What did we learn

Forum: Politics Page 5 of 6 «  2 3 4 5 6   »
Author: [Politics] Topic: What did we learn
mattbrot PM mattbrot
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 6603
 
mattbrot
Participation Meter
Captain
quote#101
Posted: 11/8/2012 5:56:12 PM
 Who cares? It is a problem to an extent I agree. But guess what -- it is called the way it is. And it is not likely to change in the near future.

So a better and more productive discussion should be what steps are the repubs going to take to try to appeal / not alienate these groups so that they can remain competitive with various populations of voters (young, hispanic, black, asian) that are only going to grow in terms of % of voters in future elections.   
ApocalypseLater PM ApocalypseLater
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 4260
 
ApocalypseLater
Participation Meter
Veteran
quote#102
Posted: 11/8/2012 6:36:11 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by mattbrot:

 

So a better and more productive discussion should be what steps are the repubs going to take to try to appeal / not alienate these groups so that they can remain competitive with various populations of voters (young, hispanic, black, asian) that are only going to grow in terms of % of voters in future elections.   



this won't be an issue come next election... as bad as Obama was in his first term, his 2nd term will be much much worse!  even the brain-washed masses who have been gurgling his juice for the past 4 years will be jumping ship before the next election...

this garbage ain't that complicated!  no different than the Bush years... he was terrible in his first 4 years, but he got re-elected... by the end of 8 years you couldn't find anyone who had admitted to voting for him in either election... gonna be the same garbage 4 years from now...


this is why the 2-party scam works... there aren't 2 parties... it is bullshit!  yes, their political rhetoric before the election paints them as Democrat or Republican, but once they get into the White House they couldn't give a garbage about those ideals... it's a friggin smoke screen that people just love to eat up...

4 years from now, the Democrats will be personae non grata... just like the Republicans were 4 years ago... people will be ashamed to admit they were ever Democrats in 4 years... you can take that to the bank!  even the black population will be separating themselves from Obama, saying things like "well, we should have known... he isn't really black"... friggin sheep!

you want advice... find a line on the Republicans to win the next election, because right now people are actually (inexplicably) buying into the fact that the Republican party can't win elections anymore...

unbelievable how easily manipulated these people's minds are...
ApocalypseLater PM ApocalypseLater
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 4260
 
ApocalypseLater
Participation Meter
Veteran
quote#103
Posted: 11/8/2012 6:38:56 PM
this is no different than a football team that everyone puts stock into... then they go belly-up in a big game, and everyone thinks they can't win a football game anymore...

everyone wants to make excuses, and over-react, and condemn them to eternal failure...

doesn't work that way... ever!  this is no different...
ApocalypseLater PM ApocalypseLater
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 4260
 
ApocalypseLater
Participation Meter
Veteran
quote#104
Posted: 11/8/2012 6:44:20 PM
watching a report on FoxNews right now... interesting stat:


GWB won 60% of the White Male vote in 1988, and took 400 electoral votes...

Romney won 60% of the White Male vote in 2012, and got about half as many electoral votes...




ilsp2003 PM ilsp2003
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 3623
 
ilsp2003
Participation Meter
Veteran
quote#105
Posted: 11/8/2012 6:55:50 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by ApocalypseLater:







how much do YOU know about American History... because it appears you are unaware that 2008 was the first time a black candidate has ever run for President... did you know this?

maybe this will make it simpler... how many times has the black population ever voted AGAINST a black candidate?  in the combined 2008 and 2012 elections... how many black votes were cast AGAINST Barrack Obama?

now... how many were cast FOR him?

regarding the religion comment... gee!  i was under the impression that Obama is the same religion as all those football players who thank Jesus after they score a touchdown...




my God i am becoming more terrified to live in this country every day...


How about you review your post # 101 and confirm that you are posting nonsense.

there is NO evidence to confirm that black people voted for Obama because of race because they have always supported Democrat presidents who were white.

they still voted for a Democrat President who is 1/2 black and 1/2 white and you are jumping to conclusion.

 you are watching Fox news report


ilsp2003 PM ilsp2003
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 3623
 
ilsp2003
Participation Meter
Veteran
quote#106
Posted: 11/8/2012 6:59:25 PM
ApocaypeLater, are you that guy with

‘Put the White Back in the White House’ tea shirt


http://colorlines.com/archives/2012/10/the_racist_white_house_is_white_meme.html

djbrow PM djbrow
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 14418
 
djbrow
Participation Meter
Covers Linesmen
quote#107
Posted: 11/8/2012 7:18:26 PM
QUOTE

Originally Posted by ilsp2003:



How about you review your post # 101 and confirm that you are posting nonsense.

there is NO evidence to confirm that black people voted for Obama because of race because they have always supported Democrat presidents who were white.

they still voted for a Democrat President who is 1/2 black and 1/2 white and you are jumping to conclusion.

 you are watching Fox news report


Want to watch them scatter? I've asked this question numerous times and, while getting plenty of personal attacks, have yet get one answer.

Let's say they are right to s certain extent. Let's hypothesize that 90% of blacks vote Dem. Now let's say that 95% of blacks voted for Obama. That would mean that 5% of blacks voted for Obama because of skin color.

If we assume for one moment that is true, would they then deny that 5% of whites voted for Romney because he was white, or for that matter, any other candidate because he/she was white? I would guess the number is much higher than 5%.

But it hardly means that all whites are racist...far from it. Yet, they continue to harp on blacks being racist.

Quite interesting.....

ilsp2003 PM ilsp2003
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 3623
 
ilsp2003
Participation Meter
Veteran
quote#108
Posted: 11/8/2012 7:22:45 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by djbrow:

Want to watch them scatter? I've asked this question numerous times and, while getting plenty of personal attacks, have yet get one answer.

Let's say they are right to s certain extent. Let's hypothesize that 90% of blacks vote Dem. Now let's say that 95% of blacks voted for Obama. That would mean that 5% of blacks voted for Obama because of skin color.

If we assume for one moment that is true, would they then deny that 5% of whites voted for Romney because he was white, or for that matter, any other candidate because he/she was white? I would guess the number is much higher than 5%.

But it hardly means that all whites are racist...far from it. Yet, they continue to harp on blacks being racist.

Quite interesting.....





You made a very good point
ClubDirt PM ClubDirt
Joined: May 2003
Posts: 24307
 
ClubDirt
Participation Meter
Hall of Fame
quote#109
Posted: 11/8/2012 7:23:33 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by djbrow:

Want to watch them scatter? I've asked this question numerous times and, while getting plenty of personal attacks, have yet get one answer.

Let's say they are right to s certain extent. Let's hypothesize that 90% of blacks vote Dem. Now let's say that 95% of blacks voted for Obama. That would mean that 5% of blacks voted for Obama because of skin color.

If we assume for one moment that is true, would they then deny that 5% of whites voted for Romney because he was white, or for that matter, any other candidate because he/she was white? I would guess the number is much higher than 5%.

But it hardly means that all whites are racist...far from it. Yet, they continue to harp on blacks being racist.

Quite interesting.....




on top of that, given our history and the obvious exclusion of a legitimate black candidate for so many years, on the racist/prejudice/impropriety scale, i wouldn't compare a black person voting for a black president with a white person voting against a black president if both made the decision based on race alone. 
mattbrot PM mattbrot
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 6603
 
mattbrot
Participation Meter
Captain
quote#110
Posted: 11/8/2012 7:37:56 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by ApocalypseLater:

watching a report on FoxNews right now... interesting stat:


GWB won 60% of the White Male vote in 1988, and took 400 electoral votes...

Romney won 60% of the White Male vote in 2012, and got about half as many electoral votes...





I do not understand what the  is for.

This proves the point that the white male vote is not the same % of total voters as in the past. Or put in other terms the minority vote is becoming a greater % of total votes. 
ApocalypseLater PM ApocalypseLater
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 4260
 
ApocalypseLater
Participation Meter
Veteran
quote#111
Posted: 11/8/2012 7:58:59 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by ClubDirt:




on top of that, given our history and the obvious exclusion of a legitimate black candidate for so many years, on the racist/prejudice/impropriety scale, i wouldn't compare a black person voting for a black president with a white person voting against a black president if both made the decision based on race alone. 



this is literally the only legitimate argument that has been made in opposition of mine and Slovak's point... and in fact, many friends of mine who are black have basically said this exact thing...

but all this says is that they are JUSTIFIED (at least in their minds) for voting for a black candidate SOLELY based on the color of his skin... but it still means they voted for him on the color of his skin...



i don't have the time or energy to engage in any arguments with people who simply aren't grasping the significance of the statistical date, or how to evaluate it... i can't take you to school here in this forum... you will either wake up to reality before it's too late, or you won't... it will have no impact on me or the world as a whole, regardless...

there is a point of no return, and we passed it awhile ago...
djbrow PM djbrow
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 14418
 
djbrow
Participation Meter
Covers Linesmen
quote#112
Posted: 11/8/2012 8:07:27 PM
QUOTE

Originally Posted by Slovak:

DJBrow, it isn't about the % numbers per party, that is a given and always has been it is about the fact that 5 million more minorities came out and voted in 2008 than in previous years.

It's not about the 90% or 95%, it was about 2 million more blacks voted in 2008 than in 2004.

Where were these people before in previous elections?

Do you honestly believe that if a white democrat was running in 2008 that 5 million more minorities would have come out and voted?

Actually, it was the youth vote that propelled Obama. And it is always about percentages.

299,398,484 total population
225,746,457 total population over 18 years
122,394,724 total number of voters
54% of population voted.

Between 22 and 24 million young Americans ages 18–29 voted, resulting in an estimated youth voter turnout (the percentage of eligible voters who actually cast a vote) of between 49.3 and 54.5 percent.

This is an increase of 1 to 6 percentage points over the estimated youth turnout in 2004, and an increase of between 8 and 13 percentage points over the turnout in the 2000 election. The all-time highest youth turnout was 55.4 percent in 1972, the first year that 18-year-olds could vote in a presidential election.

Sixty-six percent of young voters cast their ballot for Barack Obama, the largest-ever showing for a presidential candidate in this age group.

Source(s):

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/… http://thetartan.org/2008/11/10/news/ele… & CNN.com
mattbrot PM mattbrot
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 6603
 
mattbrot
Participation Meter
Captain
quote#113
Posted: 11/8/2012 8:22:08 PM
it is becoming very tiring for me to constantly be the smartest man in every thread. The pressure builds up over time. 

All that aside

Again -- why even argue the % vs the actual numbers? who cares. it is what it is and is not going to change. And is a senseless argument.

The bigger question is why do 95% of blacks (regardless of what the absolute # the 95% adds up to be) always vote for the democrat? And more importantly what will the repubs do to try to narrow the gap? Do not give me the 4 year and people are going to hate the dems crap. Blacks, Hispanics, and youth vote democrat. It is what it is. So what are the repubs going to do to narrow this gap????
mattbrot PM mattbrot
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 6603
 
mattbrot
Participation Meter
Captain
quote#114
Posted: 11/8/2012 8:23:47 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by djbrow:

Actually, it was the youth vote that propelled Obama. And it is always about percentages.

299,398,484 total population
225,746,457 total population over 18 years
122,394,724 total number of voters
54% of population voted.

Between 22 and 24 million young Americans ages 18–29 voted, resulting in an estimated youth voter turnout (the percentage of eligible voters who actually cast a vote) of between 49.3 and 54.5 percent.

This is an increase of 1 to 6 percentage points over the estimated youth turnout in 2004, and an increase of between 8 and 13 percentage points over the turnout in the 2000 election. The all-time highest youth turnout was 55.4 percent in 1972, the first year that 18-year-olds could vote in a presidential election.

Sixty-six percent of young voters cast their ballot for Barack Obama, the largest-ever showing for a presidential candidate in this age group.

Source(s):

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/… http://thetartan.org/2008/11/10/news/ele… & CNN.com

 nice work.  Here's to the second smartest guy in this thread  
ApocalypseLater PM ApocalypseLater
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 4260
 
ApocalypseLater
Participation Meter
Veteran
quote#115
Posted: 11/9/2012 1:55:44 AM
good info, DJBrow... i was hoping that someone would post information about how the 18-30 vote was divided... because as i travel the world, the people who's fanaticism towards Obama strikes me the most is the people in this age range...

i think it's time to raise the voting age to 31... the young people of this country are some of the stupidest human beings to ever walk the earth...

pretty sure cavemen made more informed decisions than these friggin losers!
ApocalypseLater PM ApocalypseLater
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 4260
 
ApocalypseLater
Participation Meter
Veteran
quote#116
Posted: 11/9/2012 2:00:57 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by mattbrot:

it is becoming very tiring for me to constantly be the smartest man in every thread. The pressure builds up over time. 

All that aside

Again -- why even argue the % vs the actual numbers? who cares. it is what it is and is not going to change. And is a senseless argument.

The bigger question is why do 95% of blacks (regardless of what the absolute # the 95% adds up to be) always vote for the democrat? And more importantly what will the repubs do to try to narrow the gap? Do not give me the 4 year and people are going to hate the dems crap. Blacks, Hispanics, and youth vote democrat. It is what it is. So what are the repubs going to do to narrow this gap????



i already told you what they are going to do... let the Democrats hang themselves over the next 4 years... then put a Hispanic Republican President in the White House...

easy breezy beautiful!... i mean how hard can it be?  you already pointed out how idiotic the Democrats are... thinking they are ever the smartest person in any room, despite the fact that they have never made it to page 2 of any book, or put forth even miniscule pride or effort in their education...

real easy to think you're a genius when you have never explored the nearest corner of your own brain...
Hirschfelder PM Hirschfelder
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 2542
 
Hirschfelder
Participation Meter
Veteran
quote#117
Posted: 11/9/2012 2:27:34 AM
yes, it's the changing demographics over the last few years

in the last 6 Presidential elections, the Repubs have won the popular vote how many times?

If it was the demographics then the popular vote count would have flipped

and the hispanic republican will not make it out of thr primaries
mattbrot PM mattbrot
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 6603
 
mattbrot
Participation Meter
Captain
quote#118
Posted: 11/9/2012 8:07:25 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by ApocalypseLater:




i already told you what they are going to do... let the Democrats hang themselves over the next 4 years... then put a Hispanic Republican President in the White House...

easy breezy beautiful!... i mean how hard can it be?  you already pointed out how idiotic the Democrats are... thinking they are ever the smartest person in any room, despite the fact that they have never made it to page 2 of any book, or put forth even miniscule pride or effort in their education...

real easy to think you're a genius when you have never explored the nearest corner of your own brain...

Apocal - Relax man. My smartest man comment was obviously tongue in cheek. 

I know you already stated your opinion on the race issue. I just do not happen to fully buy it. Here is the approximate break down of %'s of votes for Obama from growing categories of voters.

Hispanic = 75%
Young = 66%
Black = 95%
Women = 55%
Asian / Pacific Islanders = 73%

88% of voters for Romney were white compared to about 56% for Obama. 

And this occurred after the "accomplishments of Obama of the past four years mind you. And it is not like this is all of a sudden a new thing. And lets not forget that these categories are only going to make up more and more of our population in the future.

Discount this theory all you want but these numbers are real and have to be worrisome. And read around various websites. This is not a unique theory that I am inventing there are many many people in the media who are saying the same thing. Of course it does not mean that it is automatically correct but the point is that it is not that far fetched of a theory.


bunny651 PM bunny651
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 6342
 
bunny651
Participation Meter
Captain
quote#119
Posted: 11/9/2012 10:04:50 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by ApocalypseLater:

it is one thing to speculate... but speculate reasonably... do you really believe THAT is why?  and besides, why did they just SUDDENLY want to take a more active role in 2008 and 2012?  social media is not something that has popped up in the last decade...

 

how exactly do you make it through the world, if you are considering EVERY single possible reason for every scenario, even the ones that are miniscule beyond description, as if they are just as likely as the obvious reason...

 

PARSIMONY, folks!  look into it...

It's funny how you think others are only considering the "miniscule reason" yet you are looking at one angle. We aren't the ones that screaming "White votes don't count anymore" or something in that nature. Your solution is to put a Hispanic Republican on the ticket and coast to the victory? Now, that's nonsense!!

Instead of finding ways to chip away the difference, you are more into proving the blacks are "racists" or calling the youths stupid. If they were, what do that says about the Republicans, the data was out there FOR YEARS. Wait, you just want to wait for the Democrats to hang themselves, that's progressive.

 

cts99 PM cts99
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 770
 
cts99
Participation Meter
Covers Rehab
quote#120
Posted: 11/9/2012 10:32:35 AM
i started this post about we have learned about this election, the one topic about black america got the most attention by a land slide.As i mention if you have not spent any time in the black commuity you have no room to give your view.Blacks will always take another blacks side wright or wrong in about 98% of the cases.Look at the OJ trial, guilty of not he was getting off with that jury.Most of black america has the attitude they are special and they are owed.They have been playing the slavery card for the last 50 years.To there credit it has worked they have half of america felling sorry for them.One step further you never here the same bs when it come to other cutlures.
djbrow PM djbrow
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 14418
 
djbrow
Participation Meter
Covers Linesmen
quote#121
Posted: 11/9/2012 10:38:14 AM
QUOTE

Originally Posted by cts99:

i started this post about we have learned about this election, the one topic about black america got the most attention by a land slide.As i mention if you have not spent any time in the black commuity you have no room to give your view.Blacks will always take another blacks side wright or wrong in about 98% of the cases.Look at the OJ trial, guilty of not he was getting off with that jury.Most of black america has the attitude they are special and they are owed.They have been playing the slavery card for the last 50 years.To there credit it has worked they have half of america felling sorry for them.One step further you never here the same bs when it come to other cutlures.

Just another shining example that racists are intellectually challenged.

djbrow PM djbrow
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 14418
 
djbrow
Participation Meter
Covers Linesmen
quote#122
Posted: 11/9/2012 10:41:51 AM
QUOTE

Originally Posted by ApocalypseLater:

good info, DJBrow... i was hoping that someone would post information about how the 18-30 vote was divided... because as i travel the world, the people who's fanaticism towards Obama strikes me the most is the people in this age range...

i think it's time to raise the voting age to 31... the young people of this country are some of the stupidest human beings to ever walk the earth...

pretty sure cavemen made more informed decisions than these friggin losers!

Why stop there? You have alrady talked about blacks. Now its the young people. We know women tend to vote Democrat and you have made your comments known about Hispanics. Perhaps we can go back to the days of affluent white property owners voting whilst all other citizens count for 2/3 for purposes of representation.

As an aside, the only difference between you and the poster in number 132 is you use prettier words.

mattbrot PM mattbrot
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 6603
 
mattbrot
Participation Meter
Captain
quote#123
Posted: 11/9/2012 10:45:06 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by cts99:

i started this post about we have learned about this election, the one topic about black america got the most attention by a land slide.As i mention if you have not spent any time in the black commuity you have no room to give your view.Blacks will always take another blacks side wright or wrong in about 98% of the cases.Look at the OJ trial, guilty of not he was getting off with that jury.Most of black america has the attitude they are special and they are owed.They have been playing the slavery card for the last 50 years.To there credit it has worked they have half of america felling sorry for them.One step further you never here the same bs when it come to other cutlures.


ok fine This is becoming circular and annoying.

So more came out and voted. True. But why have they always voted about 95% democrat (in previous elections) and why do latinos, asians, women, youth all vote predominately democrat. There are probably hundreds of reasons so it is somewhat of an open question.

The bigger question is will this change? As these groups will continue to compromise a greater % of the US population and thus the voting population in the future this is potentially a very serious issue. How will the republicans work try to gain more appeal from these populations?

This is the real question. Who cares about the amount of time you spend with blacks and your opinion on them? And your opinion that others views are worthless? That is irrelevant

What matters is how will this change?

cts99 PM cts99
Joined: Sep 2008
Posts: 770
 
cts99
Participation Meter
Covers Rehab
quote#124
Posted: 11/9/2012 11:33:11 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by mattbrot:



ok fine This is becoming circular and annoying.

So more came out and voted. True. But why have they always voted about 95% democrat (in previous elections) and why do latinos, asians, women, youth all vote predominately democrat. There are probably hundreds of reasons so it is somewhat of an open question.
The bigger question is will this change? As these groups will continue to compromise a greater % of the US population and thus the voting population in the future this is potentially a very serious issue. How will the republicans work try to gain more appeal from these populations?

This is the real question. Who cares about the amount of time you spend with blacks and your opinion on them? And your opinion that others views are worthless? That is irrelevant

What matters is how will this change?

It does not matter to you what the truth is.in your heart the math or facts do not matter.You closed minded like most of america.By the way when is the last time you spent some time in the inner city or had some blacks over for dinner and drinks and heard what there view on society.Well my views are not important why are you in the topic i started.Your typical shoot from the hip type guy with yours views,but you have no bullets.Wake up pal, the rest of world thinks the way you do. How are they doing
be easy PM be easy
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 15420
 
be easy
Participation Meter
MVP
quote#125
Posted: 11/9/2012 11:43:16 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by ApocalypseLater:

good info, DJBrow... i was hoping that someone would post information about how the 18-30 vote was divided... because as i travel the world, the people who's fanaticism towards Obama strikes me the most is the people in this age range...

i think it's time to raise the voting age to 31... the young people of this country are some of the stupidest human beings to ever walk the earth...

pretty sure cavemen made more informed decisions than these friggin losers!


um,,,what about all the greedy, and brainwashed Baby Boomers? We fund the government with income taxes, and you want the biggest voting bloc to be greedy old person that don't even work, let alone chip in their fair share, voting on what to do with all of the young, working age folks future/and dollars.

your knot the brightest tool in d shed now r u?
Forum: Politics Page 5 of 6 «  2 3 4 5 6   »
You have entered the forum as a GUEST. 
You must login/register to post or reply.