Cleveland (CNN) -- First came the pain -- a decade of torture, torment and terror for three captive women and one of their young daughters.
Now comes the prosecution and -- if there's a conviction -- punishment for the man accused of being responsible for their hell.
Ariel Castro appeared
silently in court Thursday, his head down, as he was arraigned on four
counts of kidnapping and three counts of rape, accused of holding the
women captive in his Cleveland home. Cleveland Municipal Court Judge
Lauren Moore ordered Castro held on $8 million bond -- $2 million for
each of the three women and the child born to Amanda Berry before they
were freed Monday evening.
Hours later, the top
prosecutor in Cuyahoga County, Ohio, announced he'd press for more
charges -- "for each and every act of sexual violence ... each day of
kidnapping, every felonious assault (and) all his attempted murders."
Furthermore, Prosecutor
Timothy McGinty said he'd try to persuade a grand jury to indict the
52-year-old Castro for "aggravated murder" for the termination of his
captives' pregnancies. He cited a state law that a person can be charged
with murder -- a conviction that could lead to the death penalty in
Ohio -- for killing unborn children.
Cleveland (CNN) -- First came the pain -- a decade of torture, torment and terror for three captive women and one of their young daughters.
Now comes the prosecution and -- if there's a conviction -- punishment for the man accused of being responsible for their hell.
Ariel Castro appeared
silently in court Thursday, his head down, as he was arraigned on four
counts of kidnapping and three counts of rape, accused of holding the
women captive in his Cleveland home. Cleveland Municipal Court Judge
Lauren Moore ordered Castro held on $8 million bond -- $2 million for
each of the three women and the child born to Amanda Berry before they
were freed Monday evening.
Hours later, the top
prosecutor in Cuyahoga County, Ohio, announced he'd press for more
charges -- "for each and every act of sexual violence ... each day of
kidnapping, every felonious assault (and) all his attempted murders."
Furthermore, Prosecutor
Timothy McGinty said he'd try to persuade a grand jury to indict the
52-year-old Castro for "aggravated murder" for the termination of his
captives' pregnancies. He cited a state law that a person can be charged
with murder -- a conviction that could lead to the death penalty in
Ohio -- for killing unborn children.
the idea that the people who can't bring themselves to condemn partial birth abortion, and NARAL just came out against a ban on elective late term abortions, care one bit about 20 dead school children shot in Connecticut, is silly and obscene.
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Again,
the idea that the people who can't bring themselves to condemn partial birth abortion, and NARAL just came out against a ban on elective late term abortions, care one bit about 20 dead school children shot in Connecticut, is silly and obscene.
I'm a bit perplexed that people that don't see a fetus as a real human being if its a planned abortion can in this case do a 180 and all the sudden a fetus is now a real human being.
Went right over some peoples heads.
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I'm a bit perplexed that people that don't see a fetus as a real human being if its a planned abortion can in this case do a 180 and all the sudden a fetus is now a real human being.
I'm a bit perplexed that people that don't see a fetus as a real human being if its a planned abortion can in this case do a 180 and all the sudden a fetus is now a real human being.
Went right over some peoples heads.
I think there is a difference between a woman choosing to abort a fetus or economic, social, or health reasons and someone who is forcing an abortion on a woman by means of initially raping her to get her preggo, then falsely imprisoning her and forcing her abortion by means of beating and starving.
Aside from the fact that this guy is a world class POS and there are enough charges brought against him to put him away for life (or preferably execute him), I have no problem with authorities charging him for murder of an unborn fetus in cases like these.
If that makes me hypocritical then so be it. This isn't even close to the same level of pro choice, it's pro force in every sense of the term.
The good news is that according to organized religion he can seek the forgiveness of God and get to spend eternity in Heaven, while his victim might not get to because if she doesn't follow suit.
I guess we're all a bit hypocritical aren't we?
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Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:
I'm a bit perplexed that people that don't see a fetus as a real human being if its a planned abortion can in this case do a 180 and all the sudden a fetus is now a real human being.
Went right over some peoples heads.
I think there is a difference between a woman choosing to abort a fetus or economic, social, or health reasons and someone who is forcing an abortion on a woman by means of initially raping her to get her preggo, then falsely imprisoning her and forcing her abortion by means of beating and starving.
Aside from the fact that this guy is a world class POS and there are enough charges brought against him to put him away for life (or preferably execute him), I have no problem with authorities charging him for murder of an unborn fetus in cases like these.
If that makes me hypocritical then so be it. This isn't even close to the same level of pro choice, it's pro force in every sense of the term.
The good news is that according to organized religion he can seek the forgiveness of God and get to spend eternity in Heaven, while his victim might not get to because if she doesn't follow suit.
I think there is a difference between a woman choosing to abort a fetus or economic, social, or health reasons and someone who is forcing an abortion on a woman by means of initially raping her to get her preggo, then falsely imprisoning her and forcing her abortion by means of beating and starving.
Aside from the fact that this guy is a world class POS and there are enough charges brought against him to put him away for life (or preferably execute him), I have no problem with authorities charging him for murder of an unborn fetus in cases like these.
If that makes me hypocritical then so be it. This isn't even close to the same level of pro choice, it's pro force in every sense of the term.
The good news is that according to organized religion he can seek the forgiveness of God and get to spend eternity in Heaven, while his victim might not get to because if she doesn't follow suit.
I guess we're all a bit hypocritical aren't we?
Knowing that most birth control methods are very effective, why would a woman be getting pregnant in the first place if she doesn't wish to have a child?
Why does our society take unwanted pregnancies so lightly? It's only one of the biggest social problems we face.
One of my good friends was the product of a rape in which her mother decided to maintain the pregnancy. You can't even tell she was the product of a rape by looking at her. Imagine that.
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Quote Originally Posted by Ktrain:
I think there is a difference between a woman choosing to abort a fetus or economic, social, or health reasons and someone who is forcing an abortion on a woman by means of initially raping her to get her preggo, then falsely imprisoning her and forcing her abortion by means of beating and starving.
Aside from the fact that this guy is a world class POS and there are enough charges brought against him to put him away for life (or preferably execute him), I have no problem with authorities charging him for murder of an unborn fetus in cases like these.
If that makes me hypocritical then so be it. This isn't even close to the same level of pro choice, it's pro force in every sense of the term.
The good news is that according to organized religion he can seek the forgiveness of God and get to spend eternity in Heaven, while his victim might not get to because if she doesn't follow suit.
I guess we're all a bit hypocritical aren't we?
Knowing that most birth control methods are very effective, why would a woman be getting pregnant in the first place if she doesn't wish to have a child?
Why does our society take unwanted pregnancies so lightly? It's only one of the biggest social problems we face.
One of my good friends was the product of a rape in which her mother decided to maintain the pregnancy. You can't even tell she was the product of a rape by looking at her. Imagine that.
Knowing that most birth control methods are very effective, why would a woman be getting pregnant in the first place if she doesn't wish to have a child?
Why does our society take unwanted pregnancies so lightly? It's only one of the biggest social problems we face.
One of my good friends was the product of a rape in which her mother decided to maintain the pregnancy. You can't even tell she was the product of a rape by looking at her. Imagine that.
Good for the mother and the kid but ultimately, it should be the mother's choice in cases of rape.
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Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:
Knowing that most birth control methods are very effective, why would a woman be getting pregnant in the first place if she doesn't wish to have a child?
Why does our society take unwanted pregnancies so lightly? It's only one of the biggest social problems we face.
One of my good friends was the product of a rape in which her mother decided to maintain the pregnancy. You can't even tell she was the product of a rape by looking at her. Imagine that.
Good for the mother and the kid but ultimately, it should be the mother's choice in cases of rape.
Knowing that most birth control methods are very effective, why would a woman be getting pregnant in the first place if she doesn't wish to have a child?
Why does our society take unwanted pregnancies so lightly? It's only one of the biggest social problems we face.
One of my good friends was the product of a rape in which her mother decided to maintain the pregnancy. You can't even tell she was the product of a rape by looking at her. Imagine that.
Why are many Christians against making birth control readily available to women? As far as women wishing to get preggo, I can't answer that. That is a case by case situation. I know a woman that was just married, on birth control and used it properly, and was knocked up anyways. Who knows why that happened? I had a condom break on me my senior year in high school. Definitely wasn't trying to get anyone pregnant back then and I know I used it properly. Things happen.
I have no idea why our society takes unwanted pregancy so lightly. I agree with you that it isn't the proper attitude to take towards this subject. I definitely agree that people should be more responsible for their sexual actions.
I'm happy your friend turned out well in life despite her conception. I can't imagine that is an easy stigma to grow up under. However, not every case turns out that way. I wish more did though.
My issue with your statement earlier really is the means in which this "abortion" was performed. I don't think comparing a woman who walks into a medical clinic with a doctor and this scumbag in his basement are even close to each other.
If you want to call me a hypocrite for changing my stance the criminal charges of the termination of THIS unborn fetus vs those typically associated with abortion (medical clinic, doctors, medical supervision etc) then I am ok with that. I'll admit to being a hypocrite.
I think the means in which this "abortion" was performed are completely different than what you referred to in your previous post anyway.
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Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:
Knowing that most birth control methods are very effective, why would a woman be getting pregnant in the first place if she doesn't wish to have a child?
Why does our society take unwanted pregnancies so lightly? It's only one of the biggest social problems we face.
One of my good friends was the product of a rape in which her mother decided to maintain the pregnancy. You can't even tell she was the product of a rape by looking at her. Imagine that.
Why are many Christians against making birth control readily available to women? As far as women wishing to get preggo, I can't answer that. That is a case by case situation. I know a woman that was just married, on birth control and used it properly, and was knocked up anyways. Who knows why that happened? I had a condom break on me my senior year in high school. Definitely wasn't trying to get anyone pregnant back then and I know I used it properly. Things happen.
I have no idea why our society takes unwanted pregancy so lightly. I agree with you that it isn't the proper attitude to take towards this subject. I definitely agree that people should be more responsible for their sexual actions.
I'm happy your friend turned out well in life despite her conception. I can't imagine that is an easy stigma to grow up under. However, not every case turns out that way. I wish more did though.
My issue with your statement earlier really is the means in which this "abortion" was performed. I don't think comparing a woman who walks into a medical clinic with a doctor and this scumbag in his basement are even close to each other.
If you want to call me a hypocrite for changing my stance the criminal charges of the termination of THIS unborn fetus vs those typically associated with abortion (medical clinic, doctors, medical supervision etc) then I am ok with that. I'll admit to being a hypocrite.
I think the means in which this "abortion" was performed are completely different than what you referred to in your previous post anyway.
I don't think Christians are trying to keep birth control away from people I just think they don't want the public to pay for it.
I'm sure there are some Christians that are cool with it (birth control) but if you google the subject you will definitely find many that are against birth control regardless of who pays for it.
I do often think about what would happen should abortion become illegal. You would definitely drive it underground and it would become similar to drugs. It would still happen just like drug use. It would just become more dangerous. I don't think it would detour anymore people from having sex then are already doing it. We could listen to religious leaders claim it as a victory for God, then in 20 years when all these kids grow up (many of whom would grow up in or at near poverty) would probably start committing crimes as a way of supporting themselves and trying to get ahead in the world.
Any thoughts on this Bowl?
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Quote Originally Posted by bowlslit:
I don't think Christians are trying to keep birth control away from people I just think they don't want the public to pay for it.
I'm sure there are some Christians that are cool with it (birth control) but if you google the subject you will definitely find many that are against birth control regardless of who pays for it.
I do often think about what would happen should abortion become illegal. You would definitely drive it underground and it would become similar to drugs. It would still happen just like drug use. It would just become more dangerous. I don't think it would detour anymore people from having sex then are already doing it. We could listen to religious leaders claim it as a victory for God, then in 20 years when all these kids grow up (many of whom would grow up in or at near poverty) would probably start committing crimes as a way of supporting themselves and trying to get ahead in the world.
The good news is that according to organized religion he can seek the forgiveness of God and get to spend eternity in Heaven, while his victim might not get to because if she doesn't follow suit.
Interesting.
I believe in God, that Jesus was born, walked the Earth, was crucified, resurrected, and is coming back in judgement. Yet I don't at all believe what you said is true, since it isn't in the Bible.
Can you tell me what is leading you to believe such a thing?
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Quote Originally Posted by Ktrain:
The good news is that according to organized religion he can seek the forgiveness of God and get to spend eternity in Heaven, while his victim might not get to because if she doesn't follow suit.
Interesting.
I believe in God, that Jesus was born, walked the Earth, was crucified, resurrected, and is coming back in judgement. Yet I don't at all believe what you said is true, since it isn't in the Bible.
Can you tell me what is leading you to believe such a thing?
I believe in God, that Jesus was born, walked the Earth, was crucified, resurrected, and is coming back in judgement. Yet I don't at all believe what you said is true, since it isn't in the Bible.
Can you tell me what is leading you to believe such a thing?
I know you don't, you have said that before. What you haven't said is what IS the criteria for getting into heaven.
Btw, I haven't seen it in the bible either, yet most Christian leaders I listen to acknowledge that this is the way to salvation, heaven, etc etc.
What's your version of the criteria 14?
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Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:
Interesting.
I believe in God, that Jesus was born, walked the Earth, was crucified, resurrected, and is coming back in judgement. Yet I don't at all believe what you said is true, since it isn't in the Bible.
Can you tell me what is leading you to believe such a thing?
I know you don't, you have said that before. What you haven't said is what IS the criteria for getting into heaven.
Btw, I haven't seen it in the bible either, yet most Christian leaders I listen to acknowledge that this is the way to salvation, heaven, etc etc.
I believe in God, that Jesus was born, walked the Earth, was crucified, resurrected, and is coming back in judgement. Yet I don't at all believe what you said is true, since it isn't in the Bible.
Can you tell me what is leading you to believe such a thing?
I'll go with this as to why I believe my previous posts:
In Luke 18:13, the sinner prayed: “God be merciful to me a sinner.” Just pray: “Oh God, I know I am a sinner. I believe Jesus was my substitute when He died on the Cross. I believe His shed blood, death, burial, and resurrection were for me. I now receive Him as my Savior. I thank You for the forgiveness of my sins, the gift of salvation and everlasting life, because of Your merciful grace. Amen.”
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Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:
Interesting.
I believe in God, that Jesus was born, walked the Earth, was crucified, resurrected, and is coming back in judgement. Yet I don't at all believe what you said is true, since it isn't in the Bible.
Can you tell me what is leading you to believe such a thing?
I'll go with this as to why I believe my previous posts:
In Luke 18:13, the sinner prayed: “God be merciful to me a sinner.” Just pray: “Oh God, I know I am a sinner. I believe Jesus was my substitute when He died on the Cross. I believe His shed blood, death, burial, and resurrection were for me. I now receive Him as my Savior. I thank You for the forgiveness of my sins, the gift of salvation and everlasting life, because of Your merciful grace. Amen.”
I'm of the mind that the judgement is going to be much, much harsher than most people want to believe.
Luke 13:24-”"Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.”
The best you can do is live your life by Biblical principles, nurture your faith, minimize your sins, and give glory to God, in my opinion.
I find that interesting because you're so staunchly against welfare. I'm not talking about people committing welfare fraud or leeching off the system. You seem to be against the system as a whole.
Correct me if I am wrong, I am not exactly proficient with the bible.
Proverbs 14:31
"Whoever oppresses a poor man insults his maker, but he who is generous to the needy honors him"
Matthew 19:21
"Jesus said to him, 'If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven, and come, follow me"
Believe it or not, minus the give glory to God part, you can still do all of what you mentioned at the top of this post. I actually believe in living by somewhat similar values.
Treat others as you want to be treated. Don't steal, rape, murder etc. Essentially just do right by others.
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Quote Originally Posted by 14daroad:
Ktrain,
I'm of the mind that the judgement is going to be much, much harsher than most people want to believe.
Luke 13:24-”"Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.”
The best you can do is live your life by Biblical principles, nurture your faith, minimize your sins, and give glory to God, in my opinion.
I find that interesting because you're so staunchly against welfare. I'm not talking about people committing welfare fraud or leeching off the system. You seem to be against the system as a whole.
Correct me if I am wrong, I am not exactly proficient with the bible.
Proverbs 14:31
"Whoever oppresses a poor man insults his maker, but he who is generous to the needy honors him"
Matthew 19:21
"Jesus said to him, 'If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven, and come, follow me"
Believe it or not, minus the give glory to God part, you can still do all of what you mentioned at the top of this post. I actually believe in living by somewhat similar values.
Treat others as you want to be treated. Don't steal, rape, murder etc. Essentially just do right by others.
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