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Posted: 11/7/2012 12:32:08 PM
we learnt the polls were 100% correct

Republicans talk a good game but their bark is worse than their bite.

Old white folk will continue to die and be replaced by minorities, the republican base will continue to erode
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Posted: 11/7/2012 12:32:51 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by CalifDreamin:

My biggest problem with the whole "rich people paying more taxes to support the poor" is that most of the poor people do nothing to improve themselves and waste a huge portion of this "money theyre being given."
Its like getting paid unemployment. Ive knowb about fifteen people in my life who have gotten unemployment and you know what the first thing all fifteen people did when they got their first unemployment check is??? . . . . . . Quit looking for a job!!!!!

The american people are the problem here. Everybody wants to blame anyone else for their shitty position in life and now we have Obama standing up there saying "youre right! It is someone elses fault!!!!" As they blame bush, republicans stonewalling him, youre racist if you dont support him blah blah blah

Unfortunately the number of people looking for handouts has overtaken the number of people who wanna work for a living and its showing. Its only gonna get worse too.

Im a small business owner and ZERO of other small business owners like Obama, thats right . . . . ZERO!!!! But hey, my jobless buddy who smoked dope all day in his garage and my three family members who all get a monthly check from the govt (2 retired employee and one ex military) think he's awesome!!!

Go figure. . . .


ok. broad strokes man...
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Exit polls showed that most Americans still blame Bush for our economic woes

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Thank God in Canada, you can have a defense budget that is 3% of your GNP as opposed to 30% since you have our military to protect you.

Tell your “freerider” comment to the 150+ families who lost loved ones “free-loading” in the most dangerous part of Afghanistan. In Kandahar, a significant portion of the U.S. deployment there a few years ago served under a Canadian general. Same goes for NORAD. Consider that when you question the quality of your allies!!!!  

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Friend of one o fmy kids has 3 kids lives in the twin cities all 3 have different dads. She is very good looking girl with a brain expect when it comes to self reliance.This girls looks alone could get her work.she gets housing, food stamps,she lives in apartment not govt housing,free medical and somewhere around 1200 a month why would she take a job. Her kids are done, if you met her you would not think the above mention is true.She only is interested in a party.There are millions on this same train.because they know uncle sam will pay for them.I understand there is about 114 govt freebee programs and that does not count the states county.Do the math.
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@mattbrot - Im in california, the absolute worst of the worst area as far as entitlement, reverse racism, and "its all bushs fault." Then i see people at the casino spending their welfare money, its pathetic. I go to a "Union" construction job and a guy tells me "its about three hours worth of work but were gonna milk it so the whole crew can get a full eight hours, were working for the state so its no biggie." That happens soooooooo much its sickening and then these same people cry and cry and cry if their pay or pension or anything is threatened. Hey man my union! Dont badmouth my union! As theyre just screwing you blind.

Broad strokes doesnt mean incorrect, regardless of what the "new crowd" tells you
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QUOTE Originally Posted by CanadaCup:

Tell your “freerider” comment to the 150+ families who lost loved ones “free-loading” in the most dangerous part of Afghanistan. In Kandahar, a significant portion of the U.S. deployment there a few years ago served under a Canadian general. Same goes for NORAD. Consider that when you question the quality of your allies!!!!  

My comment addressed solely the percentage of your GNP that is devoted to defense.

Its much easier to spend on social issues, like Canada does, when you don't have the same need for defense spending.

But it is interesting watching you decry the freeloader innuendo, which was never said, whilst blaming American 'freeloaders' for the state of the economy.

Facinating, actually. You are a hit with the lesser intellectual participants in this thread. No names needed but I believe that CTS is Dreaming of being East of Oakland.

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Posted: 11/7/2012 12:51:29 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by djbrow:

My comment addressed solely the percentage of your GNP that is devoted to defense.

Its much easier to spend on social issues, like Canada does, when you don't have the same need for defense spending.

But it is interesting watching you decry the freeloader innuendo, which was never said, whilst blaming American 'freeloaders' for the state of the economy.

Facinating, actually. You are a hit with the lesser intellectual participants in this thread. No names needed but I believe that CTS is Dreaming of being East of Oakland.

Every thing in the open post is my view and i think it close to the truth.
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Originally Posted by cts99:

Every thing in the open post is my view and i think it close to the truth.

 

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QUOTE Originally Posted by djbrow:

My comment addressed solely the percentage of your GNP that is devoted to defense.

Its much easier to spend on social issues, like Canada does, when you don't have the same need for defense spending.

But it is interesting watching you decry the freeloader innuendo, which was never said, whilst blaming American 'freeloaders' for the state of the economy.

Facinating, actually. You are a hit with the lesser intellectual participants in this thread. No names needed but I believe that CTS is Dreaming of being East of Oakland.

Wow you're ignorance never ceases to amaze me.  Obama has been running a deficit of 1.3 trillion dollars every year he's been in office and that's not including the money he's borrowed from the World Bank . Altogether he's added over 15 trillion dollars to the U.S. debt and dropped their credit rating from AAA to AA which means U.S. citizens now pay a much higher rate .The world economy is going to take another drop within 24 months, when that happens the U.S. debt will be at 20 trillion with Obama running a 1.6 trillion dollar deficit given his current economic policies. Obama is currently printing money that the US economy can't back, the devaluing of the U.S. greenback will of course hurt Americans buying power. Too bad djbrow you can't grasp the economic plight of what's happening to you're own country but keep drinking that Obama Kool-Aid brother and good luck to you, you're definitely going to need it.

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QUOTE Originally Posted by CanadaCup:

Wow you're ignorance never ceases to amaze me.  Obama has been running a deficit of 1.3 trillion dollars every year he's been in office and that's not including the money he's borrowed from the World Bank . Altogether he's added over 15 trillion dollars to the U.S. debt and dropped their credit rating from AAA to AA which means U.S. citizens now pay a much higher rate .The world economy is going to take another drop within 24 months, when that happens the U.S. debt will be at 20 trillion with Obama running a 1.6 trillion dollar deficit given his current economic policies. Obama is currently printing money that the US economy can't back, the devaluing of the U.S. greenback will of course hurt Americans buying power. Too bad djbrow you can't grasp the economic plight of what's happening to you're own country but keep drinking that Obama Kool-Aid brother and good luck to you, you're definitely going to need it.

Interesting answer considering it did not address one point I made in post 32.

But to humor you, do you simultaneously find fault with the American system? Do you find fault with Bush and his predecessors? Do you understand that the US budget does not exist in a vacuum and that expenses are mandated year to year based on previous budgets (medicaid/care, military, pensions, etc).

It is much easier with the Canadian budget since you have far fewer expenses (a budget that is nearly 1/100th that of the US). Do we have a spending problem? Absolutely.

But the simpleton nature of your suggestion that you elect another person and it just goes away exemplifies the rudementary understanding of both global and regional economies.

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Posted: 11/7/2012 1:23:35 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by CalifDreamin:

@mattbrot - Im in california, the absolute worst of the worst area as far as entitlement, reverse racism, and "its all bushs fault." Then i see people at the casino spending their welfare money, its pathetic. I go to a "Union" construction job and a guy tells me "its about three hours worth of work but were gonna milk it so the whole crew can get a full eight hours, were working for the state so its no biggie." That happens soooooooo much its sickening and then these same people cry and cry and cry if their pay or pension or anything is threatened. Hey man my union! Dont badmouth my union! As theyre just screwing you blind.

Broad strokes doesnt mean incorrect, regardless of what the "new crowd" tells you


I posted this in a thread a couple of days ago. Check out the link and then see where those states fall on the political lines.

From a Sept 12 article.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/09/where-are-the-47-of-americans-who-pay-no-income-taxes/262499/

the top 10 states with the most that fall in the "47%"
1) Idaho
2) New Mexico
3) Texas
4) Louisiana
5) Arkansas
6) Mississippi
7) Alabama
8) Georgia
9) Florida
10) South Carolina

the top 10 states with the fewest that fall in the "47%"
1) Washington
2) Wyoming
3) North Dakota
4) Minnesota
5) Virginia
6) Maryland
7) Connecticut
8) Massachusetts
9) Alaska
10) New Hampshire

Pretty telling

My point about broad strokes is not to imply that the country does not need to reign in "entitlements" etc. rather that the fact is that it is immensely misleading and incorrect to imply that the blame goes only to democrats. 



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also you seem to be implying that this is the only thing that democrats voted on and why Obama won while ignoring the other issues such as women's rights, foreign policy, immigration etc... All things that Obama and Mitt differed on quite a bit.

that is what I meant by broad strokes.
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great thread CTS... i was going to make this thread last night but my internet was buggy and i lost patience... let me add some things (forgive me if i am re-iterating what someone already posted)...



this is afterall, a gambling site... so let me offer some insight into election handicapping:



why was this so easy, for someone like me, who is neither Republican, nor Democrat, but simply evaluates things on their absolute merit?

imagine, that the Super Bowl always had the same two teams in it, because those were the ONLY TWO TEAMS there are... that means, every year, HALF of the people would be rooting for one team, and HALF would be rooting for the other... because EVERYBODY'S favorite team would be playing in the game...

we all know how much of a no-no it is to bet on/against your favorite team... we never have complete clarity when we do this...

so what's going to happen in such a Super Bowl scenario... will there EVER be a huge favorite?  no... never!  because no matter how lopsided the matchup really is... HALF of the people will be looking at their underdog (on the Money-line) as being a great bet!  "i can't pass up on this value"... of course you can't... you have no ability to see this clearly...


this is what happens in the Presidential election... this was NEVER a contest... and yet HALF the country was convinced that Romney was going to win... many of them thought it would be a landslide...

doesn't that sound a lot like people who are betting on their favorite team?  there is no objectivity...


the Presidential election will ALWAYS (without exception) possess this dynamic... it was utterly ridiculous that i could EVER at any time get Obama (-150) or even (-200)... this was a 95/5 proposition, in all reality...



which leads to the next point... STOP friggin WATCHING FOXNEWS AND MSNBC if you ever want to regain control of your senses... they are not making you stupider BY MISTAKE... it is by design!  a stupider public makes manipulation of thought so much simpler...

stop being so friggin easy to manipulate, you tools!
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QUOTE Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

I do think it is strange that 93% of "blacks" according to NBC last night voted for Obama. That's not a whole lot of ideological diversity within a specific "ethnic" group. GOP has done a terrible job on that front (i.e. expanding their base) and got their behind handed to them last night as a direct result.

The GOP needs to drop the social conservatives and embrace and become the party of fiscal conservatism and personal individual liberty. Get your hands out of my pocketbook, and oh yeah, get your hands out of my bedroom too.

THAT is a winning ideology.

Exactly.  It's so funny because abortion rights are never EVER going to change.  They just aren't.  Why can't you be against abortion but also say you don't believe in telling someone else what to do.  Is stuff like prayer or condoms in school really that important to make a big stink over?

Why they even care about catering to their base is beyond me (I love the repubs...."we need to get the base energized!").  
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QUOTE Originally Posted by ApocalypseLater:

great thread CTS... i was going to make this thread last night but my internet was buggy and i lost patience... let me add some things (forgive me if i am re-iterating what someone already posted)...



this is afterall, a gambling site... so let me offer some insight into election handicapping:



why was this so easy, for someone like me, who is neither Republican, nor Democrat, but simply evaluates things on their absolute merit?

imagine, that the Super Bowl always had the same two teams in it, because those were the ONLY TWO TEAMS there are... that means, every year, HALF of the people would be rooting for one team, and HALF would be rooting for the other... because EVERYBODY'S favorite team would be playing in the game...

we all know how much of a no-no it is to bet on/against your favorite team... we never have complete clarity when we do this...

so what's going to happen in such a Super Bowl scenario... will there EVER be a huge favorite?  no... never!  because no matter how lopsided the matchup really is... HALF of the people will be looking at their underdog (on the Money-line) as being a great bet!  "i can't pass up on this value"... of course you can't... you have no ability to see this clearly...


this is what happens in the Presidential election... this was NEVER a contest... and yet HALF the country was convinced that Romney was going to win... many of them thought it would be a landslide...

doesn't that sound a lot like people who are betting on their favorite team?  there is no objectivity...


the Presidential election will ALWAYS (without exception) possess this dynamic... it was utterly ridiculous that i could EVER at any time get Obama (-150) or even (-200)... this was a 95/5 proposition, in all reality...



which leads to the next point... STOP friggin WATCHING FOXNEWS AND MSNBC if you ever want to regain control of your senses... they are not making you stupider BY MISTAKE... it is by design!  a stupider public makes manipulation of thought so much simpler...

stop being so friggin easy to manipulate, you tools!


Which is why I love Nate Silver. This guy is a stats stud which essentially makes him one hell of a capper. He does this in sports as well. He just used numbers and stats and creates a model to come up with his prediction.

I have no idea why so many people (especially the repubs) were giving him such a hard time. It is no like this was the first time he has been eerily correct.
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Posted: 11/7/2012 1:34:51 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by mr_bollox:

we learnt the polls were 100% correct




almost forgot about this...


so many people bet on Romney because they were convinced the polls were in accurate... in fact, they were correct, perhaps... because the polls should have been slightly more skewed towards Obama (for a number of reasons i won't get into, but which played out in terms of the votes)...

dismiss the polls (and particularly the people who KNOW HOW to break them down) at your own peril...
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Which is why I love Nate Silver. This guy is a stats stud which essentially makes him one hell of a capper. He does this in sports as well. He just used numbers and stats and creates a model to come up with his prediction.

I have no idea why so many people (especially the repubs) were giving him such a hard time. It is no like this was the first time he has been eerily correct.



there are a couple guys out there doing this... they analyze purely from a numbers standpoint, and the amount of raw data, and cross-referencing done, is truly impressive to someone like me, who has a great respect for statistics (when used properly)...


i read this (i won't say the source), and it stuck with me from the moment i read it until now, and will for a long time...


based on his breakdowns of past elections, and analysis of poll data... he was trying to find the probabilities of a candidate LOSING any state, despite having an aggregate lead in the state polls of more than 2 points...

in his terms... "there is no precedent for a candidate losing a state when leading in the polls by 2 points"...



and guess what?  there is STILL no precedent... Obama won EVERY state in which he was leading in the polls... most people though Romney was leading in the polls in Virginia, but he wasn't... and he only had a slight lead in Florida...

this garbage ain't that complicated, when there are people out there doing the work for us...
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QUOTE Originally Posted by djbrow:

Interesting answer considering it did not address one point I made in post 32.

But to humor you, do you simultaneously find fault with the American system? Do you find fault with Bush and his predecessors? Do you understand that the US budget does not exist in a vacuum and that expenses are mandated year to year based on previous budgets (medicaid/care, military, pensions, etc).

It is much easier with the Canadian budget since you have far fewer expenses (a budget that is nearly 1/100th that of the US). Do we have a spending problem? Absolutely.

But the simpleton nature of your suggestion that you elect another person and it just goes away exemplifies the rudementary understanding of both global and regional economies.

Couldn't care less about you're diarrhea verbiage and misconstruing the facts of my previous posts but explain to me why the Dow is down by over 300 points if Obama was such a good choice for Americans? That big loss affects many Americans who have mutual funds and stocks in their 401k's. Business is what drives every economy and provides every cent of revenue to the IRS.

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I learned that a lot of people still couldn't grasp why their canadiate lost and took the easy way out instead. Democrats have got 90%+ the black votes for a long time now and Bush won with his fair share of Hispanics' votes. This time around, the Republican managed to alienate them all, not to mention the women. Hell, the exit-poll has shown Americans(across the races) believe Obama actually is more suited to handle the economy and that has nothing to do with the imcompetency on how they couldn't even convey the message in the downturn?? This blame game on the other side is not going to work!!
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QUOTE Originally Posted by CanadaCup:

Couldn't care less about you're diarrhea verbiage and misconstruing the facts of my previous posts but explain to me why the Dow is down by over 300 points if Obama was such a good choice for Americans? That big loss affects many Americans who have mutual funds and stocks in their 401k's. Business is what drives every economy and provides every cent of revenue to the IRS.

You mean because the dow is up over 60% since Obama took office in 2008?

http://blogs.wsj.com/marketbeat/2012/11/06/what-an-obama-win-may-mean-for-stocks/

Intellectual debate isn't your strong suit is it.

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Intellectual debate isn't your strong suit is it.

It is, but you sir are no intellectual.

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My biggest problem with the whole "rich people paying more taxes to support the poor" is that most of the poor people do nothing to improve themselves and waste a huge portion of this "money theyre being given."
Its like getting paid unemployment. Ive knowb about fifteen people in my life who have gotten unemployment and you know what the first thing all fifteen people did when they got their first unemployment check is??? . . . . . . Quit looking for a job!!!!!

The american people are the problem here. Everybody wants to blame anyone else for their shitty position in life and now we have Obama standing up there saying "youre right! It is someone elses fault!!!!" As they blame bush, republicans stonewalling him, youre racist if you dont support him blah blah blah

Unfortunately the number of people looking for handouts has overtaken the number of people who wanna work for a living and its showing. Its only gonna get worse too.

Im a small business owner and ZERO of other small business owners like Obama, thats right . . . . ZERO!!!! But hey, my jobless buddy who smoked dope all day in his garage and my three family members who all get a monthly check from the govt (2 retired employee and one ex military) think he's awesome!!!

Go figure. . . .

Exactly and living in California is the absolute worst place for all of this. People in California dont give a garbage because they are so wrapped up in this bullshit media that they actually believe they deserve hand outs. My Dads uncle once told me a story. In Iran he would charge my Dad interest on a loan if he ever needed money and made him work for it. But at the end of the month he would go down to the poorest villages in Iran and give them clothes, food, etc...the difference between that and the people who get free garbage in America is simple. The people in the villages appreciate what they get, they dont feel entitled to it at all. Either way they would live their lives and be happy for whatever comes their way. In America, people will revolt and say you are not helping the poor and we deserve this. No one deserves anything except what they work for. Obama got to where he was by hard work I dont understand what he doesnt understand about this methodology. Capitalism is the only way to go in America, the ONLY way. I feel sorry for business owner who have been living in this country for the last 4 years. I guess since Obama wants to give everyone welfare, I should stop looking for a job too and join these lazy liberals and collect welfare. Also the whole union thing is straight garbage, why do I have to join a union and stand in line for a construction job? Why cant I just go get a construction job and work....why do I have to pay money to a fuckin union? So they can bullshit around and act like they are looking for a job. Delete the union bullshit and let every man act for themselves. Stop eliminating jobs for others.

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It is, but you sir are no intellectual.

That may be, but then again, one can only use as much intellect as the debate calls for. When you fault Obama for the stock market which runs against the facts, it shows many things including your lack of coherence, fundamental understanding of economics, and rudementary policy.

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QUOTE Originally Posted by djbrow:

That may be, but then again, one can only use as much intellect as the debate calls for. When you fault Obama for the stock market which runs against the facts, it shows many things including your lack of coherence, fundamental understanding of economics, and rudementary policy.

It's rudimentary policy genius obviously you don't have an M.B.A. djbrow but you're debating with one that does.

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