New York at New England (02/03/2008)

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Posted: 1/24/2008 4:10:06 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by 3rd_and_Long:

The Super Bowl line was set with AFC-13 as a future well before the teams were decided. Patriots are a gift here at anything less than 2 td's - complete overreaction from everyone betting on what they've seen over the 2nd half of the season & the Patriots not covering big spreads (I've been against them in all but the Jax game) and the Giants playoff run. Pats were down 12 and still got the win in the first game, Moss has been missing for the last two weeks, Brady in a soft cast, all previous SB wins were by 3, etc, etc, etc.

NOTHING SAYS BET THE PATRIOTS BUT THE LINE IS DOUBLE DIGITS

Take your Patriots, enjoy the win & the season and make some money while you are at it. As much as I hate them and will continue to hate them, they cover this game easily. Think Niners/Chargers SB type of blowout.

Agreed, 3rd, I had both underdogs last week, and have been consistently betting against the Pats over the last 6-7 weeks with that said, the dreaded Pats are going to put an behind-whippin' on the depleted G-men the likes of which we haven't seen since Dallas/Buffalo 41-3. This is where the rubber meets the road, I laid the 12 today, my biggest play of the year (as usual), always like to go out with a bang, one way or another.
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Posted: 1/24/2008 4:32:20 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by charlielo55:

Agreed, 3rd, I had both underdogs last week, and have been consistently betting against the Pats over the last 6-7 weeks with that said, the dreaded Pats are going to put an behind-whippin' on the depleted G-men the likes of which we haven't seen since Dallas/Buffalo 41-3. This is where the rubber meets the road, I laid the 12 today, my biggest play of the year (as usual), always like to go out with a bang, one way or another.
Excuse me, not 41-3,but 52-17......you get the picture.......
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Posted: 1/24/2008 4:54:11 PM

Giants: 'We Almost Beat The Patriots Once, We Can Almost Beat Them Again'

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Posted: 1/24/2008 5:07:47 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by danstyk:

Giants: 'We Almost Beat The Patriots Once, We Can Almost Beat Them Again'



fine with me as long as they almost beat em by no less than 12 points
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Posted: 1/24/2008 5:23:21 PM
Take the Giants as long as the spread is over 10....
 
 
I think the Giants have a legitimate chance to win this game....
 
 
RIDE THE TREND........... I tried to tell you guys last week but eveyone thought they would get beat by 7.5 in Dallas.....
 
this is a different team, 2 headed monster..............
 
they aren't relying on the pass, just pounding the ball and giving Eli the job of just not fuckin up...... he's not asked to carry the whole team like he was the whole year.......
 
 
 
Pats defense isn't that great.....  they are going to pound Jacobs against that old defense and wear them down so bradshaw can run a mile against them.....
 
THE GIANTS WILL PUT UP POINTS!!!
 
I'd like to think Giants D can contain the Pats.... but thats not the case... Pats are goign to score no matter what......
 
but you really think GMEN are going to lose by 12.5 while they are playing
 
MISTAKE FREE FOOTBALL......
 
(unlike the giants of old.... no false starts and no offsides....)
(eli manning has 0 turnovers in the post season)
 
the only thing against the GMEN is the damn pass interference calls........
 
 
DON'T FORGET...... the only reason why the pats beat the GMEN in the regular season was because MADISON was hurt for one play and didn't come off the field.... then brady bombed it to moss....
 
 
DO YOU THINK THEY ARE GONNA LET THAT HAPPEN AGAIN....
 
GMEN WITH THE POINTS......
 
NO OTHER POST IS NECESSARY.......
 
 
IF YOU ARE SAYING THE PATS ARE GOING TO COVER THAN YOU MUST BE A BOOKIE!!!!!!!!!
 
1000 on GMEN +12.5
150 on heads....
 
 
 
BREAK YOUR BOOKIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: 1/24/2008 6:10:11 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by danstyk:

Giants: 'We Almost Beat The Patriots Once, We Can Almost Beat Them Again'

I didn't realize that was a link at first.

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Posted: 1/24/2008 7:02:47 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by BreakaBookie:

 
 
Pats defense isn't that great.....  they are going to pound Jacobs against that old defense and wear them down so bradshaw can run a mile against them.....
 

Really?  Pats defense isn't that great?  How did they do against the #1 rushing attack in the NFL with the Jaguars?  How did they do against the Chargers last week?  I do believe they were ranked somewhere around 4th in the NFL in Total Defense this year.  Go ask the Chargers how good the Pats red zone defense is.  The only reason the Pats defense isn't mentioned is because the offense was so ridiculous this season.  But please check your stats before you post. 

4th in Yards Per game....10th in rush yards per game...6th in pass yards per game...4th in points per game...9th in takeaways....2nd in sacks...t-6th in interceptions...4th in 3rd down defense

I guess your right...that isn't that great  

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Posted: 1/24/2008 7:14:52 PM

An inside track at the Vegas casinos is the push is to keep the spread at 12 or higher. Please note the record of the PAT's ATS this year. This is the big game. The only game. A spread at 12 is only to get people on board who think NY will have a chacne with 12 in the bag at kickoff.

If you are a numbers better then keep watching, see the numbers go from 12 to about 9 before the coin toss. Remember football fans, besides March maddness, this is the most bet on sporting event of the year. They know what they are doing behind that desk when you give them your money.

 

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Posted: 1/24/2008 7:39:56 PM
Article in USA Today today says 80% of the bets so far are on the Giants.  The number will have to drop to balance that out, though I imagine a lot of Pats bettors are just waiting for just that, and I expect it will even out if it goes to 11.  (Cue Spinal Tap quote: "this one goes to eleven.") 

Here is a link to it:

Matchup of big-market teams may mean Super bets

Yeah 3rd, sorry I did not point out that above post was a link.  I love the line attributed to Coughlin -- "This team has already tasted victory against the Patriots. By which I mean we were so close to victory that we could taste it."

Seriously, the coaching cliche handbook says there is no such thing as a moral victory when you lose.  I think that last Pats-Giants game turned that on its head.  The Giants lost the game, but were re-energized big time afterward, as their confidence grew tremendously.   Also, I think the days of resting your star players in the waning weeks of the regular season are over for awhile.  If the Giants rested starters that game, I seriously doubt they would have won three games as road dogs in the playoffs.
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Posted: 1/25/2008 12:04:46 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by vegastracker:

An inside track at the Vegas casinos is the push is to keep the spread at 12 or higher. Please note the record of the PAT's ATS this year. This is the big game. The only game. A spread at 12 is only to get people on board who think NY will have a chacne with 12 in the bag at kickoff.

If you are a numbers better then keep watching, see the numbers go from 12 to about 9 before the coin toss. Remember football fans, besides March maddness, this is the most bet on sporting event of the year. They know what they are doing behind that desk when you give them your money.

 

I highly doubt this line will move through 10!!!!!!!! Anyway don't matter pats are gonna put a beating on th G-men of epic proportions......
.laugh. Those of you that bet the Giants on the money line that bet should come with a free blue shirt that says SUCKER on the front and back.......    
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Posted: 1/25/2008 2:04:39 AM
what scares me is that everyone thinks, myself included, the giants +12.5 is a lock. Everyone but the bookies. The bookies usually win. I like:
 
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Ben Watson (20-1) for 1t TD
Giants +19.5 & under 61 teaser
 
I am heading to Vegas. Any Thoughts?
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Posted: 1/25/2008 2:09:30 AM
Yeah.
 
Throwing a dime on Ben Watson (20-1) for first TD while in Vegas.
 
If it happens, expect someone to be getting some yay and ho's.. What are the chances of that? Probably as good as Devin Hester running back the kickoff for a touchdown.
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Posted: 1/25/2008 2:21:18 AM
I am still leaning heavy on my team, and I will pound them hard but I'm finding it a little interesting that just about everyone I know (besides a few in this forum) are all over the Giants...

Does anyone have any stats on public %s winning in the Superbowl the last couple of years?  Just curious. 

Go Pats
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OHH PATS.  ooh PATS.  I call the Pats, "the post", b/c "they deliever".

OOhhh   YES, YES!!!  POUND IT PATTY, *POUND* THAT behind!!!

THIS GAME IS MORE THAN A WEEK AWAY, AND YET IT ALREADY OVER.

BET ON NE to cover here.

HEY!!  BET YOUR CAR, BET YOUR HOUSE, BET YOUR PETS, YOUR CHILDREN AND EVERY SINGLE LAST ONE OF YOUR GOLDFISH.

I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY'RE EVEN PLAYING THIS GAME.  THE GIANTS SHOULD SPARE THEMSELVES THE HUMILIATION.  THOSE IDIOTS!!
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The PATS take this one by 40 points.  And if not, then I invite whomever to come by my place and shoot me in the head (be warned, I'm packing an aresenal of my own).  nah nah (sticking out tongue)
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Sarcastic rants are fun every now 'n' then

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Posted: 1/25/2008 10:05:58 AM
  The difference in this game is the Giants are fearful of their kicker. When they get close to the goal line they have to be thinking TD not FG. Also on 4th and short will go for it.

I remember when Ali was fighting Liston, Ali came back to the corner and told Dundee, "i can't see, cut the gloves off", Dundee said there ain't no cutting the gloves off, this is the championship.

Giants will run and throw like never before.

Pats running into a buzz saw.
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Posted: 1/25/2008 1:31:33 PM
The more I look into this game the more my lean is changing from Giants plus the points to laying the points and taking the Pats.  I dont like how the Giants players are starting to talk and say how they should have beat this team already and they are beatable.....Im going to go back and watch the first matchup again, got it on TIVO.  Will post back about the breakdown.
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Posted: 1/25/2008 2:12:19 PM
Press is squaking about Brady and the walking cast.
He was a no show for press time at practice and afterward
Let the hype flow.
Always remember though believe none of what you hear and only half of what you think you see
Perhaps Brady is truly hurt and it will affect the game
Maybe thats why he had that ugly face going all game last weekend.
I am curious will we see line movement?
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Posted: 1/25/2008 2:17:31 PM
To answer your questions (fin) "no" and "no".

It's all a big con.
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Posted: 1/25/2008 11:58:58 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Spytheweb:

  The difference in this game is the Giants are fearful of their kicker. When they get close to the goal line they have to be thinking TD not FG. Also on 4th and short will go for it.

I remember when Ali was fighting Liston, Ali came back to the corner and told Dundee, "i can't see, cut the gloves off", Dundee said there ain't no cutting the gloves off, this is the championship.

Giants will run and throw like never before.

Pats running into a buzz saw.


Another hilarious post my friend!!  Pats running into a buzz saw.  That truly is classic.  The Giants are in no way, shape, or form, a buzz saw.  They played three very good games to get to this point. But do you at least think for a minute that the fact the Buccaneers couldn't come back in a game if their life depended on it, Tony person had another crappy performance and refused to go to the shotgun, and the fact that Brett Favre happened to have the worst game of his season had anything to do with them being here??  I respect what the Giants have done, and am very surprised that Eli has been able to go this far with no turnovers...but come on now.  Maybe if the Giants won each playoff game by 30 points...they would be considered a buzzsaw.  If anything, I would have to say that the team that's 18-0 this season is a buzz saw.


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Posted: 1/26/2008 5:12:37 AM
If the Giants had not played the Pats 4 weeks ago, i would wonder, how would the Giants stand up against the Pats? The Pats defense scares no one. The one who i'am worried about is Welker. Much like Witten of the Cowboys. I think slow him down and that offense is stuck.

The Pats have not covered in last 5 games, they are getting tired, this is a must win game for them. The Giants were picked to lose in all their playoff games. How many pro-bowlers do they have? 1! Was it Green Bay or Dallas that had 12?

Just imagine the looks on everybody's face if NY walks away with a win.

I remember the Giants/Broncos game where Denver was 13-0 and the Giants were 8-5 or 7-6. Denver's QB was Elway. The big game was to be the next week with Denver/Miami, NY upset those plans with a win.

Football is about skill, it is also about emotion. Pats expect to win, Giants want to win. Giants will take them out of that comfort zone, and make them work. This is the reason the Dallas Cowbillies are home watching the game on tv. They had already brought their tickets for the Championship game. Witten said on Sirius today, that it should be Dallas playing in the SB, yea right.

General Armstrong Custer, told his troops, "Take no prisoners",  just before he was slaughtered.

I just watched the Giants/Pats game again, the Giants never used Bradshaw in that game. This is a plus for NY. Something the Pats didn't have to worry about last game.
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Posted: 1/26/2008 7:09:52 AM
You got the love that both MANNINGS will win a superbowl ring....... last yr Peyton and this year ELI.... than in a few years they can retire knowing they both won a RING!!! GO GIANTS!!!  it will be a thrilling game,, down the a FG!!!!!
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Posted: 1/26/2008 1:04:15 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Spytheweb:

If the Giants had not played the Pats 4 weeks ago, i would wonder, how would the Giants stand up against the Pats? The Pats defense scares no one. The one who i'am worried about is Welker. Much like Witten of the Cowboys. I think slow him down and that offense is stuck.

The Pats have not covered in last 5 games, they are getting tired, this is a must win game for them. The Giants were picked to lose in all their playoff games. How many pro-bowlers do they have? 1! Was it Green Bay or Dallas that had 12?

Just imagine the looks on everybody's face if NY walks away with a win.

I remember the Giants/Broncos game where Denver was 13-0 and the Giants were 8-5 or 7-6. Denver's QB was Elway. The big game was to be the next week with Denver/Miami, NY upset those plans with a win.

Football is about skill, it is also about emotion. Pats expect to win, Giants want to win. Giants will take them out of that comfort zone, and make them work. This is the reason the Dallas Cowbillies are home watching the game on tv. They had already brought their tickets for the Championship game. Witten said on Sirius today, that it should be Dallas playing in the SB, yea right.

General Armstrong Custer, told his troops, "Take no prisoners",  just before he was slaughtered.

I just watched the Giants/Pats game again, the Giants never used Bradshaw in that game. This is a plus for NY. Something the Pats didn't have to worry about last game.


You are right in the fact that the Pats defense doesn't scare anybody...they don't need to.  They just show up to play every week and hold you to less than 20 points.  Which is conveniently enough to win every single game.  You can't teach experience...and that's what this team has.  The Giants need to rely on Strahan who is well beyond his years and Toomer who is a 3rd WR for their inspiration this week.  Those are the only two players on the team who have been there before.  That is going to play huge difference.  The Pats are the better team...and the better team wins in the Super Bowl.  Period. End of discussion.  Please stop the delusions and discuss your opinion on why or why not the Giants will cover the spread.
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Posted: 1/26/2008 2:26:47 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Kris42000:

Yeah.
 
Throwing a dime on Ben Watson (20-1) for first TD while in Vegas.
 
If it happens, expect someone to be getting some yay and ho's.. What are the chances of that? Probably as good as Devin Hester running back the kickoff for a touchdown.

 

I can sense the "Hope" in your message.

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