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Posted: 9/24/2006 10:21:44 PM
In some ways Kordell was better than Byron, but not in one very important way, one that is essential in the NFL, and that is handling critics.  He just couldn't do it.  Like Jake Plummer at times, Kordell just couldn't handle bad games and the shots that came with it.  At least Byron can do that. 

Byron is tough.  That's really what he is, he's a tough guy, he doesn't quit, and he will make a play.  Not always when you need it, and he's not a great offensive talent, but he's not on a great offensive team either.  His mechanics are bad and they've never been worked on.  He was drafted because he has that something, that thing where people saw him, like Penny, win games at Marshall that they maybe shouldn't have and they thought, 'we want that, that's a leader.' 

Where is Culpepper on my list, about middle of the pack, mostly because of talent.  He's like a bigger, stronger version of Jake Plummer.  His decisions still suck and sometimes he makes plays just based on talent.  Which is fine, but it's rarely going to get you much more than one playoff win a year if that.
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Posted: 9/24/2006 10:34:22 PM
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doc, if philly doesnt return that fumble its 24-17 and not 31-10. that changed everything
 
1) If SF doesn't fumble, then Philly would not have been so laid back on defense
 
2) 24-17 is still a cover at -6 and Philly went on to score 38 total points. I will accept the small portion of your argument and if you give SF 7 more points, it would have been 1 pt away from the cover.
 
Even though getting only 6 pts, I still never heard 1 argument as to why SF was the play other than some public fade mumbo jumbo.
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Posted: 9/24/2006 10:45:03 PM
If Byron won't ever win a superbowl, then why let him play quarterback for your team
 
Kordell went to WR, but still had better mechanics and even decison making MOST of the time than Byron. 
 
Jack del rio treated him like a baby this game, and didn't even really let Byron play QB, he was throwing these 3 yard passes all game, and still almost throwing picks
 
106 yards and 2 INTS against the colts defense is pittiful
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Posted: 9/24/2006 10:58:37 PM
OK, I'm going to sound like a Byron apologist here, but...
 
He played a hell of a game against Dallas in week one, IMO.  He was decent last week against a tough Steeler D, and he struggled today - albeit against a decent Indy defense, not a top 10 D, but respectable. 
 
Byron has some plusses.  He's got a gun and he is one tough S.O.B. He is fairly accurate.  He is a sitting duck in the pocket, however, and has a tough time dealing with constant pressure (as most QB's do). 
 
Kordell was a WR playing QB.  He had NO arm strength, NO accuracy, and poor decision making skills.  He was repeatedly a baby in his career as a Steeler, even going so far as to cry on the sideline.  That is no leader.  Comparing Byron to Kordell is being awfully tough on him... 
 
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Posted: 9/24/2006 11:07:40 PM
Hell of a game against dallas???
He was throwing jump balls to his receivers
 
Hell of a game against the steelers?
Did his team even score a touchdown?
 
Look at todays game against the colts... the colts pass defense
106 yards and 2 INT
 
How did kordell have no arm strength, the guy threw the most famous 75 yard hail mary in college football history. 
 
Kordell didn't have good decision making in the big playoff games ( like Byron last year), but he was managing games in the regular season. 
 
Kordell also didn't have dogshit mechanics, wind up, slow release, and bad footwork like Byron.
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Posted: 9/24/2006 11:15:42 PM
giants on D are awful. they go get arrington and then they have him sit in the middle of the field in pass coverage while they get no pressure on the QB and guys run through their garbage secondary all goddamn day
 
the patriots organization may have gotten too smug for their own good, you cant just dump players and think that because your coach is good that you will keep winning
 
maybe mike martz wasnt the reason the rams red zone offense sucked. they still suck
 
i learned that i am aggravated that i have not bet against culpepper any of these 3 weeks because he has faced shitty QBs that i am scared to back (batch,losman,collins) i know he sucks and havent made a dime off it
 
i learned that i got lucky to win that bengals bet, they were dead until that muffed punt
 
if i was a Texans fan i would disown the team,how do you not draft reggie bush ,those fans must wanna kill themselves watching Gado and Dayne back there . but hey that Mario Williams has solidified that D
 
 
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Posted: 9/24/2006 11:17:50 PM
Don't look now, and it may mean nothing, but Washington showed up for the first time this season today.  Just hear it in the background.  When they're 100% and once they get on the same page, they do have talent.  No reason to lump them in with the bottom of the barrel.

 

they played the Texans

the Jaguars D will kill them next week
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Posted: 9/24/2006 11:20:13 PM
I've learned pats are a shadow of what they used to be.  or was that last year...
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Posted: 9/24/2006 11:21:57 PM
Joe awesome info as usual....
 
good read thanks
 
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Posted: 9/24/2006 11:23:07 PM
i learn that the NY FOOTBALL GIANTS MIGHT BE THE BEST 4 QUARTER TEAM IN HISTORY
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Posted: 9/24/2006 11:26:53 PM
This game is over.

I want to believe it's not, but it is.
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Posted: 9/24/2006 11:28:39 PM
Leftwich vs. Dallas 23-34, 237 yards, 1 TD.  Yeah, that is a pretty damn good game IMO. 
 
Vs. Pittsburgh 26-39, 260 yards.  Yes that's a pretty good game, too.  I didn't say that one was a "hell of a game."  Not great, but good.  He came out with a win on national TV against the Super Bowl champs.
 
Clearly today, he played a poor game.
 
His career QB rating is 80.7 - very respectable.  Much better than Kordell's 70.7 - a pretty poor rating.
 
Yes, I shouldn't have said KS has NO arm strength.  He did throw that one 73 yards in the fly and clearly that is fantastic...   But we really didn't see that too much in Pittsburgh.  Maybe I am being too hard on Kordell. LOL
 
Good points about Byron's windup and slow release - I agree with you there...  He would crumble under a bad o-line.   
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Posted: 9/24/2006 11:30:55 PM
Whoops, wrong thread.  But I can make a point here.

Tom Brady hasn't looked very good to me at all this year.  They looked lost in week one until they came back against what I consider not a very good team, and they did it at home.

Then they let the Jets come back on them and after the game Brady sounded like they'd lost the game.  He was flustered by the loss of Branch.   And tonight he's had his head down all night save for their one TD. 

I don't know what's going on with the Pats, but it's not pretty.

Oh, and I don't really know what this Denver defense is doing, but they appear--appear to be--pretty good.
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Posted: 9/24/2006 11:31:48 PM
holmgren's quote right there about being 'too conservative' is all you need to know about seattle 2nd half plays.
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Posted: 9/24/2006 11:33:52 PM
joe they only didnt allow NO TD FOR 2 GAMES bro....... 11 quarters..... untill the 4th, very good defense
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Posted: 9/24/2006 11:34:34 PM
Packer OVERs should be on your list as well Joe
 
-Steelers have the best O-Line in football.Berger had 10 seconds on every snap
 
-Houston is still an expansion team
 
-Don't ever bet against Seattle at home
 
-Zona is still Zona
 
-Pats need some receivers (Maroney looks like a player)
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Posted: 9/24/2006 11:34:35 PM
Leftwich is a horrible QB on a good defensive team that carrys him most of the time IMO
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Posted: 9/24/2006 11:35:45 PM
HOCKEY STEELERS O-LINE SURE SHOW ON MONDAY NIGHT VS THE JAGZ
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Posted: 9/24/2006 11:36:27 PM
Leftwich didnt play a great game but that fool kicker turned that game by missing a 20yd Fg in a f'n dome when the game was 7-7
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Posted: 9/24/2006 11:37:20 PM
 RRRRRRRRRRRRRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUF RRRRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUF RRRRRRRUFFFFFFFFFFF THATS THE SOUNDS OF DAWGZ BARKING IN WEEK 3 FELLAS
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Posted: 9/24/2006 11:37:42 PM
Ive learned that the patriots are not the team of the past....not even close...this may be a team to bet against with linesmakers giving them lines and the stupid public jumping all over it thinking they can cover.  N.E. is just an average team IMO..middle of the pack
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Posted: 9/24/2006 11:39:28 PM
I want to believe that Mok, but I watched them last week and though they never allowed the TD, they let KC run all over the field for a while with a backup QB. 

We know now that St. Louis is a mess in the redzone, so even though the Broncos held tight, now that comes into question a bit as well. 

I do want to believe this defense is good, and maybe they are, but I'd really like to see them go up against Cincy or Indy to prove it.

However, Denver sets up well for the next few weeks.  Look at this:

Week 4 - bye
Week 5 - Baltimore
Week 6 - Oakland
Week 7 - @ Cleveland

Only in Week 8 do they really get a test and that's from Indy, and they play that game in Denver.  Of course, immediately after that they go to Pittsburgh, but by then they should be 5-2 at worst.
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Posted: 9/24/2006 11:41:10 PM
Come on Mokiban, Leftwich had the 9th highest QB rating in the entire NFL last year.  He threw 10 more TD's than he did INT's.  How in the hell can you say he is HORRIBLE?  Byron is clearly not an elite QB, but he is NOT horrible.
 
 
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Posted: 9/24/2006 11:42:44 PM
Joe im seeing money SIGN............ POUND ON THE UNDER?
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Posted: 9/24/2006 11:44:58 PM
BALT/OAK/BROWNS/ VS DENVER? I BET vegas odds maker  wont  dare TOP the total out over 33 for any of those matchup
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