After Amazon kills regular retail and negates all of those jobs, they will even seek to streamline their own distribution systems, eliminating even more human workers.
After Amazon kills regular retail and negates all of those jobs, they will even seek to streamline their own distribution systems, eliminating even more human workers.
The warehouse robot is a brilliant concept. Made me feel like a real Einstein for not having thought that one up... Just brilliant concept...
Saw this article... You just might appreciate it... https://www.pcworld.com/article/2158060/meet-ubr1-a-robot-that-can-stock-shelves-work-alongside-people.html
Did you check out the grill that will text you when your burger is done? Bit pricey though...
The warehouse robot is a brilliant concept. Made me feel like a real Einstein for not having thought that one up... Just brilliant concept...
Saw this article... You just might appreciate it... https://www.pcworld.com/article/2158060/meet-ubr1-a-robot-that-can-stock-shelves-work-alongside-people.html
Did you check out the grill that will text you when your burger is done? Bit pricey though...
This was happening and will happen independently of the min wage discussion.
It is a dilemma, one one hand technological process is great but on the other hand for every self checkout machine there is that means there is less need for a human worker.
This was happening and will happen independently of the min wage discussion.
It is a dilemma, one one hand technological process is great but on the other hand for every self checkout machine there is that means there is less need for a human worker.
Cant work in an environment where specialization occurs in real time. It is too slow for speed of service and is bad for customer satisfaction..and the cost to implement is high, maintenance is high and human interaction is still needed.
Manufacturing mass quantities of products which are identical it can work, but fast food where you have changes and modifications, it wont happen.
Cant work in an environment where specialization occurs in real time. It is too slow for speed of service and is bad for customer satisfaction..and the cost to implement is high, maintenance is high and human interaction is still needed.
Manufacturing mass quantities of products which are identical it can work, but fast food where you have changes and modifications, it wont happen.
Cant work in an environment where specialization occurs in real time. It is too slow for speed of service and is bad for customer satisfaction..and the cost to implement is high, maintenance is high and human interaction is still needed.
Manufacturing mass quantities of products which are identical it can work, but fast food where you have changes and modifications, it wont happen.
Cant work in an environment where specialization occurs in real time. It is too slow for speed of service and is bad for customer satisfaction..and the cost to implement is high, maintenance is high and human interaction is still needed.
Manufacturing mass quantities of products which are identical it can work, but fast food where you have changes and modifications, it wont happen.
why people would be wanting to see this crap and the loss of jobs for others is pretty sad. Its a shame how man and the almighty dollar has destroyed society
why people would be wanting to see this crap and the loss of jobs for others is pretty sad. Its a shame how man and the almighty dollar has destroyed society
why people would be wanting to see this crap and the loss of jobs for others is pretty sad. Its a shame how man and the almighty dollar has destroyed society
How about...
A future where technology frees people up to enjoy life... A future where a person is not judged by their "job". A future where the question is not "What do you do for a living?" but simply... "What do you do?"... Where a grounds keeper is not a "job" for people who ain't smart enough to get a "good job" but one that is a source of pride and respected for the skill it takes to grow and nurture a place of beauty for people to enjoy.
A future where basic needs are taken care of so creative people can be creative. A future where everyone contributes for 20 years (or pick a time span) and then "retires" to enjoy life. Anyone can "work" past 20 years, BUT no one has to to be able to enjoy life.
A future where helping others is the most noble of all pursuits. Where seeing other people happy makes people happy. A future where the mine, mine, mine, me, me, me, me mentality is seen as petty and pathetic as it is.
And yes I do believe technology will take us there.
why people would be wanting to see this crap and the loss of jobs for others is pretty sad. Its a shame how man and the almighty dollar has destroyed society
How about...
A future where technology frees people up to enjoy life... A future where a person is not judged by their "job". A future where the question is not "What do you do for a living?" but simply... "What do you do?"... Where a grounds keeper is not a "job" for people who ain't smart enough to get a "good job" but one that is a source of pride and respected for the skill it takes to grow and nurture a place of beauty for people to enjoy.
A future where basic needs are taken care of so creative people can be creative. A future where everyone contributes for 20 years (or pick a time span) and then "retires" to enjoy life. Anyone can "work" past 20 years, BUT no one has to to be able to enjoy life.
A future where helping others is the most noble of all pursuits. Where seeing other people happy makes people happy. A future where the mine, mine, mine, me, me, me, me mentality is seen as petty and pathetic as it is.
And yes I do believe technology will take us there.
Aside from what WSC said, we are always trying to do that LONG BEFORE the min. wage comes into play. Business will always try to increase efficiency, production while cutting cost whenever it's applicable.
I am not a big fan of min. wage increase because I don't think it really addresses the cause of the problem. However, the last increase was in 2009 and we can't even get an agreement to $10 yet.....
Aside from what WSC said, we are always trying to do that LONG BEFORE the min. wage comes into play. Business will always try to increase efficiency, production while cutting cost whenever it's applicable.
I am not a big fan of min. wage increase because I don't think it really addresses the cause of the problem. However, the last increase was in 2009 and we can't even get an agreement to $10 yet.....
Aside from what WSC said, we are always trying to do that LONG BEFORE the min. wage comes into play. Business will always try to increase efficiency, production while cutting cost whenever it's applicable.
I am not a big fan of min. wage increase because I don't think it really addresses the cause of the problem. However, the last increase was in 2009 and we can't even get an agreement to $10 yet.....
Bunny,
Actually interested in your thoughts... What would you surmise is the primary cause of the problem?
Out of fairness... If, by the problem, you are speaking of people who are not making a living wage... I consider lack of skills, and poor self esteem in some for thinking they are doing the best they can as being the greatest hurtles most people face. What holds most people back is the attitude that they are doing the best they can and only people who are smarter can have a better life.
Aside from what WSC said, we are always trying to do that LONG BEFORE the min. wage comes into play. Business will always try to increase efficiency, production while cutting cost whenever it's applicable.
I am not a big fan of min. wage increase because I don't think it really addresses the cause of the problem. However, the last increase was in 2009 and we can't even get an agreement to $10 yet.....
Bunny,
Actually interested in your thoughts... What would you surmise is the primary cause of the problem?
Out of fairness... If, by the problem, you are speaking of people who are not making a living wage... I consider lack of skills, and poor self esteem in some for thinking they are doing the best they can as being the greatest hurtles most people face. What holds most people back is the attitude that they are doing the best they can and only people who are smarter can have a better life.
Cant work in an environment where specialization occurs in real time. It is too slow for speed of service and is bad for customer satisfaction..and the cost to implement is high, maintenance is high and human interaction is still needed.
Manufacturing mass quantities of products which are identical it can work, but fast food where you have changes and modifications, it wont happen.
You've said this before and I agree, but this limitation will only last so long...I take the long view on these things.
AI is developing at a breakneck pace, we are well past the stages of just programming repetitive tasks. and as other industries implement it more and more and in a variety of different ways, it will only be a matter of time before it touches every industry in some way...its our future, and the biggest reason for the dark future ahead for unskilled labor.
Cant work in an environment where specialization occurs in real time. It is too slow for speed of service and is bad for customer satisfaction..and the cost to implement is high, maintenance is high and human interaction is still needed.
Manufacturing mass quantities of products which are identical it can work, but fast food where you have changes and modifications, it wont happen.
You've said this before and I agree, but this limitation will only last so long...I take the long view on these things.
AI is developing at a breakneck pace, we are well past the stages of just programming repetitive tasks. and as other industries implement it more and more and in a variety of different ways, it will only be a matter of time before it touches every industry in some way...its our future, and the biggest reason for the dark future ahead for unskilled labor.
why people would be wanting to see this crap and the loss of jobs for others is pretty sad. Its a shame how man and the almighty dollar has destroyed society
Its not that people want to see it, its just that its inevitable...I will be an old man when a lot of this comes to fruition, but the effect it could potentially have on human society without proper regulations is somewhat terrifying...
why people would be wanting to see this crap and the loss of jobs for others is pretty sad. Its a shame how man and the almighty dollar has destroyed society
Its not that people want to see it, its just that its inevitable...I will be an old man when a lot of this comes to fruition, but the effect it could potentially have on human society without proper regulations is somewhat terrifying...
How hard is it to have a specialization option on a touchscreen. Sheetz and Wawa have already perfected it. You order the sandwich and then customize it. There are also options for speciality sandwiches, that yoj can further customize with a touch of a button.
My wife hates mustard and ketchul, and I cant tell you how many times we have ordered her food, just to have to send it back because there is a breakdown in communication somewhere between the person taking the order, the data entry, the person making the order, and the person that completes/sends out the order.
Automated touchscreen ordering will be common in fast food joints within the next 10 years. Next 5 if the $15/hr movement gets any traction.
How hard is it to have a specialization option on a touchscreen. Sheetz and Wawa have already perfected it. You order the sandwich and then customize it. There are also options for speciality sandwiches, that yoj can further customize with a touch of a button.
My wife hates mustard and ketchul, and I cant tell you how many times we have ordered her food, just to have to send it back because there is a breakdown in communication somewhere between the person taking the order, the data entry, the person making the order, and the person that completes/sends out the order.
Automated touchscreen ordering will be common in fast food joints within the next 10 years. Next 5 if the $15/hr movement gets any traction.
Its not that people want to see it, its just that its inevitable...I will be an old man when a lot of this comes to fruition, but the effect it could potentially have on human society without proper regulations is somewhat terrifying...
Excellent post... I expect before proper regulations are in place it will be a bumpy ride... I just hope the bumpy ride is a short one...
Its not that people want to see it, its just that its inevitable...I will be an old man when a lot of this comes to fruition, but the effect it could potentially have on human society without proper regulations is somewhat terrifying...
Excellent post... I expect before proper regulations are in place it will be a bumpy ride... I just hope the bumpy ride is a short one...
Actually interested in your thoughts... What would you surmise is the primary cause of the problem?
Out of fairness... If, by the problem, you are speaking of people who are not making a living wage... I consider lack of skills, and poor self esteem in some for thinking they are doing the best they can as being the greatest hurtles most people face. What holds most people back is the attitude that they are doing the best they can and only people who are smarter can have a better life.
Obviously, it's a complex issue but to me, it's about the upward mobility. For the most part, those min. wage jobs aren't meant to be a career.
I really don't want to downplay ambition, hard work and dedication because those are recipe for success but lets don't pretend the American dream is what is used to be.
Policies through the years push us to this point and when it comes to class warfare, Republicans are just as guilty as the Democrats.
Actually interested in your thoughts... What would you surmise is the primary cause of the problem?
Out of fairness... If, by the problem, you are speaking of people who are not making a living wage... I consider lack of skills, and poor self esteem in some for thinking they are doing the best they can as being the greatest hurtles most people face. What holds most people back is the attitude that they are doing the best they can and only people who are smarter can have a better life.
Obviously, it's a complex issue but to me, it's about the upward mobility. For the most part, those min. wage jobs aren't meant to be a career.
I really don't want to downplay ambition, hard work and dedication because those are recipe for success but lets don't pretend the American dream is what is used to be.
Policies through the years push us to this point and when it comes to class warfare, Republicans are just as guilty as the Democrats.
@ post #5 Wall, you don't give human ingenuity enough credit. Technology will continue to advance to a point where it will work in the fast food industry. It is only a matter of time
@ post #5 Wall, you don't give human ingenuity enough credit. Technology will continue to advance to a point where it will work in the fast food industry. It is only a matter of time
You've said this before and I agree, but this limitation will only last so long...I take the long view on these things.
AI is developing at a breakneck pace, we are well past the stages of just programming repetitive tasks. and as other industries implement it more and more and in a variety of different ways, it will only be a matter of time before it touches every industry in some way...its our future, and the biggest reason for the dark future ahead for unskilled labor.
Yeah Wawa has used these for years..the problem is they arent doing the volume that the FF places do, sure they get a little busy during lunch but it isnt like them having the main registers on a kiosk setup..think of Wawa (I know that place well as you know) having a touch screen/kiosk at the front with people paying for gas, buying drinks and cigs at the speed people demand when they go there.
Burger King and I think McD's used self serve touch screens DECADES ago..they tried it and they failed, and that is just ordering kiosks...that has nothing to do with prep machines rick is discussing here.
The largest issue to making this plausible is the learning curve that the public has to educate themselves in how to use the systems and how a company can do this with the same or better SOS they had prior.
Also, person to person interaction has a big benefit of upselling and verifying orders. With computers the upsell option declines (profit opportunity lost) and what does an automated company do when a customer makes a mistake or the system makes a mistake? Its like in the book "The Game" where a single kink in the automation line shuts the whole thing down..and when you shut down the line you are losing money period.
If a big company like Jack in the Box or BK or MCD does this, to me they are risking their brand and their sales will drop and profits will drop.
Some industries you cannot automate, and customer service oriented places cannot be automated outside what some now do and that is automated french fry systems..that does not take any specialization or variation so it can be automated.
You've said this before and I agree, but this limitation will only last so long...I take the long view on these things.
AI is developing at a breakneck pace, we are well past the stages of just programming repetitive tasks. and as other industries implement it more and more and in a variety of different ways, it will only be a matter of time before it touches every industry in some way...its our future, and the biggest reason for the dark future ahead for unskilled labor.
Yeah Wawa has used these for years..the problem is they arent doing the volume that the FF places do, sure they get a little busy during lunch but it isnt like them having the main registers on a kiosk setup..think of Wawa (I know that place well as you know) having a touch screen/kiosk at the front with people paying for gas, buying drinks and cigs at the speed people demand when they go there.
Burger King and I think McD's used self serve touch screens DECADES ago..they tried it and they failed, and that is just ordering kiosks...that has nothing to do with prep machines rick is discussing here.
The largest issue to making this plausible is the learning curve that the public has to educate themselves in how to use the systems and how a company can do this with the same or better SOS they had prior.
Also, person to person interaction has a big benefit of upselling and verifying orders. With computers the upsell option declines (profit opportunity lost) and what does an automated company do when a customer makes a mistake or the system makes a mistake? Its like in the book "The Game" where a single kink in the automation line shuts the whole thing down..and when you shut down the line you are losing money period.
If a big company like Jack in the Box or BK or MCD does this, to me they are risking their brand and their sales will drop and profits will drop.
Some industries you cannot automate, and customer service oriented places cannot be automated outside what some now do and that is automated french fry systems..that does not take any specialization or variation so it can be automated.
How hard is it to have a specialization option on a touchscreen. Sheetz and Wawa have already perfected it. You order the sandwich and then customize it. There are also options for speciality sandwiches, that yoj can further customize with a touch of a button.
My wife hates mustard and ketchul, and I cant tell you how many times we have ordered her food, just to have to send it back because there is a breakdown in communication somewhere between the person taking the order, the data entry, the person making the order, and the person that completes/sends out the order.
Automated touchscreen ordering will be common in fast food joints within the next 10 years. Next 5 if the $15/hr movement gets any traction.
Yep. And Tilts above yours.
The first step is what we see at JFK Airport now. You order your entire meal from the kiosk.
Next, it will be a conveyor type system in the kitchen. Pure automation with human oversight.
But where I disagree with many of the premises is this is not about unions or even labor costs. In the end, it will be purely efficiency.
No worries about people calling sick, training, job turnover, workplace injuries, etc. It won't be met with fanfare. It will just happen (as Lord said above me).
How hard is it to have a specialization option on a touchscreen. Sheetz and Wawa have already perfected it. You order the sandwich and then customize it. There are also options for speciality sandwiches, that yoj can further customize with a touch of a button.
My wife hates mustard and ketchul, and I cant tell you how many times we have ordered her food, just to have to send it back because there is a breakdown in communication somewhere between the person taking the order, the data entry, the person making the order, and the person that completes/sends out the order.
Automated touchscreen ordering will be common in fast food joints within the next 10 years. Next 5 if the $15/hr movement gets any traction.
Yep. And Tilts above yours.
The first step is what we see at JFK Airport now. You order your entire meal from the kiosk.
Next, it will be a conveyor type system in the kitchen. Pure automation with human oversight.
But where I disagree with many of the premises is this is not about unions or even labor costs. In the end, it will be purely efficiency.
No worries about people calling sick, training, job turnover, workplace injuries, etc. It won't be met with fanfare. It will just happen (as Lord said above me).
Yeah Wawa has used these for years..the problem is they arent doing the volume that the FF places do, sure they get a little busy during lunch but it isnt like them having the main registers on a kiosk setup..think of Wawa (I know that place well as you know) having a touch screen/kiosk at the front with people paying for gas, buying drinks and cigs at the speed people demand when they go there.
Burger King and I think McD's used self serve touch screens DECADES ago..they tried it and they failed, and that is just ordering kiosks...that has nothing to do with prep machines rick is discussing here.
The largest issue to making this plausible is the learning curve that the public has to educate themselves in how to use the systems and how a company can do this with the same or better SOS they had prior.
Also, person to person interaction has a big benefit of upselling and verifying orders. With computers the upsell option declines (profit opportunity lost) and what does an automated company do when a customer makes a mistake or the system makes a mistake? Its like in the book "The Game" where a single kink in the automation line shuts the whole thing down..and when you shut down the line you are losing money period.
If a big company like Jack in the Box or BK or MCD does this, to me they are risking their brand and their sales will drop and profits will drop.
Some industries you cannot automate, and customer service oriented places cannot be automated outside what some now do and that is automated french fry systems..that does not take any specialization or variation so it can be automated.
I agree that 100% automation is impossible. But lets start with prep work. You don't see the day coming where a person just drops the tomatoes in a machine and they are sliced, or the onions chopped, the lettuce separated?
And the actual food service preparation is increasingly automated in certain areas. The order itself leads to the chicken dropped in a fryer and the burger placed on a grill. The cooking time is fixed so its quite easy to automate.
Then the conveyor type system of affixing the sandwich.
I guess I really do see it happening, but again, not based on labor costs, unions, etc. Just simply based on progress.
Yeah Wawa has used these for years..the problem is they arent doing the volume that the FF places do, sure they get a little busy during lunch but it isnt like them having the main registers on a kiosk setup..think of Wawa (I know that place well as you know) having a touch screen/kiosk at the front with people paying for gas, buying drinks and cigs at the speed people demand when they go there.
Burger King and I think McD's used self serve touch screens DECADES ago..they tried it and they failed, and that is just ordering kiosks...that has nothing to do with prep machines rick is discussing here.
The largest issue to making this plausible is the learning curve that the public has to educate themselves in how to use the systems and how a company can do this with the same or better SOS they had prior.
Also, person to person interaction has a big benefit of upselling and verifying orders. With computers the upsell option declines (profit opportunity lost) and what does an automated company do when a customer makes a mistake or the system makes a mistake? Its like in the book "The Game" where a single kink in the automation line shuts the whole thing down..and when you shut down the line you are losing money period.
If a big company like Jack in the Box or BK or MCD does this, to me they are risking their brand and their sales will drop and profits will drop.
Some industries you cannot automate, and customer service oriented places cannot be automated outside what some now do and that is automated french fry systems..that does not take any specialization or variation so it can be automated.
I agree that 100% automation is impossible. But lets start with prep work. You don't see the day coming where a person just drops the tomatoes in a machine and they are sliced, or the onions chopped, the lettuce separated?
And the actual food service preparation is increasingly automated in certain areas. The order itself leads to the chicken dropped in a fryer and the burger placed on a grill. The cooking time is fixed so its quite easy to automate.
Then the conveyor type system of affixing the sandwich.
I guess I really do see it happening, but again, not based on labor costs, unions, etc. Just simply based on progress.
The first step is what we see at JFK Airport now. You order your entire meal from the kiosk.
Next, it will be a conveyor type system in the kitchen. Pure automation with human oversight.
But where I disagree with many of the premises is this is not about unions or even labor costs. In the end, it will be purely efficiency.
No worries about people calling sick, training, job turnover, workplace injuries, etc. It won't be met with fanfare. It will just happen (as Lord said above me).
The first step is what we see at JFK Airport now. You order your entire meal from the kiosk.
Next, it will be a conveyor type system in the kitchen. Pure automation with human oversight.
But where I disagree with many of the premises is this is not about unions or even labor costs. In the end, it will be purely efficiency.
No worries about people calling sick, training, job turnover, workplace injuries, etc. It won't be met with fanfare. It will just happen (as Lord said above me).
It takes butchers, farmers, and cooks to make high quality products. Machines are not and will not ever be able to replace human beings.
My clothes are tailor made, my hair is cut by a professional, my food hand prepared, my fruits are hand picked, and my meats are prepared by a butcher.
If McDonald's or any other restaurants do replace humans with machines... it will be the end of those companies. People like the ones that run Costco will take over the food markets.
It takes touch to make good food. Machines can't provide hospitality. Machines can make disgusting TV dinners but can't make home cooked food.
It takes butchers, farmers, and cooks to make high quality products. Machines are not and will not ever be able to replace human beings.
My clothes are tailor made, my hair is cut by a professional, my food hand prepared, my fruits are hand picked, and my meats are prepared by a butcher.
If McDonald's or any other restaurants do replace humans with machines... it will be the end of those companies. People like the ones that run Costco will take over the food markets.
It takes touch to make good food. Machines can't provide hospitality. Machines can make disgusting TV dinners but can't make home cooked food.
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