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Posted: 10/11/2012 11:08:52 PM
CD you post as though you are waiting for Bidens call to invite you over for a sleepover. 
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Posted: 10/11/2012 11:11:33 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by cd329:

Mojo, because they are always looking to darn the little guy ever chance they get, thats why.  Take your fox news blinders off and you might be able to finally see how horrible most rich people are.

Look no farther then all the rich fatcats that exploit people in other countries and use them as friggin slaves.

Apple pays their people overseas 16 friggin cents an hour.  I hope Steve Jobs is burning in hell right now.

Do you want me to go on?

Look at what the fatcats on wallstreet have done to our country with their stealing and cheating.

These are all the people you look up to in your life. My friend you must not have a moral born in your body. Now go back to  some rich fatcat


You're a sad little fella aren't you? I ask a normal question and you come back and rip me. 
Sorry you failed in life  and you hate those that made it. I think the one example you made is sound business, why on earth pay $8 an hour when you can pay .16? if someone will work for it you'd be a fool not to do it. 
As for morality think someone who actually cares about people is far more moral than a hateful person like yourself. 
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Posted: 10/11/2012 11:12:05 PM

Already had one CEO say that he will have to lay off 7,000 people if Obama is re-elected. 

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Takes that CEO 4 years to make a decision? 

Taxes rarely even enter into business decision making processes.

If want to prove that wrong, ask your CEO what his effective tax rate is and he will have no idea.

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Posted: 10/11/2012 11:12:36 PM

I don't think Biden is wealthy- as career politicians go...

 

I find him sincere, just really awkward in his delivery...

 

Have always liked him and think he is a really really bright guy- just struggles to accurately communicate his points-

 

Too emotional (as was mentioned earlier) but one of the good guys IMO.....

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Posted: 10/11/2012 11:12:48 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by bigvern1013:

Watching Joe Biden talk is painful.....if he wasn't a politician then he would be a tv evangelist selling god to senior citizens.

That guy is a hustler, pure and simple.....he does the bidding for the multinational banks with a twinkle in his eye, and claims to be for the common man....that prick has 400$ worth of Kobe beef and caviar in his colon right now.

Why do you really think that Biden was laughing all night long???  He was laughing because he knows he is an elite, and everyone else can suck on it.  I am not sure we realize just how much contempt he has for the American intellect.

Having said all of that about Biden, Ryan is the new guy that wants to take his job working for the banking heavies. 

All politicians stink.  This has been the rule since the beginning of time. 

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Posted: 10/11/2012 11:15:09 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by FriedShrimp:

Already had one CEO say that he will have to lay off 7,000 people if Obama is re-elected. 

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Takes that CEO 4 years to make a decision? 

Taxes rarely even enter into business decision making processes.

If want to prove that wrong, ask your CEO what his effective tax rate is and he will have no idea.

One point that got completely glossed over is that 8/10 (Ithink was the %) of small businesses have taxes passed on to the individual (S corp)...

 

So a lot of the posturing about taxes on small businesses is moot...

 

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Posted: 10/11/2012 11:21:06 PM

In Big Business...... you could ask 1000 decision makers what their company's effective tax rate is.  Bet less than 2 people would even pretend to guess.  Seriously, nobody knows and I doubt anybody even really cares. 

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Posted: 10/11/2012 11:23:43 PM

FriedShrimp:

There are many ways to make financial disclosures look "thin".  Biden has been living on the public dime since the 1970's...he has had a lifetime full of comp treatment.

All he has to do is have a few "friendly" corporate entities claim assets for him.  There are all sorts of ways that Biden can maintain hard assets without them showing up on his balance sheet.  

Hell, he can have REIT real estate holdings that are located overseas or outside of American jurisdiction...his name never shows up as owning anything of value, yet it shows up in the investment trust's name....and he could be the majority stakeholder.....perfectly legal, and off the books.

Those two mechanisms alone can hide 10's of millions in hard assets.  Do not forget that he is on the government payroll, all of his expenses are covered, plus a salary.

Joe Biden is not just a rich man...he is a wealthy man.  His wife works as a teacher because she wants to, not because she has to. 

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Posted: 10/11/2012 11:26:54 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by bigvern1013:

FriedShrimp:

There are many ways to make financial disclosures look "thin".  Biden has been living on the public dime since the 1970's...he has had a lifetime full of comp treatment.

All he has to do is have a few "friendly" corporate entities claim assets for him.  There are all sorts of ways that Biden can maintain hard assets without them showing up on his balance sheet.  

Hell, he can have REIT real estate holdings that are located overseas or outside of American jurisdiction...his name never shows up as owning anything of value, yet it shows up in the investment trust's name....and he could be the majority stakeholder.....perfectly legal, and off the books.

Those two mechanisms alone can hide 10's of millions in hard assets.  Do not forget that he is on the government payroll, all of his expenses are covered, plus a salary.

Joe Biden is not just a rich man...he is a wealthy man.  His wife works as a teacher because she wants to, not because she has to. 

Any evidence/links to support this assertion?

 

Or is is just speculation?

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Posted: 10/11/2012 11:29:47 PM

bigvern............ Sure, he may also have swiss bank accounts.  But I doubt it.  In fact, I bet he would be one of the last possiple Senators you could buy off.

Sure, Senators get benefits but the cost of maintaining a residence in DC is by no means cheap.  And Senator salaries are like 200k or less.

 

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Posted: 10/11/2012 11:32:04 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by bigvern1013:

Watching Joe Biden talk is painful.....if he wasn't a politician then he would be a tv evangelist selling god to senior citizens.

That guy is a hustler, pure and simple.....he does the bidding for the multinational banks with a twinkle in his eye, and claims to be for the common man....that prick has 400$ worth of Kobe beef and caviar in his colon right now.

Why do you really think that Biden was laughing all night long???  He was laughing because he knows he is an elite, and everyone else can suck on it.  I am not sure we realize just how much contempt he has for the American intellect.

 

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Posted: 10/11/2012 11:33:11 PM

In terms of buying influence..... that is one of the reasons I support the new Democrats/Liberals.  They don't have to be bought.  Their election strategy doesn't require it......... it's essentially 99% vs 1% according to the way the campaign platforms have been heading.  No need to sell out.

Fried finds that refreshing.

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Posted: 10/11/2012 11:34:54 PM

Obama's strategy is simple.......... "screw the power brokers, let's hold an election"

 

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Posted: 10/11/2012 11:40:16 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by FriedShrimp:

Obama's strategy is simple.......... "screw the power brokers, let's hold an election"

 

He's bought and paid for as well....

Screw the people and screw the truth-

Romney is no better..but Obama doesn't get a pass here...

 

We're fucked either way...

 

The most disturbing thing to me is that these two are the best we can come up with...

Rome is burning and Nero is fiddling......

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Posted: 10/11/2012 11:48:08 PM

FriedShrimp....fair enough, I have a different opinion of Biden, but that is ok.  Agree to disagree, and you are welcome to your opinion.

DSN150:

Biden's senatorial record of employment pretty much sums up how many tax dollars he has earned over the course of his political career.  His first term was in 1972....not sure what the pay scale has been over the years, but I would wager that he has earned multiple millions of aggregate dollars in salary, if you adjust for inflation over the years.

I imagine the proof you want is of "shady" financial disclosures or payoffs.  I have no idea of the real worth of Joe Biden...below is an excerpt from wikipedia on his net worth:

With a net worth between $59,000 and $366,000, and almost no outside income or investment income, he was consistently ranked as one of the least wealthy members of the Senate.[94][95][96] Biden stated that he was listed as the second poorest member in Congress, a distinction that he was not proud of, but attributed to being elected early in his career.[97] Biden realized early in his senatorial career how vulnerable poorer public officials are to offers of financial contributions in exchange for policy support, and he pushed campaign finance reform measures during his first term.[47]

In my humble opinion, he has publicly sought out being the "poorest" Senator as a political ploy in order to maintain superior electability.

The two methods of hiding wealth that I outlined are both well known and untilized by many public people in order to make their financials become more opaque. 

If I knew exact details about what Biden has and does not want anyone to know about, I imagine that my health and freedom would be in danger. 

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Posted: 10/11/2012 11:48:41 PM
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Originally Posted by CMJohnson1:

Already had one CEO say that he will have to lay off 7,000 people if Obama is re-elected. 

It will happen more and more.  The middle class is boosted by the wealthy opening more businesses and investing more of their money.  It creates more jobs.  The problem with the Bush administration was the de-regulations...if the Romney/Ryan campaign follows through on their promise of eliminating tax loopholes then that will essentially eliminate that.

Obama had four years to get us out of the recession, and the cyclical economic factors have done that...but with the bullshit Obamacare program and weak foreign policy, we will end up even more screwed up in the next four years.

If O is re elected what policies will cause him to lay off 7000?

If the middle class is boosted by the wealthy keeping more of their money then why with the extension of the Bush tax cuts didn't the economy grow quicker?

Obama had 2 years to grow the economy not 4. The last 2 have been gridlock. Since the repubs have a deathgrip on the house what job bills have they introduced?

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Posted: 10/11/2012 11:51:13 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by bigvern1013:

FriedShrimp....fair enough, I have a different opinion of Biden, but that is ok.  Agree to disagree, and you are welcome to your opinion.

DSN150:

Biden's senatorial record of employment pretty much sums up how many tax dollars he has earned over the course of his political career.  His first term was in 1972....not sure what the pay scale has been over the years, but I would wager that he has earned multiple millions of aggregate dollars in salary, if you adjust for inflation over the years.

I imagine the proof you want is of "shady" financial disclosures or payoffs.  I have no idea of the real worth of Joe Biden...below is an excerpt from wikipedia on his net worth:

With a net worth between $59,000 and $366,000, and almost no outside income or investment income, he was consistently ranked as one of the least wealthy members of the Senate.[94][95][96] Biden stated that he was listed as the second poorest member in Congress, a distinction that he was not proud of, but attributed to being elected early in his career.[97] Biden realized early in his senatorial career how vulnerable poorer public officials are to offers of financial contributions in exchange for policy support, and he pushed campaign finance reform measures during his first term.[47]

In my humble opinion, he has publicly sought out being the "poorest" Senator as a political ploy in order to maintain superior electability.

The two methods of hiding wealth that I outlined are both well known and untilized by many public people in order to make their financials become more opaque. 

If I knew exact details about what Biden has and does not want anyone to know about, I imagine that my health and freedom would be in danger. 

So....

Speculation....

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Posted: 10/11/2012 11:54:36 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by cd329:

Mojo, because they are always looking to darn the little guy ever chance they get, thats why.  Take your fox news blinders off and you might be able to finally see how horrible most rich people are.

Wow, I've always thought you were one of the more intellectually challenged posters on this site, but it is not even that, you are just spiteful, jealous and hate mongering.

That is a pretty profound statement to make there.  Please define "rich" and what that means to you. Please convey how many "rich people" you know personally, based on your definition of "rich."  And please provide specific examples of why "rich people" you know personally are so "horrible." Not citing what Apple the Company does, but why Joe Public with a net worth of $________.00 (what ever your ever so important determination of "rich" is) is so horrible, which is what you are trying to imply with your post. 

Until you do so, your voice and opinions are nothing more than meaningless drivel.  You spend so much time spouting off complete and under crap on this website.  Why bother, noone takes you seriously.

 

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Posted: 10/11/2012 11:56:46 PM

Another thing that doesn't make sense are the hard core free market capitalists begging for Government to create jobs?  Does that even make sense?

Those are mutually exclusive concepts and the GOP has embraced it as their primary issue.

 

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Posted: 10/11/2012 11:58:12 PM

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Not speculation....a foreign real estate investment trust will successfully hide valuable hard assets, and a corporate interest can allocate assets to you through a writ of permission without the asset being disclosed on any financial audits.

I never claimed I knew how he keeps his assets concealed.......but those two are the tip of the iceberg.

That is a fact. 

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Posted: 10/11/2012 11:59:54 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by bigvern1013:

DSN150

Not speculation....a foreign real estate investment trust will successfully hide valuable hard assets, and a corporate interest can allocate assets to you through a writ of permission without the asset being disclosed on any financial audits.

I never claimed I knew how he keeps his assets concealed.......but those two are the tip of the iceberg.

That is a fact. 

Link to his involvement with said REIT?

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Posted: 10/12/2012 12:02:56 AM
That CEO blurb on yahoo finance the other day was the biggest laugher I've seen in a very long time.

The guy makes politicians look nice, what a heavy handed, bullying piece of garbage email..how he could send that crap to his employees and show his face ever again was laughable.

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Well if we use the same evidence that Biden is hiding offshore assets.  Using your very own evidence, we can also imply that Mitt Romney is also doing the same?

Based on your hard evidence.

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Posted: 10/12/2012 12:08:21 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

That CEO blurb on yahoo finance the other day was the biggest laugher I've seen in a very long time.

The guy makes politicians look nice, what a heavy handed, bullying piece of garbage email..how he could send that crap to his employees and show his face ever again was laughable.

Agree...

 

I may inform my employees how certain policies may ultimately affect them, but that seemed a bit over the top...

 

Not sure what the point was....

Just a rant at the expense of his employees security ...

 

 

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Posted: 10/12/2012 12:11:07 AM

Caveat: 

 I don't know the source, I just searched quickly on Google, maybe someone else can confirm, but judging by Biden's tax returns from 1998-2007 per this site (even before he became VP), I don't think the guy is hurting from an income perspective.  If his net worth is truly as low as has been quoted in this thread, all it tells me is he really isn't great with finances, which makes me question why I should take anything he says about managing the finances of this country seriously.

http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2008/09/biden-releases.html

 

 

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