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Posted: 7/19/2012 10:32:47 PM
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Posted: 7/20/2012 1:10:39 AM
Fantastic thread Boom-Boom, appreciate the ton of work you put into it!

As a VT fan obviously I'm not crazy about your predcitions for us, but you make some good points.   I do think you underrate just how good our defense is going to be, but you are right about the inexperience at OL, RB, & WR.   All I can say is the guys we are plugging in on the OL appear to be better than some of the guys we have had in the past, at least based on recruiting ratings.  And we do return an excellent center and a few of the new starters on the OL do have a bit of starting experience.   We have some talented young WRs but they will probably sit behind less talented, but more experienced, veterans unless they can prove they are good enough.

Still, when a team has won 10+ games 8 straight years and 9 out of 10, and has won 8+ games 14 straight years and 18 out of 19, and has a fairly weak out of conference schedule, that's quite a limb to go out on to say that 8-4 is the likely BEST CASE.

And while I know our history as slow starters does not bode well for the Georgia Tech game, I do think that Bud Foster's ability to game plan the entire summer for GT will help there.

But anyway, thanks for the great writeups on all the teams and conferences, you have my juices flowing for football again.   After ending the college season on a bad call and then having my Ravens miss the Super Bowl due to a dropped pass and missed field goal, I wasn't sure I'd be ready for football for a long time, but I'm starting to get fired up.

Thanks for the hard work and I'll be sure to remind you of your prediction when we win our 9th and 10th games in November....

Now I have to go to bed, it's your fault I stayed up an extra hour reading this stuff tonight!    Gotta get up for work in 5.5 hours...
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Posted: 7/20/2012 5:33:34 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by SteveA2009:

Fantastic thread Boom-Boom, appreciate the ton of work you put into it!

As a VT fan obviously I'm not crazy about your predcitions for us, but you make some good points.   I do think you underrate just how good our defense is going to be, but you are right about the inexperience at OL, RB, & WR.   All I can say is the guys we are plugging in on the OL appear to be better than some of the guys we have had in the past, at least based on recruiting ratings.  And we do return an excellent center and a few of the new starters on the OL do have a bit of starting experience.   We have some talented young WRs but they will probably sit behind less talented, but more experienced, veterans unless they can prove they are good enough.

Still, when a team has won 10+ games 8 straight years and 9 out of 10, and has won 8+ games 14 straight years and 18 out of 19, and has a fairly weak out of conference schedule, that's quite a limb to go out on to say that 8-4 is the likely BEST CASE.

And while I know our history as slow starters does not bode well for the Georgia Tech game, I do think that Bud Foster's ability to game plan the entire summer for GT will help there.

But anyway, thanks for the great writeups on all the teams and conferences, you have my juices flowing for football again.   After ending the college season on a bad call and then having my Ravens miss the Super Bowl due to a dropped pass and missed field goal, I wasn't sure I'd be ready for football for a long time, but I'm starting to get fired up.

Thanks for the hard work and I'll be sure to remind you of your prediction when we win our 9th and 10th games in November....

Now I have to go to bed, it's your fault I stayed up an extra hour reading this stuff tonight!    Gotta get up for work in 5.5 hours...
thanks for the well though out response.

Nobody stacks up more 10 win seasons then you guys..no doubt

But, as you may already know. I call things as I see them. Yeah the defense is gonna be great. You know the one thing I keep pointing out that not many V.T fans will address is their special teams situation. Being a Hookie fan you should know that Beamer ball ( Special teams ) won them many football games. It was almost like the edge they had vs teams who were about equal to them..... Basically if I thought V.T had a 50/50 shot to win a game based on strictly offense vs defense.... I would almost always pick V.T to win solely on the fact that "Beamer ball" would be the difference. I dont see that anymore. What happen to it?

I say all that to say this....... V.T IMO, is about 1 injured QB away from being a .500 football team. I just dont see the edge anymore. I know that was a poor call in the sugar bowl. V.T dominated them....but those are the kinda games im talking about that V.T would never use to lose.





 
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Posted: 7/20/2012 5:54:43 PM
Iowa S.T - Who doesn't like Paul Rhoads? I mean if your a college football fan and you dont like that guy, you got problems. I still get chill bumps when I hear that clip when he was in the locker room addressing his guys after that big win vs, I think it was Nebraska? Anyways, this is a interesting team. They have some talent and are slowly but surely catching up a little ( for Iowa S.T ) standards. These guys will return almost all their skill position players from a year ago and will gain the respect from Big 12 opponents. Defensively they will be better. They have two tackling machines coming back at Linebacker and overall should be pretty decent. I do think that with all considered, there still Iowa S.T. Now that's not me taking a shot at Iowa S.T, its just a fact. So basically, if you win 7 games, its been a successful year, and why not. @ Iowa, @ TCU, @ Oklahoma S.T, home to Oklahoma @ Texas and home to W.V will all be very extremely hard to win. So in reality, you need to pretty much win the rest of your games to be bowl eligible. Can they do it? Certainly. I think going back to a bowl game is the goal.








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Posted: 7/20/2012 6:02:11 PM
Excuse me what is the point of this thread

What are these 500 world single paragraph walls of text for each team that offers zero insight. People may read one and realize it was crap and painful to read then ignore the rest

Explain these best/worst predictions. So the absolute worst northwestern can go is 6-6? Reaaaalllly. Some predictions are what you think is realistic, some are what you think is remotely possible. Clemson's BC is 12-0 while VT's is only 8-4 really objective there The BC for Illinois is 10-2 while TT's BC is only 7-5, when 8-4 is easily reachable. On and on with this absurd predictions





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Posted: 7/20/2012 6:10:47 PM
I can't stop laughing at these predictions

Georgia's BC is 10-2 when they play NEITHER Bama or LSU and their toughest game is @SC and the over 9.5 is juiced -160

While Arkansas BC is somehow 12-0 when they play BOTH Bama and LSU, and @SC, @AU, @MS.
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Posted: 7/20/2012 6:32:54 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by BarrelledIn:

Excuse me what is the point of this thread

What are these 500 world single paragraph walls of text for each team that offers zero insight. People may read one and realize it was crap and painful to read then ignore the rest

Explain these best/worst predictions. So the absolute worst northwestern can go is 6-6? Reaaaalllly. Some predictions are what you think is realistic, some are what you think is remotely possible. Clemson's BC is 12-0 while VT's is only 8-4 really objective there The BC for Illinois is 10-2 while TT's BC is only 7-5, when 8-4 is easily reachable. On and on with this absurd predictions







This is called me educating you.


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Posted: 7/20/2012 7:53:30 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Boom_Boom:

thanks for the well though out response.

Nobody stacks up more 10 win seasons then you guys..no doubt

But, as you may already know. I call things as I see them. Yeah the defense is gonna be great. You know the one thing I keep pointing out that not many V.T fans will address is their special teams situation. Being a Hookie fan you should know that Beamer ball ( Special teams ) won them many football games. It was almost like the edge they had vs teams who were about equal to them..... Basically if I thought V.T had a 50/50 shot to win a game based on strictly offense vs defense.... I would almost always pick V.T to win solely on the fact that "Beamer ball" would be the difference. I dont see that anymore. What happen to it?

I say all that to say this....... V.T IMO, is about 1 injured QB away from being a .500 football team. I just dont see the edge anymore. I know that was a poor call in the sugar bowl. V.T dominated them....but those are the kinda games im talking about that V.T would never use to lose.





 


You are 100% correct about our special teams.   They have been very un-special for 5 or 6 years now.   Pretty much everybody has figured it out except the commentators who do the games and still rave about how great we are.

Not really sure why.   Part of it is probably because Beamer's emphasis on special teams forced other teams to do the same; he used to be able to find a weakness in other teams' punt protection and figure out how to get a block, those opportunities are probably harder to find now that teams have started to pay close attention.  We also used to use a lot of really good, first team players on the STs, we still do but maybe not as much as we used to. 

And some of it could be that our special teams coach (who also is our head coach) just hasn't changed with the times.   15 years ago he was ahead of the curve and he may not have adapted   He's pretty stubborn when it comes to change.
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Posted: 7/21/2012 1:51:32 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Boom_Boom:

Iowa S.T - Who doesn't like Paul Rhoads? I mean if your a college football fan and you dont like that guy, you got problems. I still get chill bumps when I hear that clip when he was in the locker room addressing his guys after that big win vs, I think it was Nebraska? Anyways, this is a interesting team. They have some talent and are slowly but surely catching up a little ( for Iowa S.T ) standards. These guys will return almost all their skill position players from a year ago and will gain the respect from Big 12 opponents. Defensively they will be better. They have two tackling machines coming back at Linebacker and overall should be pretty decent. I do think that with all considered, there still Iowa S.T. Now that's not me taking a shot at Iowa S.T, its just a fact. So basically, if you win 7 games, its been a successful year, and why not. @ Iowa, @ TCU, @ Oklahoma S.T, home to Oklahoma @ Texas and home to W.V will all be very extremely hard to win. So in reality, you need to pretty much win the rest of your games to be bowl eligible. Can they do it? Certainly. I think going back to a bowl game is the goal.








next up.................Texas Tech


  


 

Mark your calendars for 10/13 when my cats travel to Ames following an emotional game with KU....of course, the Cats will dump KU hard with little effort...however, some emotion will be dumped and ISU typically poses big problems for KSU, who follows the @ISU with a game @WVU.
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Posted: 7/23/2012 8:33:56 PM
Texas Tech - Look. I said it 3 years ago when they fired Leach. Texas Tech will never be the same. Facts back my argument up and will continue you to back my argument up. How did you TT fans like that 5 - 7 record last year? Nice wasn't it. Tubs came to " bring defense " to Lubbock. Please, LMFAO. In 2 short years he has destroyed the defense. There giving up more points now then they ever were! Will it get better this year because they bring back so many pieces from last years defense? Nope. It will still suck out loud because there stupid behind friggin coach sucks out loud. I hope you enjoy mediocrity and failure TT fans, cause it's coming again. Yeah there gonna score some points cause there still running Leach's offense, not as good as Leach ran it, but nevertheless still running it. What is there really to say? I mean this program is a " bottom dweller " in the Big 12 now. You want my advise? Fire Tubs and beg leach to comeback. I'm serious. darn Craig James and whoever that likes that idiot. Why am I so passionate? I love this game and ALL that surrounds it, but I cant stand when programs get rid of the best thing that ever happened to them because of ONE punk kid. The schedule isn't as bad as other teams in this league but I still expect Tubs to screw it up. Oklahoma, W.V, @ TCU, @ Kansas S.T, Texas and @ Oklahoma S.T.....chalk-em up as losses. Probably gonna lose to Baylor and maybe Iowa S.t too. 6 - 6 would be a good year IMO. I personally hope they lose to every team on the schedule. Texas Tech fans WILL agree with everything I just said. Why? Cause they know it's true. Texas Tech fans I hope you guys can rebound one day, but it WONT happen under this clown.







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Posted: 7/23/2012 11:57:22 PM
this joke hates SEC so bad he even holds vendettas against specific coaches who used to coach there.

Still mad over Tubberville's OT win over Clemson in 07 Chick Fil A bowl?

This guy is a clown
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Posted: 7/25/2012 4:44:39 PM
Kansas - I never thought firing Turner Gill was the right thing to do. But hiring a proven loser like Charlie Weis? WTF? Oh yeah, that's Kansas football. Why in the hell they ever fired Mangino is beyond me. Why is it that football programs who are historically nobody's start finding succsess then they fire the guy who got them there. WTF? Again, that's Kansas football. This team is what? No good should sum it up. I dont like anything about this team. I was never crazy about Dayne Crist but I do think the guy is a improvement over what they had. Defensively this group was statically worse then Baylor last year if that helps you any and that's bad. I could realistically see this team coming out the gate going 2-0 vs S Dakota st and Rice, then going 0-10 from that point on. Will it happen? Not likely. But Going something like 4 - 8 is very realistic. The absolute best is 6 wins and that's with a ton of stuff going there way and lady luck being involved as well. Look, if your a Kansas football fan understand that change must come from the coaching position before major change can happen. No WAY No how can a old fat man with a cane can go out and recruit against the best in the game. Recruiting is the bloodline to college football and you have to have the right guys to do nowadays. Most of the time when I see a team like this I send them off with a wish well or the best is yet to come......but here, Doom and Gloom my Jayhawk friends.






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Posted: 7/25/2012 9:09:46 PM

They fired Mangino because:

1. He was a fat slob

2. He said to a black player "You can work hard or end up back in the ghetto your choiceHis words not mine

I agree on Weis i don't see it with him

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QUOTE Originally Posted by packers1992:

They fired Mangino because:

1. He was a fat slob

2. He said to a black player "You can work hard or end up back in the ghetto your choiceHis words not mine

I agree on Weis i don't see it with him

mangino was the best coach they ever had. I dont give a garbage what he said.....

Plain and simple.
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you can only get insight like Mangino being fired because he was fat on covers....it would have cost Kansas $6.6 million if they didn't come up with a reason...not even sure why ghetto is offensive...it's just a low income area populated by a minority group...it can be any group...or barrios in the case of mexicans...andele ariba the fastest mouse in mexico speedy gonzales
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Guys coaches have no right to bring race into the fold. Boom i agree with you that he was a great coach BUT as a leader of men he had no business saying comments that can be construed as racial. Just becaus eyou're a good coach doesn't mean you get to say whatever you want
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Posted: 7/26/2012 9:38:40 AM
Even if the comment couldn't be construed as racial it's still pretty tasteless and if he had better judgement he wouldn't have said it. 
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exactly manny Boom people wanted to get rid of him and he gave them ammunition. Not saying those people are right. Also as a coach he never beat Oklahoma,Texas or Texas Tech. He had the 1 great yr but you can't make comments that have racial overtones
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Posted: 7/26/2012 4:52:30 PM
PAC 12



North

Oregon                  12 - 0   BC             10 - 2    WC
Washington            10 - 2  BC              6 - 6     WC
Stanford                 10 - 2  BC              7 - 5     WC
Oregon S.T             8 - 4   BC              5 - 7     WC
Washington S.T      6 - 6   BC               5 - 7    WC
California                7 - 5   BC               5 - 7    WC



South

Utah                    12 - 0   BC               9 - 3   WC
USC                    11 - 1   BC               9 - 3   WC
UCLA                   8 - 4   BC                6 - 6   WC
Arizona                7 - 5    BC                5 - 7   WC
ASU                     7 - 5   BC                 5 - 7   WC
Colorado             3 - 9   BC                  2 - 10  WC   
 






This is why I love doing college football predictions. The PAC 12 Im making what some may see as "Bold" predictions.....I dont. Right now, right here...I'm calling for the first major upset of the year when Utah beats USC on October 4th. Utah is very good people and if you dont know yet, you soon will. The other big predictions I have for this conference is Washington being the team that could really go any way this year. I have never had such a big gap between BC and WC like I do with this Washington team. Washington S.T people!!! Yes, the Mike Leach led Washington S.T will go to a bowl game this season. Oregon S.T will really turn things around and become more competitive and Jeff Tedford is about to sing his Swan song. This conference IMO, may be the most entertaining conference in the country this season....









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Agreed Boom Boom. I think Utah takes down SC as well. 
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Though I think BC for SC is undefeated. 
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Posted: 7/26/2012 8:42:38 PM
Boom - www.thegreek.com is offering Wisconsin at over 9 wins at +100.  I really like it.  I think they win 10 easy.  What do you think?  I know you were really high on them in your preview.
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QUOTE Originally Posted by tts_22:

Boom - www.thegreek.com is offering Wisconsin at over 9 wins at +100.  I really like it.  I think they win 10 easy.  What do you think?  I know you were really high on them in your preview.
Love it. I usually dont pick my national Championship until August every year..... I'll give you a hint. Wisconsin is probably gonna be one of the teams. 
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Oregon - The Ducks. I think Chip Kelly is amazing. Chip imo, has actually been apart of what the evolution of college football has been over the last few years. Teams all across the country want to do what they do. Whats Chip tries to do is recruit the fastest players in the country. If you look at the roster these guys aren't the biggest players in the world, but they are the fastest. Does it work for what there trying to do? Absolutely. Does it get them into trouble at times? I think so. But nevertheless, there effective. This years team is gonna be good again, what a surprise. The question is, who's gonna play QB? Most think Bryan Bennett will win the job, and he may. But I got this feeling we will see the young freshman take over at some point and be the guy. The key to this offense just isn't the skill players, it's the OL. If these guys aren't ready mentally and physically then this offense cant work. I like the group they have up front, but as I say tho, if these guys struggle then this team will. Defensively I think this is a " opportunistic " defense. They turn teams over and when the Ducks get you to turn the ball over you, they will beat you. Overall when I look at this team I see the same thing I have seen for the last several years. Can they compete for a NC? Of course. They have proved there among the elite of college football. I think they win the North and play Utah for the PAC 12 Championship. The Game @ USC is obviously huge for a lot of reasons, but since its late in the season, I think the loser of that game may will be out of the NC conversation.     





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