Why are republican states always the worts ranked in
1- education 2 - poverty 3 - insured 4 - crime
?
I realize this is an unpopular post but screw all the other dem vs rep posts. These are very real questions that we should really be focusing on.
And before it happens, please spare me the Texas comments. I am very familiar with Texas politics and it as much an example of smoke and mirrors as there is.
Why are republican states always the worts ranked in
1- education 2 - poverty 3 - insured 4 - crime
?
I realize this is an unpopular post but screw all the other dem vs rep posts. These are very real questions that we should really be focusing on.
And before it happens, please spare me the Texas comments. I am very familiar with Texas politics and it as much an example of smoke and mirrors as there is.
Because... Ignorant, poor educated white voters, for whatever reason, have been basically brainwashed into believing a number of things...
- homosexuals are the biggest threat to their way of life
- too many "entitlements"- all the while ignoring the fact that they receive a large proportion of them
- homosexuals marrying somehow violates their beliefs, which are espoused in the family bible propped up on milk crates-
- the delusional notion that one day they might be a 1%er...
-somehow, voting republican makes them more "a patriot"
- to keep their arsenal of weapons- because democrats want to seize them
- a complete lack of understanding of cause and effect (which govt policies help them vs those that hurt them)
I'm generally a fiscal conservative with liberal social views- How people continue to vote against their own self- interest with typically no rationale is baffling-
I view it much like religion- you're a baptist because your parents were-no real thought or rationale is necessary-
Having lived in red states my entire life- the logic of voters always interests me-
Because... Ignorant, poor educated white voters, for whatever reason, have been basically brainwashed into believing a number of things...
- homosexuals are the biggest threat to their way of life
- too many "entitlements"- all the while ignoring the fact that they receive a large proportion of them
- homosexuals marrying somehow violates their beliefs, which are espoused in the family bible propped up on milk crates-
- the delusional notion that one day they might be a 1%er...
-somehow, voting republican makes them more "a patriot"
- to keep their arsenal of weapons- because democrats want to seize them
- a complete lack of understanding of cause and effect (which govt policies help them vs those that hurt them)
I'm generally a fiscal conservative with liberal social views- How people continue to vote against their own self- interest with typically no rationale is baffling-
I view it much like religion- you're a baptist because your parents were-no real thought or rationale is necessary-
Having lived in red states my entire life- the logic of voters always interests me-
Before the 1960s..the red states used to be blue states. About the time of equal rights, school busing, and the assassination of JFK, who pushed for Equal Rights and School busing.
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Before the 1960s..the red states used to be blue states. About the time of equal rights, school busing, and the assassination of JFK, who pushed for Equal Rights and School busing.
The Federal Firearms Act of 1938 required anyone selling or shipping firearms to be licensed through the U.S. Department of Commerce.
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The Gun Control Act of 1968 prohibited mail order sales of rifles and shotguns, increased license requirements for sellers and broadened the list of persons prohibited from owning a firearm to include convicted felons, drug users and the mentally incompetent.
Well, my first thought is that New York, Illinois, California, and Florida come to mind when I think of the worst crime and only one of which is perhaps considered a GOP state.
Secondly, which way would most of the poorly educated and the perpetrators of crime vote if given the opportunity? Well, scratch that....if prison and jail inmates were given a chance to vote which way would they likely vote?
I'm smh but I believe that the most common Liberal solution to any problem is to throw more money at it and I don't think most problems are that simple.
I think the crime rates go hand in hand with poor education or anywhere where parent/s don't raise their kids with a strong value in a good education or intellectual stimulation.
I live in a GOP state and I would submit that there are only maybe one or two places in the whole state where I would be fearful of visiting at most times of the day.
I know DJbrow hates it but I have a second hand personal story. My friend went on vacation to San Diego with his truck and 5th wheel camp trailer. He mistakenly took the wrong freeway exit in SD and within minutes after exiting the freeway were surrounded by SDPD officers that insisted on escorting him back to the freeway.
I have one further question for you mattbrot: If Liberals care so very much about quality education then why do they fight so diligently against a voucher program?
I submit that they are far more worried about making sure the teachers have tenure and that public schools get as many tax dollars as possible.
It's kind of funny to me to see public teachers complain about classroom sizes and then do an about face when given the idea of a voucher program that would decrease the classroom sizes.
Well, my first thought is that New York, Illinois, California, and Florida come to mind when I think of the worst crime and only one of which is perhaps considered a GOP state.
Secondly, which way would most of the poorly educated and the perpetrators of crime vote if given the opportunity? Well, scratch that....if prison and jail inmates were given a chance to vote which way would they likely vote?
I'm smh but I believe that the most common Liberal solution to any problem is to throw more money at it and I don't think most problems are that simple.
I think the crime rates go hand in hand with poor education or anywhere where parent/s don't raise their kids with a strong value in a good education or intellectual stimulation.
I live in a GOP state and I would submit that there are only maybe one or two places in the whole state where I would be fearful of visiting at most times of the day.
I know DJbrow hates it but I have a second hand personal story. My friend went on vacation to San Diego with his truck and 5th wheel camp trailer. He mistakenly took the wrong freeway exit in SD and within minutes after exiting the freeway were surrounded by SDPD officers that insisted on escorting him back to the freeway.
I have one further question for you mattbrot: If Liberals care so very much about quality education then why do they fight so diligently against a voucher program?
I submit that they are far more worried about making sure the teachers have tenure and that public schools get as many tax dollars as possible.
It's kind of funny to me to see public teachers complain about classroom sizes and then do an about face when given the idea of a voucher program that would decrease the classroom sizes.
I would venture a guess that blue states are worse on crime. Chicago alone should pull up the rankings to #1. Detroit, California, New York etc.
I think that most of the above sectors are a function of poverty, which is neither Red nor Blue. I know that West Virginia is a pretty "purple" state that traditionally voted Democratic, but has flipped to Republican, there is still a strong Democratic presence, both of our senators are Democrats ( I voted for one of them).
Either way, the correlation is higher between poverty and Education, Crime, drug abuse, teenage pregnancy than it is with Red or Blue states.
You could take a snapshot of African American populations and surmise that they all vote Republican by the states that they live in. We know that this is false, dramatically false.
It is important not to draw correlations that don't exist.
I would venture a guess that blue states are worse on crime. Chicago alone should pull up the rankings to #1. Detroit, California, New York etc.
I think that most of the above sectors are a function of poverty, which is neither Red nor Blue. I know that West Virginia is a pretty "purple" state that traditionally voted Democratic, but has flipped to Republican, there is still a strong Democratic presence, both of our senators are Democrats ( I voted for one of them).
Either way, the correlation is higher between poverty and Education, Crime, drug abuse, teenage pregnancy than it is with Red or Blue states.
You could take a snapshot of African American populations and surmise that they all vote Republican by the states that they live in. We know that this is false, dramatically false.
It is important not to draw correlations that don't exist.
I can say this because I have first hand knowledge. The state of Louisiana is a RED state but the most crime ridden city with the worst education is New Orleans. Democrats always carry New Orleans.
If you were to check other states you will probably find within those states the highest crime/worst education is centralized in particular cities: Alabama (Birmingham), Mississippi (Jackson), Tennessee (Memphis). I'm willing to bet those cities usually vote democrat.
I can say this because I have first hand knowledge. The state of Louisiana is a RED state but the most crime ridden city with the worst education is New Orleans. Democrats always carry New Orleans.
If you were to check other states you will probably find within those states the highest crime/worst education is centralized in particular cities: Alabama (Birmingham), Mississippi (Jackson), Tennessee (Memphis). I'm willing to bet those cities usually vote democrat.
i'm always a big fan of mattbrott principle related threads. as we know from the original mattbrott principle thrad, rightwing states are generally the worst of everything in areas like education, health, weight, jobs and basically anything that is good about our existence. somalia would be an improvement.
i think dsn covered it if you are a rightwinger and your goal in life is to worship government, spend taxpayer money for your own purposes and basically darn over the regular people at every opportunity, you need to take the people's eyes off of what you are doing. what better way to accomplish that than to create some diversions like the gays, the blacks, the brown people and abortion. and what better tool to accomplish that distraction than religion.
i'm always a big fan of mattbrott principle related threads. as we know from the original mattbrott principle thrad, rightwing states are generally the worst of everything in areas like education, health, weight, jobs and basically anything that is good about our existence. somalia would be an improvement.
i think dsn covered it if you are a rightwinger and your goal in life is to worship government, spend taxpayer money for your own purposes and basically darn over the regular people at every opportunity, you need to take the people's eyes off of what you are doing. what better way to accomplish that than to create some diversions like the gays, the blacks, the brown people and abortion. and what better tool to accomplish that distraction than religion.
Bowlslit's San Diego friend story clearly summarizes the reasons why the OP's hypothesis isn't true.
Ok, back to the topic. Yes, it is probably true that cities like Birmingham, Jackson, and Memphis are predominantly black and likely vote Democratic. New Orleans is the same. But let's examine this in greater detail. What does that actually mean?
Many of the areas in the country are more racially equal. Is it the suggestion that these educations systems are better? Are they significantly richer? The facts don't bear that out.
So, going to the points that DSN and Club made, we know this to be true. How do we know? Floyd Brown for one. He has been very vocal about who he targeted with the Willie Horton ad. How about when the Bush team passed out pictures of John McCain's adopted black son in the rural south.
For the last multiple years, rural southern Republicans have run campaigns depicting the evils of homosexuality. In the real world, does this impact the average voter (and I should add that Republicans have made inroads with blacks on this issue, especially in the south)? And DSN is also correct in the rest of the post. It becomes less about voting for a candidate, but rather voting against the other candidate who will do X, Y, and Z, to you. When a candidate does that, they don't have to explain what exactly they are going to do for the voter.
And I should add that DSN is a Republican that don't support the Republican social agenda. That probably gives him pretty good insight.
Bowlslit's San Diego friend story clearly summarizes the reasons why the OP's hypothesis isn't true.
Ok, back to the topic. Yes, it is probably true that cities like Birmingham, Jackson, and Memphis are predominantly black and likely vote Democratic. New Orleans is the same. But let's examine this in greater detail. What does that actually mean?
Many of the areas in the country are more racially equal. Is it the suggestion that these educations systems are better? Are they significantly richer? The facts don't bear that out.
So, going to the points that DSN and Club made, we know this to be true. How do we know? Floyd Brown for one. He has been very vocal about who he targeted with the Willie Horton ad. How about when the Bush team passed out pictures of John McCain's adopted black son in the rural south.
For the last multiple years, rural southern Republicans have run campaigns depicting the evils of homosexuality. In the real world, does this impact the average voter (and I should add that Republicans have made inroads with blacks on this issue, especially in the south)? And DSN is also correct in the rest of the post. It becomes less about voting for a candidate, but rather voting against the other candidate who will do X, Y, and Z, to you. When a candidate does that, they don't have to explain what exactly they are going to do for the voter.
And I should add that DSN is a Republican that don't support the Republican social agenda. That probably gives him pretty good insight.
I agree that the crime issue was the weakest of the four. But hard to argue the others. And I left out others like obesity, diabetes, heart disease etc...
And rick - you are stretching it a little bit with your examples of blacks etc... Of course you can always find pockets of people that do not fit the data but the point is that when taken as a whole the south and rep states generally fall on the bottom of these lists. Mince it anyway you want but this is not argueable.
I agree that the crime issue was the weakest of the four. But hard to argue the others. And I left out others like obesity, diabetes, heart disease etc...
And rick - you are stretching it a little bit with your examples of blacks etc... Of course you can always find pockets of people that do not fit the data but the point is that when taken as a whole the south and rep states generally fall on the bottom of these lists. Mince it anyway you want but this is not argueable.
I can say this because I have first hand knowledge. The state of Louisiana is a RED state but the most crime ridden city with the worst education is New Orleans. Democrats always carry New Orleans.
If you were to check other states you will ALWAYS find within those states the highest crime/worst education is centralized in particular cities: Alabama (Birmingham), Mississippi (Jackson), Tennessee (Memphis). I'm willing to bet those cities usually vote democrat.
I can say this because I have first hand knowledge. The state of Louisiana is a RED state but the most crime ridden city with the worst education is New Orleans. Democrats always carry New Orleans.
If you were to check other states you will ALWAYS find within those states the highest crime/worst education is centralized in particular cities: Alabama (Birmingham), Mississippi (Jackson), Tennessee (Memphis). I'm willing to bet those cities usually vote democrat.
I agree that the crime issue was the weakest of the four. But hard to argue the others. And I left out others like obesity, diabetes, heart disease etc...
And rick - you are stretching it a little bit with your examples of blacks etc... Of course you can always find pockets of people that do not fit the data but the point is that when taken as a whole the south and rep states generally fall on the bottom of these lists. Mince it anyway you want but this is not argueable.
Understanding the dynamics of the limited actions that governments can do to solve these problems that stem from personal responsibility....exactly which conservative principles do you blame for this?
I agree that the crime issue was the weakest of the four. But hard to argue the others. And I left out others like obesity, diabetes, heart disease etc...
And rick - you are stretching it a little bit with your examples of blacks etc... Of course you can always find pockets of people that do not fit the data but the point is that when taken as a whole the south and rep states generally fall on the bottom of these lists. Mince it anyway you want but this is not argueable.
Understanding the dynamics of the limited actions that governments can do to solve these problems that stem from personal responsibility....exactly which conservative principles do you blame for this?
Ok, back to the topic. Yes, it is probably true that cities like Birmingham, Jackson, and Memphis are predominantly black and likely vote Democratic. New Orleans is the same. But let's examine this in greater detail. What does that actually mean?
Were you gonna answer this? Or were you just posing it?
Ok, back to the topic. Yes, it is probably true that cities like Birmingham, Jackson, and Memphis are predominantly black and likely vote Democratic. New Orleans is the same. But let's examine this in greater detail. What does that actually mean?
Were you gonna answer this? Or were you just posing it?
Many of the areas in the country are more racially equal. Is it the suggestion that these educations systems are better? Are they significantly richer? The facts don't bear that out.
Really? I didn't know this. Where did you find stats on this? Because I honestly assumed it to be the case. Is there an underlying reason you think then?
Many of the areas in the country are more racially equal. Is it the suggestion that these educations systems are better? Are they significantly richer? The facts don't bear that out.
Really? I didn't know this. Where did you find stats on this? Because I honestly assumed it to be the case. Is there an underlying reason you think then?
For the last multiple years, rural southern Republicans have run campaigns depicting the evils of homosexuality. In the real world, does this impact the average voter (and I should add that Republicans have made inroads with blacks on this issue, especially in the south)?
I miss the correlation between this and education, poverty, and crime?
For the last multiple years, rural southern Republicans have run campaigns depicting the evils of homosexuality. In the real world, does this impact the average voter (and I should add that Republicans have made inroads with blacks on this issue, especially in the south)?
I miss the correlation between this and education, poverty, and crime?
Bowl - your post #16 is a good example of one of the underlying things behind my original post. If we take the personal responsibility approach to this topic than why would the results be so heavily weighted towards the southern / repub states? Based on what you are insinuating there should be a fairly even distribution between dem and repubs states. However, all the data that indicates an insanely uneven distribution would suggest that there is not a balance.
In other words if we use your point then we would conclude that the reason that repub states rank so low in these areas is due to a lack of personal responsibility.
Bowl - your post #16 is a good example of one of the underlying things behind my original post. If we take the personal responsibility approach to this topic than why would the results be so heavily weighted towards the southern / repub states? Based on what you are insinuating there should be a fairly even distribution between dem and repubs states. However, all the data that indicates an insanely uneven distribution would suggest that there is not a balance.
In other words if we use your point then we would conclude that the reason that repub states rank so low in these areas is due to a lack of personal responsibility.
Potter - post 14 is flawed. You are implying that the issue is related to democratic big cities. I believe that big cities are more democratic in nature and also have some of these quoted issues. But this is where the post is flawed. Are you suggesting that the repub and southern states rank lower because of more cities that are populated by democrats compared to the north / dem states? If so than that dog don't hunt.
Potter - post 14 is flawed. You are implying that the issue is related to democratic big cities. I believe that big cities are more democratic in nature and also have some of these quoted issues. But this is where the post is flawed. Are you suggesting that the repub and southern states rank lower because of more cities that are populated by democrats compared to the north / dem states? If so than that dog don't hunt.
Really? I didn't know this. Where did you find stats on this? Because I honestly assumed it to be the case. Is there an underlying reason you think then?
Its not difficult. Take the cities and population and the racial mix of the population. Then you have the numbers for the rest of the states.
The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind, the answer is blowing in the wind.
Really? I didn't know this. Where did you find stats on this? Because I honestly assumed it to be the case. Is there an underlying reason you think then?
Its not difficult. Take the cities and population and the racial mix of the population. Then you have the numbers for the rest of the states.
The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind, the answer is blowing in the wind.
I miss the correlation between this and education, poverty, and crime?
The correlation is solely based on Republican vs, Democratic voting in the poorest and worst states in terms of education. Thus, the correlation is plenary.
I miss the correlation between this and education, poverty, and crime?
The correlation is solely based on Republican vs, Democratic voting in the poorest and worst states in terms of education. Thus, the correlation is plenary.
The correlation is solely based on Republican vs, Democratic voting in the poorest and worst states in terms of education. Thus, the correlation is plenary.
The guy thing? To me that seems way separate. If they wanna worry about that---you are thinking it affects education? Surely they can walk and chew gum? I am very interested in the education thing---crime is self-evident I think. Maybe I am off on that as well.
The correlation is solely based on Republican vs, Democratic voting in the poorest and worst states in terms of education. Thus, the correlation is plenary.
The guy thing? To me that seems way separate. If they wanna worry about that---you are thinking it affects education? Surely they can walk and chew gum? I am very interested in the education thing---crime is self-evident I think. Maybe I am off on that as well.
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