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Posted: 8/10/2006 7:11:44 PM
Interesting article..............
 
 
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Posted: 8/10/2006 7:16:17 PM
Of course he doesn't believe in Global warming... It is the biggest scam of all-time...
 
But he does want to coinvince people he cares... He does want to coinvince GREEN LIBERALS he cares, so that he can rally support and make it back to the white house...
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Posted: 8/10/2006 7:39:20 PM
C-Gold, I know how science is anathema to people like you (unless it can be applied to sate your wargasm desires), but please explain to me why the 24 warmest years ever recorded have occurred in the last 25 years? Is it a magical coincidence? And please, don't cut and paste a link from NewsMaxx or World Net Daily which make the Daily Show and the Colbert Report look like the MacNeil Lehrer News Hours.

It's funny that those who dispute scientific fact have as much scientific knowledge as a nose-picking, behind-digging second grader.

BiffPocoroba, Bachelor of Science, Chemistry, Emory University 1999
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Posted: 8/10/2006 7:45:45 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by BiffPocoroba:

C-Gold, I know how science is anathema to people like you (unless it can be applied to sate your wargasm desires), but please explain to me why the 24 warmest years ever recorded have occurred in the last 25 years? Is it a magical coincidence? And please, don't cut and paste a link from NewsMaxx or World Net Daily which make the Daily Show and the Colbert Report look like the MacNeil Lehrer News Hours.

It's funny that those who dispute scientific fact have as much scientific knowledge as a nose-picking, behind-digging second grader.

BiffPocoroba, Bachelor of Science, Chemistry, Emory University 1999
 
Actually I will give you a link that could say otherwise.  I remember back in the 70's and early 80's we were told we were going to have another ice age because of everything we were doing.  Now it causing heat.  You can't have it both ways.
 
Here you go.
 
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.asp?Page=/Nation/archive/200608/NAT20060804c.html
 
 
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Posted: 8/10/2006 7:48:32 PM
BiffPocoroba- 
 
The warmest 24 years ( in recent time), may have occured in the past 24 years, but the warmest 50, and 100 years may have also occured in the last 100 years.
 
That might raise alarm, but when you consider a given year might be warmer than previous, but it might be .0000001 years warmer on average... by the way, how do you compute exactly how warm a year is ( it's not the easiest job in the world)...  You also act like these temperature records go back really far ( they don't).
 
- Last 100 years, earth has warmed less than 1.5 degrees. ( you guys act like the temperature rose 10 degrees in 2 decades or something...
 
but how would you know, you saw a special on TV that tola ya the earth is warming.
 
Sheep like yourself ignore:
 
- The earth naturally heats and cools itself
( Thats why canada was once a giant piece of Ice)
 
Did fred flintstones gas from his car melt canada?
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Posted: 8/10/2006 7:50:50 PM
Lippsman:
 
The best is what the evening news does their bi-yearly propaganda...
 
In the coldest days of winter they spread the "world is cooling" propaganda
then in the dog days of summer a few years later we hear the " icecaps are melting" propaganda
 
 
 
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Posted: 8/10/2006 7:52:49 PM
I'm just going to leave the fact that you don't believe in global warming aside, in some ways because you're a smart guy and your position on that simply baffles me.

But I will say this about Al Gore.  I have friends who have dealt with this guy personally going back to his days in the Senate who have said he's basically a lying sack of s**t.  Granted, they're conservatives, but I trust their assessment of their dealings with the guy without question.

Sure, once you get to that level you kind of expect them to all be a little slimy, but apparently Al can be a real *sshole.
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Posted: 8/10/2006 8:05:42 PM
CNS News Service? They're just like NewsMaxx and World Net Daily.

You just regurgiatate the same bile culled from dubious news sources. I have to admit, the right wing has done an admirable job of inculcating your ilk with scientific nonsense. Polar ice caps melting? Snows of Kilimanjaro melting? Glacier National Park namesake melting? Just natural phenomena.

Apparently the CO2 from combusted alkanes are magically absorbed the covalent bond fairy in your world. And please spare me the "it's-all-absorbed-by-plant-life-via-photosynthesis" bilge perpetrated by that titan of biology, Ronald Reagan.
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Posted: 8/10/2006 8:07:33 PM
Hey didnt Al Gore invent the Internet back in the days  But you know, in strange way, i'd rather al gore use the environment issue as a sales pitch than some extremist belief like david suzuki (famous canadian environmentalist zealot backing everything from kyoto accord to even Cuba's castro...or backing basically everything anti-US, anti-corporation..you know the type)
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Posted: 8/10/2006 8:08:47 PM
Before humans dominated this earth, the earth had vast "ice ages" and more tropical climates... FACT
 
everybody is so worried about the co2 emmited from our fossil fuels, but mother nature is a polluter as well... volcanoes are going off all the time, and they emit all sorts of gasses shot into this atmosphere. 
 
1- Mt St helens shoots more garbage into the atomosphere than millions of people driving to work.
 
I am all about being enviornmentally freindly, but 1 degree in 100 years is hardly proof that WE are damaging the enviornment signifigantly.  MOST scientists say that more funding is needed to study the issue ( inconclusive), but there are a loud few ( that get a lot of press) that say the earth is rapidly heating because of our actions...
 
These scientists are selling themselves for fame.
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Posted: 8/10/2006 8:16:16 PM
I believe it's just the natural cycle of the earth.  It was here way before us and it will be here way after we are gone.
 
And to CNS being dubious.  I guess the facts that are on the books at the National Weather Service are dubious.
 
And inculcating my ilk.  You couldn't carry my ilk buddy.
 
 
 
 
 
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Posted: 8/10/2006 8:22:00 PM
Well, I do believe that humans are contributing to global warming.  If you sit in your house and have a constant fire burning, don't you think that contributes to the warmth of your home?  Why is a planet, albeit much larger but with much greater heat emissions, any different?
 
Now, will global warming destroy the earth?  I have no idea, but I do believe it is real and why darn with something that could be so devastating.  Kinda like friggin a porn star without a condom.  Does she have anything?  I don't know for sure, but there is a chance and that it good enough for me.
 
 
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Posted: 8/10/2006 9:08:27 PM
Well, I don't believe in "Global Warming".  IMO we have hot years and years not so hot.  I do not believe that methane gas from cow flatulance is eating a hole in the ozone layer.  This tells you all you need to know about Al Gore:  he did not carry his home state of Tennessee in the presidential election.  He is now saying that he will not run for president this next time.  Well, just give him a chance, if he thought there was a realistic chance of getting the nomination he would be off like a shot.  I would support him over Hillary C.   Re Global Warming,  I do not criticize those that believe in it, it is your choice.  I might be wrong in my belief, I have been wrong a lot in these many years I have been around.
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Posted: 8/10/2006 9:11:34 PM
No comment, just thought I'd post this for your global warming reading pleasure:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change
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Posted: 8/10/2006 9:16:00 PM
"These scientists are selling themselves for fame." 
 
Yeah. they always get the hottest chicks at the global warming parties.  I can tell I am arguing with some of the great scientific minds on Covers when I read something like that.
 
I would wager that the C-Gold's and the Lippsman's on here have probably not even taken the time to read JUST ONE of the major studies published in the last 2 years on climate change published by say....oh the National Academy of Sciences, or the American Geophysical Union or the American Meteorological Society, or on and on.  You know that would just be fouling your mind with liberal clap-trap.
 
Instead continue to read the highly scientific studies written by the high-priced shills working for Big Oil, or that ever faithful source of truthiness, right-wing talk radio show hosts and Faux News.
 
You know why I would wager that?  Because I see the same old discredited BS brought up every time this subject is talked about here.  C-Gold, you even know what a green house gas is and why it traps heat?  I doubt you do, because you make the same old, completely wrong comparisons lumping volcanic emissions with emissions of CO2.  Two completely opposite ends of the spectrum, one is a solar heat trapper and one is a solar heat reflector, one causes atmospheric warming, one causes atmospheric cooling.  But you did know that, right?  Right.
 
You also know that the most worrisome aspect of all of the global warming factors is that 1.4 degree F atmospheric temperature rise right? Right?  Wrong.  We have dumped 20 times that equivalent heat into the world's oceans during that period of time, heating not just the surface but hundreds of meters into the ocean.  The atmosphere doesn't drive the world's climate, the ocean's do.  The thermal mass that is continually building in the water that covers 3/4 of the Earth is what is tipping the scales now, not the paltry 1.5 F in the atmosphere.
 
So go ahead and keep discounting those 'rock star' atmospheric scientists.  And get back to worrying about how the government is robbing you of the 'good life' because they are taking all your money to pay the $15 million dollar signing bonuses for these scientists when they come out of college early.  In fact, I think that half the endoresement money from those "AIR Jordan"  contracts does go to those weather geeks.
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Posted: 8/10/2006 9:36:07 PM
I think you guys are right... 
 
your even underestimating global warming...
 
It is a unreal how fast the earth is heating...
 
I mean 7months ago in washington DC it was 0 degrees and a cold winter...
 
but now it is only a little bit longer than half a year later and it is 100 degrees...
 
maybe in another 6 months it will be 200 degrees and we will all melt away unless we stop driving cars
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Posted: 8/10/2006 9:37:44 PM
Brilliant 'scientific' analysis C-Gold.  Here have a cookie.
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Posted: 8/10/2006 9:50:18 PM
Just out of curiosity, KU, how do you justify your career with your beliefs on global warming?
 
I'm not being vicious, and honestly I don't know EXACTLY what you do. However, I do know that the world's addiction to oil (thus creating those ozone killing gases) directly benefits you.
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Posted: 8/10/2006 9:54:33 PM
How old are you?
 
30, 40?
 
in more than 2-3 lifetimes, the earth has heated up 1 degree and you have your panties all up in a bunch?  Where were you 10-20 years ago in the "earth is freezing frenzie" movement?
 
did you buy a few cars to heat the earth back up?
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Posted: 8/10/2006 10:25:50 PM
Bobcat:
 
I guess you call it 'prostitution'.  I am not a tree hugger.  But I also don't fit in with the crowd that is my age, my stage in life, and in my profession.  Most of my friends in the oil business are Texas born and bred.  I do not even attempt to discuss politics with them, except maybe briefly.  I come to Covers for that (probably a mistake there also).
 
I am involved in this debate because we have clients that are making some headway in figuring out how to get the 'carbon' back under ground again and lock it up in organic reservoirs (coal).  When this process is figured out, these guys are going to start trading 'carbon credits'.  A 'polluter' will pay my client X amount of dollars to emit carbon dioxide, if my client will pump a Y's worth of CO2 back in the ground.  Whole point is to slow the growth of emissions. Going to be a very lucrative business when we figure it out.  So, I feel good about that part of my 'prostitution' business.  The rest, not so much, but hey, that is how I make a living.
 
And what people don't realize, is that the real bad greenhouse gas is methane, emitted in huge amounts (millions of tons per year) at coal mine entrances.  That is what we are working in China right now for.  China is the number one emitter of methane to the atmosphere.  We are working with them to collect that methane before the mine ever reaches that point in the ground.  Produce it via a wellbore, use it as fuel, and switch China over from a coal burning economy to a natural gas burning economy.  Will clean up the air 10-fold.
 
C-Gold:  I'm 54, have a doctorate in geology.  That study from the 70's was real.  It was also proven wrong a few short years later.  Climate models were so crude back in the 70's- no computers worth mentioning.  Climate trends were showing a progression toward a general cooling.  By the 80's the whole business of climate forecasting changed with computer modeling.  By the 90's the first realiable sea-surface temperature readings were made with satellites.  Up to that point, it was based on measurements made by ships at sea.
 
But that's the beauty of science.  In comes new data, out comes better models and forecasts.  So your position is that anything that was said 35 years ago should be set in stone, and any wavering is some kind of ...how should I say it...'flip-flop'?  Most people in the 14th century said if you sail far enough out to the horizon, you'd fall off the Earth. A little while later, that was proved false.  So what do you want, hold onto the old theory and make fun of the new one because it reversed your course of thinking?
 
And having Gore come out with that video, sets the whole process back in my opinion.  You take a polarizing political figure trying to have a scientific discussion, and you immediately alienate all those that were against him in the first place.  Just dumb.
 
We simply have very little room to play 'science experiment' with the Earth by not critically examing what processes we may be changing.  It's not going to reach a critical stage in my lifetime, but it probably will in my son's, and that is what troubles me the most.
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Posted: 8/10/2006 11:28:54 PM
Ku,
 
Thanks for your honesty.  My "old man" was in the oil business during the "Boom and Bust" of the '80's....so I've heard an ear full from a "True Texan". He's been out of the business for many years, but still keeps up with it.  I've seen many of "Oil field trash" with no concern for the environment end up millionaires! Especially, in the last few years.
 
I'll say this, and I'm not very scientifically inclined. Clearly, the world's climate is not right. I know too many farmers, and I spend WAY to much time drinking beer on my back porch to not notice this. Anyone who says otherwise, hasn't spent enough time outside. With that being said, I won't start hugging a tree, and I'm not convinced that SCIENCE won't be able to over come this!
 
Hell, as I type this post, I'm already banking on the scientific communtiy growing me a new liver!
 
 
 It's good to hear your view on these things.
 
 
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Posted: 8/11/2006 11:39:25 AM
KU: I totally disagree with you on two points.

1. I have seen enough movies to know that the geeky scientist ends up with the hot chick.

2. The real reason for global warming is methane gas produced as a byproduct of cow flatulence. Yes, the world is ending because cows are farting.

A huge number of factors affect methane emission, including diet, barn conditions and whether the cow is lactating, but an average cow in a barn produce 542 liters of methane a day, and 600 liters when out in a field (Adam, 2000).


On a more serious note, whether I agree with you or not, I enjoy your posts because they are well written and informative.
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Posted: 8/11/2006 7:17:40 PM
I am not saying the earth is not heating...
 
What I am saying is that this whole "global warming" panic is vastly overstated.  I'll bet you you walked up to 1,000 people on the street and ask them how much the earth has heated up in the past 100 years, people would vastly OVERRATE the rate at which the earth is heating...
 
The earth is heating up... sure, but hasn't it been warming ever since the Ice age?
 
It just shows that CARS and TRAINS are not the only things that heat the earth.  There is a lot to know out there, and more funding is needed.  But there is a right way to go about to grab that funding.  More global warming specials during the dog days of summer isn't very honest if you ask me.
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Posted: 8/12/2006 10:18:22 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by C-Gold:

Of course he doesn't believe in Global warming... It is the biggest scam of all-time...
 
But he does want to coinvince people he cares... He does want to coinvince GREEN LIBERALS he cares, so that he can rally support and make it back to the white house...
 
C-gold, you are even further removed from reality than I thought if you think global warming is a "scam".
 
I'm not surprised I suppose.
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Posted: 8/12/2006 10:20:48 AM
"Did fred flintstones gas from his car melt canada?"
 
 
Of course not!  Fred used alternative energy in his vehicle (his feet).  Fred was one of the first environmentalists. 
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