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Posted: 8/12/2006 10:49:40 AM
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So then why did the ice age end?  If is wasn't because of evil americans driving H2s, then what was it?  Maybe the earth naturally heats and cools itself like I have been saying?
 
Canada was 1 giant icecube... why did it melt?
 
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Posted: 8/12/2006 10:50:36 AM
I love how somebody is an idiot if they don't believe in global warming, but if I really ask you why you believe in it, the argument would come down to some things you saw on the evening new ( and how hot it is outside right now)
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Posted: 8/12/2006 11:35:31 AM

Let's see, the concentration of gases that are mostly transparent to shorter wave electromagnetic radiation (you know, from the sun) , and are mostly opaque to longer wave electromagnetic radiation (you know, from the earth) have been increasing over the last 150-200 years (you know since the industrial age began).  CO2 is up by over a third, methane has doubled.  And the rate of increase in concentrations has increased (c-gold, when a rate increases, that is known as acceleration).  Now, since average temperatures continue to increase, there is also more water vapor (a powerful greenhouse gas) in the air, up about 20% in the last 25 years.

As global temperatures continue to rise (hey c-gold, apparently you would be surprised by this, but even a seemingly small rise in global average temsp. a degree or two, can have profound effects on the global climate, you know as the fresh water in ice caps melt, ocean water salinity changes, which can effect ocean current patterns and effect, as KU said, it's not really the atmosphewre that drives the climate, it's the oceans, and even a seemingly small change in air temps, can result in big changes to the ocean, which can cause huge changes in the climate), ice caps, glaciers, etc. melt faster, changing the albedo of the earths surface, less ice cap, more ocean and land surface, less reflectivity, more global warming, it's a vicious cycle.

 

Glad KU informed you that volcanic eruptions actually tend to decrease global temps,  by blocking solar radiation, but nice try on Mt St. Helens. 

 

Interestingly, the rate of increase in global temperatures has increased (c-gold, this is acceleration, see above) during the same time that the increase in "greenhouse gases" due to manking activities has occurred.

 

Your revelation that the earth has natural heating and cooling cycles is great to know, we had ice ages?  Wow, thanks for the info.  From what I have read however, it takes many thousand of years for these natural cycles to occur.  The overwhelming consensus of the pertinent scientific community is that the change in global average temperatures has accelerated (c-gold, see above), due to the change in greenhouse gases.

 

Mankind would be monumentally stupid not to try extremely hard to minimize the effect we have on the global climate when doing nothing has the great potential to have consequences far greater that all the war, famine and pestilence in the human history combined.

 

That our activities have accelerated the temperature increase in the current cycle we are in is indusputible.  What the effects will be is harder to determine, but if we can do certain things to lower the chance that there will be catastrophic climate changes, then I think we should try.  

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Posted: 8/12/2006 11:35:59 AM
And on this subject, apparently you are an idiot.
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Posted: 8/12/2006 12:08:54 PM
Your revelation that the earth has natural heating and cooling cycles is great to know, we had ice ages?  Wow, thanks for the info.  From what I have read however, it takes many thousand of years for these natural cycles to occur.  The overwhelming consensus of the pertinent scientific community is that the change in global average temperatures has accelerated (c-gold, see above), due to the change in greenhouse gases.
 
So where were you for thousands and thousands of years while Canada was melting away into the great lakes?  Were you a GREEN caveman?  Were there a lot of GREEDY, wolly mamouth riders out there spawning global warming?
 
Canada melts from a giant Ice rock, and now your saying that a 1 degree rise in temperature in 100 years is a devastating enviornmental issue. 
 
Was the global freezing and cooling 10-20 years ago a deadly issue as well?
 
my question to you. 
If you walked up to 1,000 people ( or maybe idiots) on the street, and asked them how much the earth has "WARMED" in the last 100 years... What do you think the responses would be? 
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Posted: 8/12/2006 1:24:02 PM
"my question to you. 
If you walked up to 1,000 people ( or maybe idiots) on the street, and asked them how much the earth has "WARMED" in the last 100 years... What do you think the responses would be?  "
 
Probably as stupid as your position that the actual warming occurring NOW is not significantly the result of human activity IN ADDITION TO the natural cycle of global temperature variations.
 
Otherwise, there is no need to discuss this with you any longer, since you obviously have no idea what you are talking about.
 
 
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Posted: 8/12/2006 5:13:17 PM
So if mother nature melts away the polar Ice caps... that is fine
 
but when cars come into play, and the earth heats up 1 degree ( which is not even all from us), then people should be called out, and the media should perform their duty of making car drivers feel like worhless selfish people.
 
Maybe in this new century ( and millenium), we should all perminantly lock our cars in our garages, so the earth won't heat up 1 more degree.  I mean we wouldn't want a catastrophe on our childrens hands.
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Posted: 8/12/2006 10:10:50 PM
There is not one 1 reputable scientist that denies global warming is occurring. There are only a handful of
 scientists that deny that our emissions are contributing, Even the study conducted by the the National
 Academy of Sciences at the behest of George ( Chauncey Gardner ) Bush has supported that. Now you
 can argue that this is just a natural cycle that has occurred throughout 1000 or more years of history
 that we can accurately record but you cant argue that modern industry and overpopulation and the raping
 of our natural forest land,pollution of our waterways and the extinction of many animal and plant species
 is irrelevant. When there are no glaciers in Glacier National Park, Eskimos are buying air conditioners,
 Armadillos have migrated north as far as Tennessee, ice shelves the size of Rhode Island are breaking
 off the Antarctic, London has plus 90 degree temps, the Maldive Islands have dropped from 12 feet above
 sea level to 6 in the last 25 years, the North pole is recording temps in the 40's and the water temperature
 in the Gulf of Mexico has risen 1 degree in 40 years (as opposed to 300 years in the past) dont tell me
 that nothing different is happening, The fact that the world is an industrialized, chemical and biological
 hotbed compared to the dinosaur age and thereabouts has to have some effect.
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Posted: 8/13/2006 3:52:12 AM
how can people be sure that these years have been the warmest ever...what kind of devices did they have for telling temperature back in the 1800's?  how about before that when the dinosaurs roamed the earth?
 
also of course its gonna get hotter over time...the f'n sun is hot and its beating down on the planet for billions of years , sooner or later shits gonna warm up
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Posted: 8/13/2006 9:20:03 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by NJDevils:

how can people be sure that these years have been the warmest ever...what kind of devices did they have for telling temperature back in the 1800's?  how about before that when the dinosaurs roamed the earth?
 
also of course its gonna get hotter over time...the f'n sun is hot and its beating down on the planet for billions of years , sooner or later shits gonna warm up
 
Wow, NJ, can't argue with that.  You obviously have a firm grasp on  global climatology.
 
1800's:  questionable thermometers
 
Just before that we had the dinosaurs.  The cavemen of that time had no thermometers I'm sure.
 
The sun be keep shining, so temps are bound to increase.
 
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Posted: 8/13/2006 11:02:12 AM
I put those who don't believe in global warming in the sam catergory as those who beleive Iraq had something to do with 9/11.
 
You can not reason with this type, so don't even try.
 
 
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Posted: 8/13/2006 2:27:59 PM
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how can people be sure that these years have been the warmest ever...what kind of devices did they have for telling temperature back in the 1800's?  how about before that when the dinosaurs roamed the earth?
 
They did have theromaters back then.  The problem with composing world temperatures is difficult though.  World temperatures from many citiies, or 1 place, etc.  We actually have temperature records dating back from the 1500s though.  And NO, the world is not melting away since those past 500 years.  1 degree in 100 years.
 
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There is not one 1 reputable scientist that denies global warming is occurring.
It is, but 1 degree in 100 years is hardly anything to cry about.  It is hardly a reason to push to make people feel bad, and to make movie after movie about enviornmental doomsday.
 
There are only a handful of scientists that deny that our emissions are contributing,
Are our emissions contributing... probably.  But the contributions are vastly overstated.  I mean how much could cars really be heating the earth up if there is a 1 degree temperature rise in 100 years?  If the earth naturally heats and cools itself, what is the chance that maybe it NATURALLY heated itself 1 measly degree?
 
Your emotional examples are a joke.  You think 90 degree temperstures in London means we should panic.  You think because ICE is melting in the north pole that we should stop driving cars. I'll bet before you saw FOX news, you didn't know that was happening in the first place. 
 
Lifemisspent-
I put those who don't believe in global warming in the sam catergory as those who beleive Iraq had something to do with 9/11.
 
I feel the exact opposite.  The people who believe in global warming never actually explored the issue.  They see pictures of hurricanes and think that they never happened in history.  They see pictures of ice melting and forget that canada the giant ice rock melted.  The best part is that the global warming "debate" always seems thrown into the forumn right around the hottest days of the year.  Funny how that works.  90 degrees in London must mean that WE fucked up our planet. 
 
Like I said, I would love to poll people on just how much the earth has heated up.  I would love to ask some green liberal college professors with their pony tails down to their fool, just how many degrees the earth has heated in the last 100 years. 
 
I really believe global warning is the greatest scam spoon fed to the sheep public.  They see pictures on TV and FEEL hot in the summer so it must be true.
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Posted: 8/13/2006 3:45:38 PM
Well if C-Gold really believes it is a scam it must be so.  The thousands of scientists who say otherwise must be wrong.
 
Another sad example of the ignorance in our society:  C-Gold.
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Posted: 8/13/2006 3:53:59 PM
Sorry, I forgot my earlier post, it is futile to argue about this with c-gold due his cluelessness.
 
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Posted: 8/13/2006 4:39:30 PM
I guess you have better things to do... like look at rocks
 
Some rockhead said cars are bad, so maybe I will trade my car in for a BMX bycle so the earth doesn't heat another degree in my grandkids lifetime
 
I put those who don't believe in global warming in the sam catergory as those who beleive Iraq had something to do with 9/11.
 
I wonder how much DATA, these people have actually checked out.  The only DATA I hear on the news, is how X number of icebergs melted last year... well how many melted the year before, the decade, before, and the century before?
 
You see, people have a logical reason to believe in global warming ( cars), so they DO believe in it.  You give them an inch, you take a mile. 
 
Hey rockhead, I wonder how many people actually looked at the data and made up their own mind?  I wonder how many people just had their mind made up for them?
 
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Posted: 8/13/2006 5:15:49 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by C-Gold:

I guess you have better things to do... like look at rocks
 
Some rockhead said cars are bad, so maybe I will trade my car in for a BMX bycle so the earth doesn't heat another degree in my grandkids lifetime
 
I put those who don't believe in global warming in the sam catergory as those who beleive Iraq had something to do with 9/11.
 
I wonder how much DATA, these people have actually checked out.  The only DATA I hear on the news, is how X number of icebergs melted last year... well how many melted the year before, the decade, before, and the century before?
 
You see, people have a logical reason to believe in global warming ( cars), so they DO believe in it.  You give them an inch, you take a mile. 
 
Hey rockhead, I wonder how many people actually looked at the data and made up their own mind?  I wonder how many people just had their mind made up for them?
 
 
Again, idiot, I am not talking about people, youknow, the know nothing public, of which you are obviously a part.
 
i am talking about thousands of scientists.
 
I like this one: 
 
You see, people have a logical reason to believe in global warming ( cars), so they DO believe in it.  You give them an inch, you take a mile. 
 
Gibberish
 
 
 
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Posted: 8/13/2006 9:45:05 PM
anyone who thinks this planet isnt being overly abused by man to the point where natural processes cannot compensate for said abuse - that you can, as but 1 example, deforest this place at the rate going on, and that has gone on for decades, and think it'll have no consequences on a host of fronts, the weather being one of them - is either a card carrying member of the retards society, or a voter for GW.
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Posted: 8/13/2006 11:00:24 PM
People have been crying about deforestation and other enviornmental problems since the year 1000 AD ( in england)
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Posted: 8/14/2006 2:07:06 AM
gotta love ruffcutter...needs to emphasize every point he attempts to make by calling people that he disagrees with an idiot or some other name.  people on the left are so intolerant of other views arent they?
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QUOTE Originally Posted by C-Gold:

People have been crying about deforestation and other enviornmental problems since the year 1000 AD ( in england)
 
That post says nothing. People complain about everything under the sun, all the time. Being right or wrong over previous centuries means precisely what, now? Did those people complain with the population numbers and technological proficiencies current in our world? Could those people complain that their world was subject to desertification process speeds which our present day world is subject to?
 
4.9 Numerous publications deal with the issue of acceleration of natural desertification processes in the modern period due to human activities (cf. bibl. entries 21, 27. 31. 43. 46, 51, 64. 78, 94, 98, 100, 102, 123, 125, 129. 136, 146). The greenhouse effect created by modern industrialization and urbanization also contributes to desertification (cf. bibl. entries 26. 98).
 
The fact remains that prior to the Industrial Age coming of age, man simply wasnt in a position to threaten the Earth's natural processes from overcoming any immediate damage he could inflict on the elements inherent in those processes successful functioning. So prior to now (now being sometime in the mid to late 20th century, I'd personally pinpoint the creation/proliferation of Nuclear weapons as the coming of age point, given a mass launch (since) would have massively disruptive effects that would thwart those normal, natural processes) any *doomsdayers or luddites* could only writ large locally observed damage more out of fear, than fact.
 
 
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Posted: 8/14/2006 10:19:03 AM
NJ, Have not called you an idiot.  There is no disagreement though.
 
I'm a liberal because I am convinced by thousands of climatoligists and meteoroligists that global warming is caused in part by human activities?
 
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typical limousine liberal hypocrite...in both hollywood and in washington


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QUOTE Originally Posted by ruffcutter2006:

NJ, Have not called you an idiot.  There is no disagreement though.
 
I'm a liberal because I am convinced by thousands of climatoligists and meteoroligists that global warming is caused in part by human activities?
 
Whatever.
 
"In part".. stuff was gonna warm up anyway .  BTW none of this will ever matter because long before all this garbage melts and floods the earth  the humans will bomb the f'ck out of each other and radiation will be our biggest problem. so stop worrying and go buy a hummer (if you can afford the f'n gas prices)
 
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Well it's only the US and the Russians who could more or less destroy the earth with nukes.
 
That won't happen anymore.
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Posted: 8/14/2006 8:10:03 PM
I'm a liberal because I am convinced by thousands of climatoligists and meteoroligists that global warming is caused in part by human activities?
 
I glad that you read thousands and thousands of reports by climatoligists, and meterologists. 
 
Since your such an expert, how can you explain the global warming that took place before cars made their way into our driveways?  Maybe you could explain how Canada melted, and give us some appoximate statistics on the rate the icecaps melted BEFORE us pesky humans started driving cars, shipping with trains, etc? 
 
Remember, I am a dumbass and these answers are so easy to explain, so please put it in Laymans terms...
 
You see, when I was in college, my liberal professer with a pony tail down to his fool kept preaching global warming, but he sort of forgot to include actual "numbers" in his TREES ARE GOOD speaches.
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