I-Gaming Prohibition Bill on the Verge of Passing

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Posted: 9/29/2006 9:56:22 PM
Frist....prolly a closet pedophile
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Posted: 9/29/2006 9:57:46 PM
all of these old fossils need to be RETIRED. I don't see one person there that looks under 50
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Posted: 9/29/2006 9:58:30 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by NJDevils:

there has to be a way around it. hell, f'n drugs are illegal and i dont see people having too much trouble getting those things all over the place
There will surely be a rise in the number and availability of local bookies looking for sports action, We should all boycott the lotteries, and force individual states to pass their own gambling laws due to lack of funds from no one buying lottery tickets anymore, and Give a shout, Vote Republicans out.
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Posted: 9/29/2006 9:58:52 PM
so if this makes banks, neteller ect liable then what ?
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Posted: 9/29/2006 9:58:55 PM
This bill is 100% on part lines - all reps are for it, all dems against it.
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Posted: 9/29/2006 9:59:51 PM
I said I would never post again...but darn it. These hypocritical guy. That fool from Florida, Foley), resigned today because he was sending explicit emails to male pages (person).
 
I bet frist is a friggin pedophile too. THESE MOTHERFUCKING COCKSUCKING fool!!!
 
This country is fucked.
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Posted: 9/29/2006 10:00:00 PM
man I think i should just be a bookie!  How would i get that started
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Posted: 9/29/2006 10:00:12 PM
darn it, i should book, there are enough morons out there. i should be asking them to pass this.
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Posted: 9/29/2006 10:00:30 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by throwback559:

so if this makes banks, neteller ect liable then what ?
 
It means the banks and the netellers are the ones held responsible - NOT YOU.
 
There is nothing in the bill about criminalization for the gambler.
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Posted: 9/29/2006 10:00:49 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by throwback559:

so if this makes banks, neteller ect liable then what ?
 
It's game over for neteller and all payment processors, despite what anyone else tells you. It's b/s crap. There will be workarounds. I'll just open up a bank in england or something.
 
Bible thumping maggots.
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Posted: 9/29/2006 10:01:36 PM
Vanzack- I understand that they are trying to ban the processing part of it but if we can't fund or retrieve money from our online accounts how will the industry survive.  Other than banning websites from the net this isn't problably the biggest threat to online gambling.  I doubt seriously that they would be knocking at my door to take me off to jail for gambling but preventing me to sending and receiving money would about neuter my gambling activities all together.
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Posted: 9/29/2006 10:01:58 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by throwback559:

man I think i should just be a bookie!  How would i get that started
 
The funny thing is that bookies and organized crime are sitting home toasting this bill right now.
 
The stupid people in washington are going to publicize that internet gambling is illegal, the media will pick it up, and every joe public will go and find a bookie.
 
Unbeleivable. 
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Posted: 9/29/2006 10:04:09 PM
wool worth, i can see that US banks would be held liable for this, but neteller is a different case because it is based in the UK. It is not so cut and dry with neteller.
 
darn YOU FRIST
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Posted: 9/29/2006 10:05:12 PM
vanzack...you are absolutely right. the bookies are celebrating tonight!
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Posted: 9/29/2006 10:05:40 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by TheFastFreddie:

Vanzack- I understand that they are trying to ban the processing part of it but if we can't fund or retrieve money from our online accounts how will the industry survive.  Other than banning websites from the net this isn't problably the biggest threat to online gambling.  I doubt seriously that they would be knocking at my door to take me off to jail for gambling but preventing me to sending and receiving money would about neuter my gambling activities all together.
 
Good question.
 
Let me tell you some realities.
 
Right now, eft's are not coded at all.  That means that your bank has no idea if an eft is coming form a legitimate company, your mother, or a sportsbook.  This bill would require EFT's to be coded.  I dont think anyone here understands the magnitude of this.  The banks say they cant do it - it would cost a fortune.  The bill itself allows for 270 days to find a way to do it - acknowledging that it is difficult to even enforce - if at all.
 
They certainly dont code cashiers checks or personal checks.  How would your bank know that you are recieving or writing a check to a sportsbook in a FOREIGN SOVEREIGN NATION!?!?!?!  They cant.
 
Its political and unenforceable.
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Posted: 9/29/2006 10:05:46 PM
t means the banks and the netellers are the ones held responsible - NOT YOU.
 
There is nothing in the bill about criminalization for the gambler.

Understood.
However, I think the concern here is how would you get your money out or fund your account from this point forward.
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Posted: 9/29/2006 10:07:27 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by vanzack:

 
It means the banks and the netellers are the ones held responsible - NOT YOU.
 
There is nothing in the bill about criminalization for the gambler.
 
so if my Banks finds out i have money coming in from off shore books what would they do?
 
and I need neteller
 
 
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Posted: 9/29/2006 10:08:00 PM
And let me tell you all something about Neteller.

THEY ARE A LEGAL COMPANY ON THE LONDON STOCK EXCHANGE.
 
Do you guys really think if an Amsterdam pot bar sells pot to an American that they are breaking the law?  American law applies to Americans and American jurisdiction - it does not apply to SOVEREIGN NATIONS.
 
Pinnacle and Neteller are under no obligation to follow US law UNLESS THEY WANT TO.
 
Get a clue.
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Posted: 9/29/2006 10:08:23 PM
Vanzack I really want to believe you, but I just think Neteller will comply. They will follow the law, no matter how retarded it is.
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Posted: 9/29/2006 10:09:31 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by throwback559:

 
so if my Banks finds out i have money coming in from off shore books what would they do?
 
and I need neteller
 
 
 
They cant come after you.
 
If possible, they could eliminate neteller from making EFT's into your account.
 
If this happens and Neteller chooses to find a way to keep funding US clients - its as simple as them sending you a check.  There is no way for your bank to know where a check comes from.
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Posted: 9/29/2006 10:10:35 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by wool_worths:

Vanzack I really want to believe you, but I just think Neteller will comply. They will follow the law, no matter how retarded it is.
 
If they comply - they will certainly give you a chance to get all of your money you have there.
 
Neteller is not going to endanger their worldwide business by stealing your money.
 
Please.  Get a clue.  They are as big as Bank of America for Gods sakes.
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Posted: 9/29/2006 10:11:08 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by vanzack:

 
They cant come after you.
 
If possible, they could eliminate neteller from making EFT's into your account.
 
If this happens and Neteller chooses to find a way to keep funding US clients - its as simple as them sending you a check.  There is no way for your bank to know where a check comes from.
That is true.  Most offshore companies use US checks
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Posted: 9/29/2006 10:12:19 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by vanzack:

 
They cant come after you.
 
If possible, they could eliminate neteller from making EFT's into your account.
 
If this happens and Neteller chooses to find a way to keep funding US clients - its as simple as them sending you a check.  There is no way for your bank to know where a check comes from.
 
well were fuked , cant use neteller , banks are gona get strict ,
 
what are we gona do
 
I dont even have  a local 
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Posted: 9/29/2006 10:12:48 PM
KEEP IN MIND THAT EVERY OPINION I AM STATING HERE IS BASED ON THE LANGUAGE IN THE BILL NOT CONTAINING ANYTHING ABOUT THE WIRE ACT BEING UPDATED.
 
If that happens - then we are totally fucked.
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Posted: 9/29/2006 10:12:53 PM
We will have a few months anyway to get everything straightened out.  Bush will sign this bill while he is sleeping tonight.  But there is always the check method like VANZACK said...
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