Industry in distress: How did it come to this?

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Posted: 2/17/2007 12:05:26 PM
Sure, if they can somehow tax that money!
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Posted: 2/18/2007 9:09:09 AM
NOTHING WOULD MAKE ME HAPPIER THAN A HUGE RATINGS DROP ON THE NBA ALL STAR GAME!!!!
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Posted: 2/18/2007 6:40:04 PM
Just curious if anyone else has the following thought. All the troubles getting money to and from the sportsbook is not such a bad thing. I'm not referring to those who have a ton of money out there already. I'm talking about those who generally lose and have to often reload and now they have to deal with all these hassles and say, it's not worth it and save their money which they likely would have lost anyway.
 
 
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Posted: 2/19/2007 12:38:27 AM
That's a nice thought, there is just one problem..............................Vegas was not built with winners and that sure as hell holds tru wit online gambling.  Tha bottom line is yu gotta have those people who "just play" and lose.  No book would survive if everyone won all tha time, and anyone who did this for a livin would have to go and get a real job.  Don't get me wrong, I don't want to see people throw away their hard earn money, and I don't want to see kids darn their parents credit up, but yu have to have tha sucka betters that really don't know what their doing for this industry, sportsbooks and pro betters, to make any money.
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Posted: 2/19/2007 1:02:52 AM
Besides, if people gambling in the privacy of thier own home wasn't percieved "as a bad thang," would we really be having these problems..............................................
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Posted: 2/19/2007 12:20:50 PM
"Right now both the bookmaker and the bettor are crippled by Neteller’s situation. On Wednesday, word came that the deadline for the government to indict Neteller’s co-owners had been extended to March 16. This means the $55 million Neteller has in U.S. based accounts remains frozen."
 
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Posted: 2/22/2007 1:00:50 PM
Taking the book and bettors out of the equation, it seems that 2 entities benefit the most from sports gambling . . . the teams/organizations (ncaa) and the rightholders who pay millions of dollars annually to put these teams/sports on television.  Both of those entities seem to have ample political clout.  Perhaps, a course of action could be to apply pressure on either one of those entities.  I figure you can rule out the NCAA, but that leaves many others.  Basically, I'm following up on the DTV Sunday Ticket proposal.
 
A single type of pressure can be felt by all these teams/sports/televsion companies . . .  TV Ratings.
Ways to impact ratings in an attention gathering manner include,
 
Using MLB.COM for baseball viewing for a certain team and specific times.
 
Encouraging all sports gamblers who are selected to be Neilsen viewers to not watch a specified sport during a certain time period.  (neilsen strives for one viewing box per zip code in most metro areas for overnight ratings reporting purposes)
 
Using Digital Cable (for alternative viewings of an event already on standard cable.  in most TV DMA's, these channels are not metered for ratings purposes)
 
There are many other ways to impact the ratings process as well.  A concentrated effort by Covers and/or the Industry to make statements of this manner may get the attention of those who obtain a substantial unintended benefit from the sports gambling industry.
 
In addition, most pro-sports teams are very sensitive to fan complaints,  has anyone ever written a sports team to complain about sports gambling ?  doubtful, aside from the few and far between betting scandals. what would happen if  legions of sports gamblers, especially the recreational players, launched a campaign towards the pro teams, a campaign that encouraged a regulated and taxed industry.  Just imagine the stadiums they could build then.
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Posted: 2/22/2007 9:26:07 PM
I'm not sure excactly sure what anyone expect to accomplish by not watchin sports, writing congressmen, and all that other bull garbage.  I don't mean to be tha hater but, tha cat is already out tha bag.  This is a 12 billion a year business (not to mention what gamblers make and DON'T REPORT TO THA IRS) and tha US gov't ain't gettin any of it.  Let me repeat that, THA US GOVERNMENT DIDN'T MAKE ONE PENNY OFF OF INTERNET GAMBLING.  So yall think that by canceling a few subscriptions and writing some currupt politicians, that's gonna make them leave us alone.  Yea right.  They are gonna do two thangs.  Either regulate and tax it, or try and stop it all together.  Well stopping it completely ain't gonna happen, and they aren't willing to come up wit a way to tax it.  So I'm not sure what tha gov't is gonna do, but to go to them and beg them to leave us alone is to little to late.
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Posted: 2/23/2007 10:45:41 PM
A boycott of companies like DirectTV and even MLB.com is thinking small. I'm kicking around an idea that will hit where it really hurts in the global financial arena. I'll get back with more info once I complete my research.  
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Posted: 2/24/2007 10:07:03 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by THAKZZA:

I'm not sure excactly sure what anyone expect to accomplish by not watchin sports, writing congressmen, and all that other bull garbage.  I don't mean to be tha hater but, tha cat is already out tha bag.  This is a 12 billion a year business (not to mention what gamblers make and DON'T REPORT TO THA IRS) and tha US gov't ain't gettin any of it.  Let me repeat that, THA US GOVERNMENT DIDN'T MAKE ONE PENNY OFF OF INTERNET GAMBLING.  So yall think that by canceling a few subscriptions and writing some currupt politicians, that's gonna make them leave us alone.  Yea right.  They are gonna do two thangs.  Either regulate and tax it, or try and stop it all together.  Well stopping it completely ain't gonna happen, and they aren't willing to come up wit a way to tax it.  So I'm not sure what tha gov't is gonna do, but to go to them and beg them to leave us alone is to little to late.

 

This is simply not true.

Most bigtime gamblers pay taxes, especially the poker playing community.  This is the group that most tax revenue would come from anyway as smaller gamblers are usually the ones who dont win on an annual basis and if they do, its obviously not very much.

Now Im not saying its 100% or anything close, but to say that its zero is simply incorrect.

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quote#111
Posted: 2/24/2007 2:56:56 PM
Never mind taxing the players, how about getting those casinos to be located in the US so you can tax them?
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Posted: 2/24/2007 6:35:29 PM
Oh gee sorry, and since it ain't 100% then according to tha gov't, yu ain't payin enough.
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Posted: 2/24/2007 6:37:24 PM
OH AND BY THA FUCKIN WAY THA GOVERNMENT APPARENTLY DOESN'T THINK THEY ARE GETTIN THEIR FAIR SHARE OTHERWISE WE WOULDN'T ALL BE UP IN HERE COMPLAINING ABOUT THIS IN THA FIRST PLACE.
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Posted: 2/24/2007 7:48:03 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by THAKZZA:

OH AND BY THA FUCKIN WAY THA GOVERNMENT APPARENTLY DOESN'T THINK THEY ARE GETTIN THEIR FAIR SHARE OTHERWISE WE WOULDN'T ALL BE UP IN HERE COMPLAINING ABOUT THIS IN THA FIRST PLACE.
 
Big difference between "fair share" and "THA US GOVERNMENT DIDN'T MAKE ONE PENNY OFF OF INTERNET GAMBLING".
 
Dont you see that?
 
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Posted: 2/24/2007 9:30:26 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by vanzack:

 
Big difference between "fair share" and "THA US GOVERNMENT DIDN'T MAKE ONE PENNY OFF OF INTERNET GAMBLING".
 
Dont you see that?
 
 
I don't have to see anything, I'm not tha one waging tha war against internet gambling.  I am not tryin to pick a fight wit yu.  Yu're a god in here and I wouldn't dare go there yu , please forgive me .  All I'm sayin is we're discussing this in here because tha gov't thinks internet gambling is "wrong," and I don't hear tha same garbage about smoking, child porn, achohol, and other garbage that's done more damage tha gambling will ever do.  First off it's their fault tha garbage went overseas in tha first place, now they wanna stop it at all cost.  cause they don't see, or don't have tha patience to come up with a decent way to tax it.  ALL OF IT.  I'm sorry if my they don't make a dime off of gambling offended yu, but they don't think they get enough.  And a few gamblers payin taxes is chump change compared to what taxing 12 billion would bring in.  Anyway tha bottom line is tha gov't has turned tha tables on us, and we're beyond writing letters and canceling subscriptions.  So what yall gonna do?
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Posted: 2/24/2007 11:15:33 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by THAKZZA:

 
I don't have to see anything, I'm not tha one waging tha war against internet gambling.  I am not tryin to pick a fight wit yu.  Yu're a god in here and I wouldn't dare go there yu , please forgive me .  All I'm sayin is we're discussing this in here because tha gov't thinks internet gambling is "wrong," and I don't hear tha same garbage about smoking, child porn, achohol, and other garbage that's done more damage tha gambling will ever do.  First off it's their fault tha garbage went overseas in tha first place, now they wanna stop it at all cost.  cause they don't see, or don't have tha patience to come up with a decent way to tax it.  ALL OF IT.  I'm sorry if my they don't make a dime off of gambling offended yu, but they don't think they get enough.  And a few gamblers payin taxes is chump change compared to what taxing 12 billion would bring in.  Anyway tha bottom line is tha gov't has turned tha tables on us, and we're beyond writing letters and canceling subscriptions.  So what yall gonna do?
 
I agree with you.  I think that the govt plays a balancing game between morality and taxation.  Right now morality is winning.
 
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Posted: 2/25/2007 9:04:14 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Judger:

A boycott of companies like DirectTV and even MLB.com is thinking small. I'm kicking around an idea that will hit where it really hurts in the global financial arena. I'll get back with more info once I complete my research.  
 
 
   cool can't wait to hear it!
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Posted: 2/26/2007 7:31:56 AM

 First of all, welcome, i hope that you enjoy reading this lines and that after you read this, you got the power to give yourself a chance to have your life back, and to enjoy your days putting more attention and dedicating more time to the important things that really matters in life...

 I´ll have to say, that this is gonna be my first & only post ever here... So, you can try to learn something from this message, or you can just read it and pass away without putting any atention on it.   

I feel that its time for someone to stand up & say something really relevant against this devastating Oficial Gambling Industry...

 

 MLB, NBA, NFL, plus all those sports managed organizations including the College Sports Programs of the NCAA are obviously manipulated by an Sportsbook & Casino's Organized MAFIA, with the support & the knowlege of the National Goverment. For some people this is hard to believe, but I know that this is a 100% true.

 Gamblin is a really profitable industry that the Goverment cares & protect with an special attention. Las Vegas is the money machine that support a big part of the whole United States Economy, so, dont be surprised about the rules and/or the Laws that the Congress & Goverment pronounce against the offshore + Internet based gambling platforms... All those Laws & regulations are just trying to put away the huge profits and the benefits that this Industry gives every day to those ones that are not official conected to the MAFIA, and for those ones that are not giving them their ^piece of the cake¨ that they think they Deserve as they are the Oficial Business Managers & the Industry Creators... You have to know that they have been working for years to make this Industry a profitable business, so they want it all, this is their rule number one..., if you are not one of them, you are against them, and they will keep fighting untill they take you away from their Business.

 As they know that gambling is an oficial fraud, they dont want any Internet Offshore Bookies ¨steal¨ the money of United States Citizens, thats why they are putting all their effort in the fight against Internet Gambling. They know that those bookies are ¨stolen¨ the peoples money and not giving them even a penny from their huge profits. This is absolubtly unaceptable for them, thy take that like a nockdown punch in the head...

 

 To end up this article, let me explain you some details to let you know a little bit how the Oficial System works for Vegas.

 

 All the Sportbooks & Casino`s in Las Vegas are conected to an intranet beting program...that platform System, at the time the games goes underway... provide them all the information to let them now all the most popular & heavy bets of those games and all the teams that are the principal ¨stakes¨ of all the tickets that are already sold. With that information details, they make their move and controled the games, from a closed Circuit place that they use to call the ¨Black Room¨, they have inside access & full conection to every single game, they ruled & managed the officials about how they will call that game. With that kind of Hight Tecnology Systems and all those persons by their side, its imposible for the bettors to have benefits in a long term.

 

 Its not a coincidence that you saw those huge Big favorites and the most popular bets falling that often...

 Its not a coincidence that when you are watching a game you just saw some really rare things that happend to afect the favorite team of the contest, there are some incredible mistakes and bad calls that you`ll never expect to happend... Its just Ridiculous. But what can you do?, you just can watch and trait to believe what you are watching, because its ¨true¨. But this is not happend in the game naturaly...(they are making this happend), sometimes you have to make and extra effort to stay calm because otherwise you will get that Mad that would broke the remote control, or even the TV, the PC or the Laptop. 

 

Read this well please!!!!!! YOU CANT BEAT THE SYSTEM, you cash some times, because you just got a lucky break and come aboard on the side that they make win at that time...   

 

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Posted: 2/26/2007 4:33:28 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Edw:

 First of all, welcome, i hope that you enjoy reading this lines and that after you read this, you got the power to give yourself a chance to have your life back, and to enjoy your days putting more attention and dedicating more time to the important things that really matters in life...

 I´ll have to say, that this is gonna be my first & only post ever here... So, you can try to learn something from this message, or you can just read it and pass away without putting any atention on it.   

I feel that its time for someone to stand up & say something really relevant against this devastating Oficial Gambling Industry...

 

 MLB, NBA, NFL, plus all those sports managed organizations including the College Sports Programs of the NCAA are obviously manipulated by an Sportsbook & Casino's Organized MAFIA, with the support & the knowlege of the National Goverment. For some people this is hard to believe, but I know that this is a 100% true.

 Gamblin is a really profitable industry that the Goverment cares & protect with an special attention. Las Vegas is the money machine that support a big part of the whole United States Economy, so, dont be surprised about the rules and/or the Laws that the Congress & Goverment pronounce against the offshore + Internet based gambling platforms... All those Laws & regulations are just trying to put away the huge profits and the benefits that this Industry gives every day to those ones that are not official conected to the MAFIA, and for those ones that are not giving them their ^piece of the cake¨ that they think they Deserve as they are the Oficial Business Managers & the Industry Creators... You have to know that they have been working for years to make this Industry a profitable business, so they want it all, this is their rule number one..., if you are not one of them, you are against them, and they will keep fighting untill they take you away from their Business.

 As they know that gambling is an oficial fraud, they dont want any Internet Offshore Bookies ¨steal¨ the money of United States Citizens, thats why they are putting all their effort in the fight against Internet Gambling. They know that those bookies are ¨stolen¨ the peoples money and not giving them even a penny from their huge profits. This is absolubtly unaceptable for them, thy take that like a nockdown punch in the head...

 

 To end up this article, let me explain you some details to let you know a little bit how the Oficial System works for Vegas.

 

 All the Sportbooks & Casino`s in Las Vegas are conected to an intranet beting program...that platform System, at the time the games goes underway... provide them all the information to let them now all the most popular & heavy bets of those games and all the teams that are the principal ¨stakes¨ of all the tickets that are already sold. With that information details, they make their move and controled the games, from a closed Circuit place that they use to call the ¨Black Room¨, they have inside access & full conection to every single game, they ruled & managed the officials about how they will call that game. With that kind of Hight Tecnology Systems and all those persons by their side, its imposible for the bettors to have benefits in a long term.

 

 Its not a coincidence that you saw those huge Big favorites and the most popular bets falling that often...

 Its not a coincidence that when you are watching a game you just saw some really rare things that happend to afect the favorite team of the contest, there are some incredible mistakes and bad calls that you`ll never expect to happend... Its just Ridiculous. But what can you do?, you just can watch and trait to believe what you are watching, because its ¨true¨. But this is not happend in the game naturaly...(they are making this happend), sometimes you have to make and extra effort to stay calm because otherwise you will get that Mad that would broke the remote control, or even the TV, the PC or the Laptop. 

 

Read this well please!!!!!! YOU CANT BEAT THE SYSTEM, you cash some times, because you just got a

 
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Posted: 2/26/2007 4:44:13 PM
I second that
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Posted: 2/26/2007 4:44:43 PM
Who is this fool anyway?  Sounds like a conservative
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Posted: 2/26/2007 5:36:27 PM
great reading!  
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Posted: 2/28/2007 8:58:52 PM

To me it's simple. The government doesn't have the right to prevent me a choice for spending some of my free money. Isn't this a capitalist democracy?

So let's see, I can go fight a useless war and die but I can't lay some dough on march madness. This is madness.

Besides, shouldn't our government be handling more serious problems. Why didn't we get Social Security or Medicare cleared up first? Those are just a little more important than this.

Wait a minute. The president can't even dribble a basketball. That explains everything.
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Posted: 3/3/2007 10:01:05 PM
EDW- WHAT A friggin IDIOT!  Sorry. I could not control my self  as it relates to his acid induced post.
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Posted: 3/6/2007 6:08:46 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Edw:

 First of all, welcome, i hope that you enjoy reading this lines and that after you read this, you got the power to give yourself a chance to have your life back, and to enjoy your days putting more attention and dedicating more time to the important things that really matters in life...

 I´ll have to say, that this is gonna be my first & only post ever here... So, you can try to learn something from this message, or you can just read it and pass away without putting any atention on it.   

I feel that its time for someone to stand up & say something really relevant against this devastating Oficial Gambling Industry...

 

 MLB, NBA, NFL, plus all those sports managed organizations including the College Sports Programs of the NCAA are obviously manipulated by an Sportsbook & Casino's Organized MAFIA, with the support & the knowlege of the National Goverment. For some people this is hard to believe, but I know that this is a 100% true.

 Gamblin is a really profitable industry that the Goverment cares & protect with an special attention. Las Vegas is the money machine that support a big part of the whole United States Economy, so, dont be surprised about the rules and/or the Laws that the Congress & Goverment pronounce against the offshore + Internet based gambling platforms... All those Laws & regulations are just trying to put away the huge profits and the benefits that this Industry gives every day to those ones that are not official conected to the MAFIA, and for those ones that are not giving them their ^piece of the cake¨ that they think they Deserve as they are the Oficial Business Managers & the Industry Creators... You have to know that they have been working for years to make this Industry a profitable business, so they want it all, this is their rule number one..., if you are not one of them, you are against them, and they will keep fighting untill they take you away from their Business.

 As they know that gambling is an oficial fraud, they dont want any Internet Offshore Bookies ¨steal¨ the money of United States Citizens, thats why they are putting all their effort in the fight against Internet Gambling. They know that those bookies are ¨stolen¨ the peoples money and not giving them even a penny from their huge profits. This is absolubtly unaceptable for them, thy take that like a nockdown punch in the head...

 

 To end up this article, let me explain you some details to let you know a little bit how the Oficial System works for Vegas.

 

 All the Sportbooks & Casino`s in Las Vegas are conected to an intranet beting program...that platform System, at the time the games goes underway... provide them all the information to let them now all the most popular & heavy bets of those games and all the teams that are the principal ¨stakes¨ of all the tickets that are already sold. With that information details, they make their move and controled the games, from a closed Circuit place that they use to call the ¨Black Room¨, they have inside access & full conection to every single game, they ruled & managed the officials about how they will call that game. With that kind of Hight Tecnology Systems and all those persons by their side, its imposible for the bettors to have benefits in a long term.

 

 Its not a coincidence that you saw those huge Big favorites and the most popular bets falling that often...

 Its not a coincidence that when you are watching a game you just saw some really rare things that happend to afect the favorite team of the contest, there are some incredible mistakes and bad calls that you`ll never expect to happend... Its just Ridiculous. But what can you do?, you just can watch and trait to believe what you are watching, because its ¨true¨. But this is not happend in the game naturaly...(they are making this happend), sometimes you have to make and extra effort to stay calm because otherwise you will get that Mad that would broke the remote control, or even the TV, the PC or the Laptop. 

  

 

 
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