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Posted: 11/7/2012 8:01:03 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by djbrow:

That MBA is serving you well.

It's serving me very well my welfare friend

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Posted: 11/7/2012 8:18:11 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by djbrow:

That MBA is serving you well.




DJ, since you are  so good at questioning CANADA MBA creds, as Mr Cova's political moderator, I would be very enlightened to hear your sentiments about last night's election results  AND your opinion of what this will/could do to America's future, short and long term


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Posted: 11/7/2012 8:34:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Crusher13:




DJ, since you are  so good at questioning CANADA MBA creds, as Mr Cova's political moderator, I would be very enlightened to hear your sentiments about last night's election results  AND your opinion of what this will/could do to America's future, short and long term


Crusher, like his mentor Obama, djbrow has nothing to bring to the table other than his condescending behavior but I exposed this fraud for what he is, an intellectually challenged loser, so it's all good.

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Posted: 11/7/2012 9:07:14 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by CanadaCup:

Crusher, like his mentor Obama, djbrow has nothing to bring to the table other than his condescending behavior but I exposed this fraud for what he is, an intellectually challenged loser, so it's all good.


You haven't exposed anything. You made an errant comment about the stock market on certain dates and DJ called you out on it. He provided dates and numbers which you have yet to refute using a credible source. You also claim to have an MBA which makes your mistake seem even worse since it looks like you made your comment without any research at all. 


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Posted: 11/7/2012 9:25:07 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Ktrain:


You haven't exposed anything. You made an errant comment about the stock market on certain dates and DJ called you out on it. He provided dates and numbers which you have yet to refute using a credible source. You also claim to have an MBA which makes your mistake seem even worse since it looks like you made your comment without any research at all. 



  claiming victory as a way to avoid the topic at hand = 

but unfortunately it happens all too often. 
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Posted: 11/7/2012 9:39:20 PM
I do not understand any person whom would vote to raise their own taxes.
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Posted: 11/7/2012 9:40:51 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Crusher13:




DJ, since you are  so good at questioning CANADA MBA creds, as Mr Cova's political moderator, I would be very enlightened to hear your sentiments about last night's election results  AND your opinion of what this will/could do to America's future, short and long term




How bout you Matt and K? I would absolutely LOVE to hear, for the record of course, what/how last nights results will affect America's future
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Posted: 11/7/2012 9:50:31 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Crusher13:



 I pray last nights election results DOES NOT pour fuel similarily like Rome's eventual demise

Btw, did anybody catch BHO's words in his speech last night when he said we will all "succeed" or "fail" together as a nation...hmmmmmm.... I can only take a man for his words.. 
  BRAVO you have fine mind you get what course were going.All roads lead to ROME and as Americans we almost there.
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Posted: 11/7/2012 10:28:43 PM
Crusher... we share the same fears... and regarding the Rome analogy... more than 20 years ago, was telling people that America is becoming a mirror-image of Rome before it's downfall...

we continue to head down that path... we can be hopeful, but i am virtually certain no amount of hope can save this dying empire... maybe it is just inevitable that all dominant empires will eventually fall into decay, as a result of ethics and morality being tossed aside and given no value...

one could certainly right a book drawing parallels between ancient Rome during its decay, and the US right now...

i have a VERY sick feeling today... and i am coming off of my 2nd most profitable single day of betting in my entire life... i can't say i feel one ounce of joy in winning that bet...
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Posted: 11/7/2012 11:14:40 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by djbrow:

What about the whites that have only voted for white candidates?





let's not forget that the blacks have voted for a lot of white presidents


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Posted: 11/7/2012 11:17:24 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Slovak:



90+% of Blacks were expected to vote Obama anyways because of him being a democrat. Does anyone have a breakdown of how many Blacks actually voted this time around as compared to 2008 and the previous elections? I would imagine that the increase in Black vote was in the millions in 2008.

I would expect if Hilary runs in 2016 that the Black turnout won't be anywhere near as high.


Hold on to your crystal ball

Blacks have voted for a lot of white presidents

Do you live in America or are you from Slovakia ?

what do you know about American history ?


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Posted: 11/7/2012 11:48:50 PM
you have not answered my questions

1) Do you live in America or are you from Slovakia ?

2) what do you know about American history ?

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Posted: 11/7/2012 11:51:12 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Slovak:

2 million more African Americans and 2 Million more Hispanics voted in the 2008 election than they did just 4 years earlier. So now this 94% of the Black vote seems more relevant doesn't it?





was trying to explain this earlier, with little success...


ilsp2003... looks to me like he's from Indiana, and based on his arguments i'm pretty sure he's from America... but i am just curious what YOU know about American history?
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Posted: 11/8/2012 12:05:17 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Slovak:

1.) Yes I am from the U.S.

2.) I know a great deal about American History

I have 2 questions for you.

1.) Are you from the United States or La La Land?

2.) Do you realize it is 2012?


if you are from the U.S why is your screen name SLOVAK ?

what do you know about voting rights ?

where do you get yoru data ?

how the hell do you know that blacks voted for Obama because he is black

by the way Obama is 1/2 black 1/2 white


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Posted: 11/8/2012 12:22:18 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Slovak:

So you think it was just a coincidence that 2 million more blacks(not to mention the other millions of minorities) decided to vote in 2008 than 4 years prior? You think they came out and voted for him because of his promise of change?

I realize that he is 1/2 and 1/2, but if he was 100% white, do you really think that there would have been that large of a growth in Minority vote from the previous election?


What does anyone's screen name have to do where they are from?




Neither what you think nor what I think matter because you are entitled to your opinion  so am I .

it's about the facts

what you are saying does not add up
because black people voted for Obama does not mean they are racists. Black people have voted for only white presidents in the past. Clinton, Kerry, Gore, Dukakis, Mondale, and Carter are not black

Obama inherited a friggin mess and it's going to take more than 4 years to fix. Hillary would have gotten the same kind of support from the black community

why should Black people vote for a guy whose religion believe that being black is a curse ?



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Posted: 11/8/2012 12:41:14 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by ilsp2003:


how the hell do you know that blacks voted for Obama because he is black




how the hell do you NOT know that?  what world do you live in?  is this just an issue of naivete?  or wanting to think the best of huma nature?

we live in the real world, my friend... garbage isn't that complicated, especially if you OBSERVE...

give it a shot!  you'd be amazed what you can learn...
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Posted: 11/8/2012 12:44:24 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Crusher13:



How bout you Matt and K? I would absolutely LOVE to hear, for the record of course, what/how last nights results will affect America's future

I don't feel like anything is going to change in America. I didn't vote for either of these two clowns. I voted third party for two reasons: because I don't have any significant faith in Obama or Romney and because I think the two party political system in America needs to be opened up to better represent the vast diversity of its citizens. 

Neither of these guys really represent what I am interested in, or in other terms, they each marginally represent my views....barely. 

I would consider myself a fiscal conservative(seems to be a popular phrase these days) however I don't think inflating the military budget while slashing social programs(like planned parenthood) is the way to save money. I would actually like to see it in reverse. End the wars, re-fools overseas bases and assignment and worry about our own country rather than trying to police the world and spread American imperialism, which is the real reason most of the world hates us. 

Also, I don't want anyone telling me how I should live my life according a religious book of any kind. I don't want to hear about I have to live to someone else's moral religious standard. I'm pro choice, and don't give a garbage about happy marriage. If happy people want to get married, good for them. Give them the same equal rights as traditional married couples. 

One thing I refuse to do however, is to blame Obama for everything that is wrong with this country. Is he our savior? Abso-friggin-lutely not! Is he more trustworthy than anything, and I mean anything, the GOP put out there? Yes and that was decided the second they let their choice of candidate essentially become a crazy religious person like Perry and Bachmann, or a hypocritical adulterer like Gingrich and ignored its best candidate: Ron Paul. 

Sorry if I don't want to jump on your band wagon of blaming the world on Obama, because his first term isn't and shouldn't be judged in a vacuum. This country has been running deficits for almost the last 30 years, even under your savior Reagan it was. The national debt has been growing the entire time. It didn't just start four years ago. 
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Posted: 11/8/2012 12:48:48 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by ilsp2003:



because black people voted for Obama does not mean they are racists. Black people have voted for only white presidents in the past. Clinton, Kerry, Gore, Dukakis, Mondale, and Carter are not black


why should Black people vote for a guy whose religion believe that being black is a curse?








how much do YOU know about American History... because it appears you are unaware that 2008 was the first time a black candidate has ever run for President... did you know this?

maybe this will make it simpler... how many times has the black population ever voted AGAINST a black candidate?  in the combined 2008 and 2012 elections... how many black votes were cast AGAINST Barrack Obama?

now... how many were cast FOR him?

regarding the religion comment... gee!  i was under the impression that Obama is the same religion as all those football players who thank Jesus after they score a touchdown...




my God i am becoming more terrified to live in this country every day...
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Posted: 11/8/2012 11:00:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Slovak:

2 million more African Americans and 2 Million more Hispanics voted in the 2008 election than they did just 4 years earlier. So now this 94% of the Black vote seems more relevant doesn't it?


 

Sure, that's a contributing factor. What I don't understand is why certain people(not you) just like to single this out as if that's why GOP lost without looking at others. For instance, Asian Americans overvehemently supported Obama this time around. While I am sure there are quite a few, they don't normally fit the "entitlement, welfare" mode. As a matter of fact, they are traditionally more conservative and in line with its ideology. Women also supported him with a big margin.

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Posted: 11/8/2012 3:02:49 PM
Slovak, maybe they are more in touch with politics due to social media and want to take a more active role. Just an idea.
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it is one thing to speculate... but speculate reasonably... do you really believe THAT is why?  and besides, why did they just SUDDENLY want to take a more active role in 2008 and 2012?  social media is not something that has popped up in the last decade...

 

how exactly do you make it through the world, if you are considering EVERY single possible reason for every scenario, even the ones that are miniscule beyond description, as if they are just as likely as the obvious reason...

 

PARSIMONY, folks!  look into it...

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Posted: 11/8/2012 3:23:22 PM
Facebook, MySpace, twitter did pop up in the last decade. Lots of people, especially younger ones that are into technology, are on these forms of social media. It's no secret that Asians are pretty big into technology. Sorry to stereotype big it does have some truth.

Like I said, just an idea.
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Posted: 11/8/2012 3:51:24 PM
i think it's a pretty big reach, ktrain...


i don't really have time to look these things up, but i'm sure this information is available, so maybe someone else can look into it and share the results:


How many black voters cast their vote for Obama in 2008?
How many black voters cast their vote against Obama in 2008?
How many black voters cast their vote for Obama in 2012?
How many black voters cast their vote against Obama in 2012?

Now...

How many black voters cast their vote for EITHER candidate in 2004?
How many black voters cast their vote for EITHER candidate in 2000?
How many black voters cast their vote for EITHER candidate in 1996?
How many black voters cast their vote for EITHER candidate in 1992?


i would venture to guess that the entire number of black votes cast in the previous 4 elections, does not even come close to the number of black votes cast for Obama in EITHER 2008 OR 2012...


i don't think you can dismiss those numbers with your social media argument... i don't think logic supports it to begin with... we may have only had social media for a decade or so, but we've all had TVs for 50+ years... and we've all had the right to vote for 80+ years...
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Posted: 11/8/2012 3:57:58 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by bunny651:

 

Sure, that's a contributing factor. What I don't understand is why certain people(not you) just like to single this out as if that's why GOP lost without looking at others. For instance, Asian Americans overvehemently supported Obama this time around. While I am sure there are quite a few, they don't normally fit the "entitlement, welfare" mode. As a matter of fact, they are traditionally more conservative and in line with its ideology. Women also supported him with a big margin.




first, i (personally) and not looking into this to find a reason why Romney lost... that is not the issue... the issues are (a) that there is an irresponsibility factor to voting for someone PURELY based on the color of their skin... and (b) there is a dangerous precedent being set here for all future elections... this is what Civil Wars are made of... this country has not been more divided since the 1900s...


second, the distributions of Asian and Latin Americans are not as skewed... Asians and Hispanics were more of a 3:1 distribution... African Americans were close to a 20:1 distribution... please do NOT try to suggest those distributions are saying the same thing... that is statistical nonsense!!!


for comparison (since some people are suggesting that Whites only voted based on color)... the distribution of White Males who voted for Romney, to those who voted for Obama, is a 3:2 ratio... well within expected values of statistical variance...


so let's get our math straight here...
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Posted: 11/8/2012 5:25:48 PM
Apocalypse,

I was more referring to Slovaks comments about Asian voter turnout increase.

My comments weren't directed towards black voter turnout.

I think they vote democrat because for different reasons, not social media.
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