: 5/28/2012 12:45:27 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by scalabrine:


And this very post is the essence of a white supremacist's mindset.

Here the OP opens a thread but saying AA doesn't make much sense to him.

Then, by the end of the thread, of which he gained very little understanding as evidenced by his responses, he believes he can speak for 40 million black Americans, all minorities, all women, including white women, and say "Not anymore" with regard to the very white supremacy that absolutely necessitated the law in the first place. 

It's an extraordinary example of white racial resentment and anxiety and gender based anxiety (if he even understands the way white women benefit from the law) conflicting with his self-victimized delusions.  



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Posted: 5/28/2012 12:47:42 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by scalabrine:


And this very post is the essence of a white supremacist's mindset.

Here the OP opens a thread but saying AA doesn't make much sense to him.

Then, by the end of the thread, of which he gained very little understanding as evidenced by his responses, he believes he can speak for 40 million black Americans, all minorities, all women, including white women, and say "Not anymore" with regard to the very white supremacy that absolutely necessitated the law in the first place. 

It's an extraordinary example of white racial resentment and anxiety and gender based anxiety (if he even understands the way white women benefit from the law) conflicting with his self-victimized delusions.  
,,,,Nail on the head...
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QUOTE Originally Posted by jay10:

,,,,Nail on the head...



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Posted: 5/28/2012 1:52:39 AM
Affirmative action is mostly harmless and created to helpt a disadvantaged minority.  Mostly in government jobs when two candidates are equal in merit, the minority may be preferred.  There are still not enough minorities employed.  Private sector is worser because most employers don't practice affirmative action.
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Posted: 5/28/2012 12:42:32 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by EazyFBaby:




They WERE owed a break, not anymore


if by this you mean racism has been eliminated, you are delusional.  there's an unbelieveable amount of racism here in the south.  the internet brings it out in people.  you see an article on the news website about a black guy who allegedly committed a crime.  the article is very short on facts and the media gets things wrong more often than not yet there are 30 comments about how the suspect is a typical thug or worse and needs to be strung up.  you get the same article about a white guy and you see maybe 5 comments and a couple of them are equally negative. 
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