How President Obama and the Democrats start the compromise on the debt talks:
No cuts to entitlement benefits...entitlements cuts are off the table in the talks..Obamacare is entirely off the table and non-negotiable ...
Sen Reid say's he will not allow changes in Social Security to be part of the negotiations...that's off the table..
Allow the Bush tax cuts to expire for wealthier Americans only ..tax increase for the rich must be part of any bargain.( Obama will veto any congressional legislation that extends Bush-era tax cuts to wealthier Americans )..raising taxes on the middle class are also off the table ..
But, other than that.. Obama and the Congressional Democrats want compromise..
With all that off the table President Compromise tells the nation he's "happy to" work with HouseGOP on the debt stalemate.. but it requires bipartisan compromise and the Republicans are the ones ..that wont budge...
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How President Obama and the Democrats start the compromise on the debt talks:
No cuts to entitlement benefits...entitlements cuts are off the table in the talks..Obamacare is entirely off the table and non-negotiable ...
Sen Reid say's he will not allow changes in Social Security to be part of the negotiations...that's off the table..
Allow the Bush tax cuts to expire for wealthier Americans only ..tax increase for the rich must be part of any bargain.( Obama will veto any congressional legislation that extends Bush-era tax cuts to wealthier Americans )..raising taxes on the middle class are also off the table ..
But, other than that.. Obama and the Congressional Democrats want compromise..
With all that off the table President Compromise tells the nation he's "happy to" work with HouseGOP on the debt stalemate.. but it requires bipartisan compromise and the Republicans are the ones ..that wont budge...
Along with all the things above ^ the Democrats and President Obama say are off the table in the compromise ..here's about the only thing they have put on the table...
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid laid down a firm marker Tuesday:"I agree with the president" raising the debt ceiling has to be part of a deal on the fiscal cliff..."it has to be a package deal"..
OK! Now let's go to the table and compromise..
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Along with all the things above ^ the Democrats and President Obama say are off the table in the compromise ..here's about the only thing they have put on the table...
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid laid down a firm marker Tuesday:"I agree with the president" raising the debt ceiling has to be part of a deal on the fiscal cliff..."it has to be a package deal"..
Ah Slim, we buy our own debt and run the presses. Personally I'd give Obama what he wants financially and tax wise for four years...no more. Then when we are fucked at the end of his term.....let these socialists own the collapse. We're fucked no matter what and the more obstructionist the republicans are the more they'll be blamed and bigger government asked for.
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Ah Slim, we buy our own debt and run the presses. Personally I'd give Obama what he wants financially and tax wise for four years...no more. Then when we are fucked at the end of his term.....let these socialists own the collapse. We're fucked no matter what and the more obstructionist the republicans are the more they'll be blamed and bigger government asked for.
Ah Slim, we buy our own debt and run the presses. Personally I'd give Obama what he wants financially and tax wise for four years...no more. Then when we are fucked at the end of his term.....let these socialists own the collapse. We're fucked no matter what and the more obstructionist the republicans are the more they'll be blamed and bigger government asked for.
That's true with the electronic money printing machines ...but,I can't remember who said it.. "The minute a lender fears you may not be able to settle up this debt, they may either refuse to roll over the debt or raise the interest rates that you have to pay.”
A raise in the interest rate would be a killer ..
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Quote Originally Posted by drJ:
Ah Slim, we buy our own debt and run the presses. Personally I'd give Obama what he wants financially and tax wise for four years...no more. Then when we are fucked at the end of his term.....let these socialists own the collapse. We're fucked no matter what and the more obstructionist the republicans are the more they'll be blamed and bigger government asked for.
That's true with the electronic money printing machines ...but,I can't remember who said it.. "The minute a lender fears you may not be able to settle up this debt, they may either refuse to roll over the debt or raise the interest rates that you have to pay.”
Slim, just wait to our grand fiscal bargain is deemed unsatisfactory by the credit agencies. Our credit downgrade will trigger higher interest rates soon enough.
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Slim, just wait to our grand fiscal bargain is deemed unsatisfactory by the credit agencies. Our credit downgrade will trigger higher interest rates soon enough.
Slim, just wait to our grand fiscal bargain is deemed unsatisfactory by the credit agencies. Our credit downgrade will trigger higher interest rates soon enough.
Not going to happen.
Good to see you again DrJ
~~~~~ZOSO~~~~~
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Quote Originally Posted by drJ:
Slim, just wait to our grand fiscal bargain is deemed unsatisfactory by the credit agencies. Our credit downgrade will trigger higher interest rates soon enough.
I thought compromise was a dirty word for the gridlock teabaggers...
The only one's that call Tea Party members the "teabaggers " slur are followers of Keef Olbermann and far left liberals ...never true nonpartisan Independents ...
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Quote Originally Posted by dl36:
I thought compromise was a dirty word for the gridlock teabaggers...
The only one's that call Tea Party members the "teabaggers " slur are followers of Keef Olbermann and far left liberals ...never true nonpartisan Independents ...
For fiscal 2013, the GOP-controlled House proposed
spending $1.934 billion for the State Department’s Worldwide Security
Protection program — well below the $2.15?billion requested by the Obama administration.
House Republicans cut the administration’s request for embassy security
funding by $128 million in fiscal 2011 and $331 million in fiscal 2012.
(Negotiations with the Democrat-controlled Senate restored about $88
million of the administration’s request.) Last year, Secretary of State
Hillary Clinton warned that Republicans’ proposed cuts to her department
would be “detrimental to America’s national security” — a charge
Republicans rejected.
Republicans and their allies have been trying to politicize the attack
— which killed four Americans, including the U.S. Ambassador to Libya —
suggesting, without evidence, the Obama administration may have ignored
intelligence that the attack was imminent, didn’t properly secure the
Benghazi compound and is now trying to cover it up.
But hidden beneath the GOP campaign is the fact that House Republicans voted to cut nearly $300 million from the U.S. embassy security budget. When asked if he voted to cut the funds on CNN, Chaffetz said, “Absolutely“:
O’BRIEN: Is it true that you voted to cut the funding for embassy security?
CHAFFETZ: Absolutely. Look, we have to make
priorities and choices in this country. We have — think about this —
15,000 contractors in Iraq. We have more than 6,000 contractors, private
army there for President Obama in Baghdad.
And we’re talking about can we get two dozen or so people into Libya
to help protect our forces? When you’re in tough economic times, you
have to make difficult choices how to prioritize this.
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Quote Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:
I know one cut in spending the Obama administration would probably go along with....spending cuts to embassy security....
Did you know the GOP voted to cut embassy securities ?
For fiscal 2013, the GOP-controlled House proposed
spending $1.934 billion for the State Department’s Worldwide Security
Protection program — well below the $2.15?billion requested by the Obama administration.
House Republicans cut the administration’s request for embassy security
funding by $128 million in fiscal 2011 and $331 million in fiscal 2012.
(Negotiations with the Democrat-controlled Senate restored about $88
million of the administration’s request.) Last year, Secretary of State
Hillary Clinton warned that Republicans’ proposed cuts to her department
would be “detrimental to America’s national security” — a charge
Republicans rejected.
Republicans and their allies have been trying to politicize the attack
— which killed four Americans, including the U.S. Ambassador to Libya —
suggesting, without evidence, the Obama administration may have ignored
intelligence that the attack was imminent, didn’t properly secure the
Benghazi compound and is now trying to cover it up.
But hidden beneath the GOP campaign is the fact that House Republicans voted to cut nearly $300 million from the U.S. embassy security budget. When asked if he voted to cut the funds on CNN, Chaffetz said, “Absolutely“:
O’BRIEN: Is it true that you voted to cut the funding for embassy security?
CHAFFETZ: Absolutely. Look, we have to make
priorities and choices in this country. We have — think about this —
15,000 contractors in Iraq. We have more than 6,000 contractors, private
army there for President Obama in Baghdad.
And we’re talking about can we get two dozen or so people into Libya
to help protect our forces? When you’re in tough economic times, you
have to make difficult choices how to prioritize this.
Entitlements are the single biggest drag on our budget that we have. They, in combination with military spending, needs to go WAY down and revenues must increase if we want to tackle this thing ASAP -- and in my mind, it is a problem that needs to be tackled ASAP
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Entitlements are the single biggest drag on our budget that we have. They, in combination with military spending, needs to go WAY down and revenues must increase if we want to tackle this thing ASAP -- and in my mind, it is a problem that needs to be tackled ASAP
" I know one cut in spending the Obama administration would probably go along with....spending cuts to embassy security..."
Let me quantify that ....I know one cut in spending the Obama administration would probably go along with....spending cuts to embassy security in Benghazi...
Budget records show "
According to the fiscal year (FY) 2013 Congressional Budget Justification Department of State Operations (p. 11), overall funding for those programs has increased sharply over the past decade. Indeed, Worldwide Security Protection is more than double what it was a decade ago. Despite reductions from budget peaks in FY 2009 and FY 2010, both budget lines are higher than in FY 2008.
On Oct.10 2012 in a Congressional hearing Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Calif. asked State Department's deputy assistant secretary for international programs Charlene Lamb ..
"It has been suggested that budget cuts are responsible for a lack of security in Benghazi, and I'd like to ask Miss Lamb.You made this decision personally. Was there any budget consideration and lack of budget which lead you not to increase the number of people in the security force there?"
"No, sir," said Lamb.
That's because the State Department's budget for embassy security has increased significantly, not decreased, over the past decade..
Comparing FY 2011 actual funding versus the FY 2012 estimate, there appears to be a reduction in Worldwide Security Protection and Embassy Security, Construction and Maintenance..But ...that reduction does not account for additional funding in FY 2012 from Overseas Contingency Operations funds amounting to $236 million for Worldwide Security Protection (p. 63) budget records ..and $33 million for Embassy Security, Construction and Maintenance. ( p. 467)... Together, there is a net increase.
In its budget request for FY 2013, the Obama admistration requested significantly more funding for embassy security—mostly through the Overseas Contingency Operations budget—but retained the same number of positions, apparently on the assumption that security staffing was adequate. Regardless, that budget, even if approved in its entirety, would have entered into effect after the events in Libya....................The Heritage Foundation .
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" I know one cut in spending the Obama administration would probably go along with....spending cuts to embassy security..."
Let me quantify that ....I know one cut in spending the Obama administration would probably go along with....spending cuts to embassy security in Benghazi...
Budget records show "
According to the fiscal year (FY) 2013 Congressional Budget Justification Department of State Operations (p. 11), overall funding for those programs has increased sharply over the past decade. Indeed, Worldwide Security Protection is more than double what it was a decade ago. Despite reductions from budget peaks in FY 2009 and FY 2010, both budget lines are higher than in FY 2008.
On Oct.10 2012 in a Congressional hearing Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R-Calif. asked State Department's deputy assistant secretary for international programs Charlene Lamb ..
"It has been suggested that budget cuts are responsible for a lack of security in Benghazi, and I'd like to ask Miss Lamb.You made this decision personally. Was there any budget consideration and lack of budget which lead you not to increase the number of people in the security force there?"
"No, sir," said Lamb.
That's because the State Department's budget for embassy security has increased significantly, not decreased, over the past decade..
Comparing FY 2011 actual funding versus the FY 2012 estimate, there appears to be a reduction in Worldwide Security Protection and Embassy Security, Construction and Maintenance..But ...that reduction does not account for additional funding in FY 2012 from Overseas Contingency Operations funds amounting to $236 million for Worldwide Security Protection (p. 63) budget records ..and $33 million for Embassy Security, Construction and Maintenance. ( p. 467)... Together, there is a net increase.
In its budget request for FY 2013, the Obama admistration requested significantly more funding for embassy security—mostly through the Overseas Contingency Operations budget—but retained the same number of positions, apparently on the assumption that security staffing was adequate. Regardless, that budget, even if approved in its entirety, would have entered into effect after the events in Libya....................The Heritage Foundation .
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