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Posted: 7/6/2012 3:35:29 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by be easy:



I don't understand how this bill makes those people that weren't paying for it then, pay for it now?  They still won't pay, and now they'll be fined 750, except since they couldn't afford it in the first place, they will get a subsidized tax credit. WHAT CHANGES?

Good point.  But who do you think is paying for the healthcare for all of the uninsured people right now?  Yup, we are.  Do you realize how many are getting a free lunch?  Do you realize how many people who CAN afford health insurance do NOT have it?  Tons. Because they know they can't be denied care.  

It sure as hell isn't perfect, but we're already paying their freight as it is.  Might this make a few more people accountable?
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Posted: 7/6/2012 4:24:24 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by HutchEmAll:


Good point.  But who do you think is paying for the healthcare for all of the uninsured people right now?  Yup, we are.  Do you realize how many are getting a free lunch?  Do you realize how many people who CAN afford health insurance do NOT have it?  Tons. Because they know they can't be denied care.  

It sure as hell isn't perfect, but we're already paying their freight as it is.  Might this make a few more people accountable?

Accepting your point as true for a moment (it is generally not). 

How about we repeal the statute mandating ER's treat patients?

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Posted: 7/6/2012 4:25:42 PM
This is the whole point in the word "affordable" in The Affordable Care Act". 



OMG!!

And if Obama presented a bill saying I declare Raisethis2 rich, you would believe it right?

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Posted: 7/6/2012 4:27:00 PM
14daroad wants to go the semantics rout and spit hairs over the use of the term "healthcare" vs "health insurance" in the context of 40 million people going without? Seriously man, this is your argument? 


There is no "semantics" 

They are different words with different meanings.

You could like look them up.

 there are 40 million people without health care who would face complete financial devastation should they become ill or injured.


You understand the the entire premise of the individual mandate is that people are getting health care at emergency rooms even though the don't have insurance and don't pay, right?

So please, please cite any source proving 40 million people don't have health care.
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Posted: 7/6/2012 5:57:04 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by 14daroad:


Accepting your point as true for a moment (it is generally not). 

How about we repeal the statute mandating ER's treat patients?

Just another in a long line of idiotic posts from you. I'm trying to figure out if you're scary or funny. Perhaps you're like your buddy Rush and decided to become a comedian. No sane person would even propose such a preposterous idea but you somehow think that that would be best for the country. Americans dying in the ER because they had no health insurance. Why stop there? Why don't we just execute all the poor and then we wouldn't have to worry about them at all and you would win the argument. 
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Posted: 7/6/2012 6:19:01 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Raisethis2:

14daroad wants to go the semantics rout and spit hairs over the use of the term "healthcare" vs "health insurance" in the context of 40 million people going without? Seriously man, this is your argument? 

Let me rephrase if it helps someone of such utter brilliance grasp the point...... there are 40 million people without health care who would face complete financial devastation should they become ill or injured.

Yes dumbass, they can go to Emergency Rooms and obtain healthcare via it's most expensive delivery method available but in doing so they would be generating bills that could ruin them financially if they own a home or have any savings.   This is the whole point in the word "affordable" in The Affordable Care Act". 




He even equates immigration with our our Healthcare system. 14daroad  I will ask you to name one industrialized country that doesn't provide healthcare for it's people. Don't answer with more ROFL's. We know that's your defense mechanism against revealing your very low intelligence level. We get that, but try for once to answer a direct question concerning your absurd positions.  
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Posted: 7/6/2012 6:51:44 PM
He even equates immigration with our our Healthcare system


You clearly can't read.


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Posted: 7/6/2012 6:52:42 PM
No sane person would even propose such a preposterous idea but you somehow think that that would be best for the country


For the overwhelming majority of America's history, Emergency Rooms were not required by federal statute to treat patients who could not pay for services.


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Posted: 7/6/2012 6:53:50 PM
I will ask you to name one industrialized country that doesn't provide healthcare for it's people.


I like how this is supposed to be a serious question.

Hey, if everyone jumped off a bridge, you would too, right?

I mean, everyone would be doing it and as we all know, that is such a good idea.


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Posted: 7/7/2012 8:27:56 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by 14daroad:


I'm sorry you can't figure it out but go read the links I provided and then hopefully you can see that Americans will be getting fewer insurance options, crappier treatment, and higher prices.


Yeah, wait till they find out that mothers will no longer be able to put bandaids on their childrens boo boo's.Sakes alive.I'm almost afraid to look out side for the sky is surely to fall soon.  C'mon man
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Posted: 7/7/2012 4:29:32 PM
LA County is probably going bankrupt as many illegal immigrants use the ER services.  These entitlements as well as their lucrative pensions are what is killing CA.  In Hawaii we have a similar situations with the Micronesians.  They are subsidized by the Feds yet the annual cost of 100 mil is supported by only 30 mil in Fed monies.  They are subsidized with housing, welfare, food stamps, etc.  The rest of this financial burden falls on the State of Hawaii through taxes.  We certainly did not bomb their waters with atomic testing and make radioactivity there.  I am a state retiree so my medical is covered by the state.  If I had to pay  for lab work, x-rays, diagnostic tests, prescript. drugs, office visits etc. I would be broke.    
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Posted: 7/8/2012 2:45:35 PM
LMAO 14DAROAD REHAB! I guess your talking points made somebody mad.
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Posted: 7/8/2012 4:05:37 PM
Oregon was a nice place before close minded sorts with attitudes like yours moved in. Now its becoming more like the Bronx every day.

Doubt and Shame 2012
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Posted: 7/9/2012 9:44:41 AM
Improve Obamacare

Pay doctors salaries.

The fee for service encourages waste.

It rewards doctors for each test and procedure they order.

This is the single biggest cost driver in the system.
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Posted: 7/9/2012 9:49:22 AM
Improve Obamacare

Enact medical malpractice reform


A huge cause of wasteful medical spending is the extra tests and procedures that doctors perform to protect themselves from law suits. They are forced to practice costly defensive medicine.

Still doctors can be sued but the standards for such suits need to be tightened mightily.
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Posted: 7/9/2012 10:48:10 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by BMA:

Improve Obamacare

Enact medical malpractice reform


A huge cause of wasteful medical spending is the extra tests and procedures that doctors perform to protect themselves from law suits. They are forced to practice costly defensive medicine.

Still doctors can be sued but the standards for such suits need to be tightened mightily.
Other countries are more advanced in keeping healthcare costs low.  Doctors are paid on salaries and legal protection limit lawsuits.  Unlike other countries, Obamacare is designed to accomodate private sector as much as possible.  So US is still more constrainted in ability to control costs.
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Posted: 7/9/2012 11:53:53 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by BMA:

Improve Obamacare

Pay doctors salaries.

The fee for service encourages waste.

It rewards doctors for each test and procedure they order.

This is the single biggest cost driver in the system.




one of many, however

until the western diet is addressed and people take into account what it is that they are fueling their bodies with, and what that crap is doing to their bodies, the death spiral will continue. Americans will be less healthy, health care will be more expensive, and our collective quality of life will continue to dwindle

“Today, more than 95% of all chronic disease is caused by food choice, toxic food ingredients, nutritional deficiencies and lack of physical exercise.”  ~Mike Adams

"He that takes medicines and neglects diet, wastes the skill of the physician" -Mark Twain


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