Romneys debate is over.. numbers already moving towards the Potus..

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Posted: 10/8/2012 9:07:09 PM

Goose, i have been saying that for years. The right wingers idol Ronnie boy started that bullshit called trickle down economics and all that ever happened was the fatcats laughed all the way to the bank

He was the President when all the jobs started moving overseas for bigger profits.  His Presidency could have nipped it in the bud back then, but instead he let it go and now its turned into a monster that will at some point take out whole country down

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Posted: 10/8/2012 10:56:37 PM

Quote Posted by tgg:

Trickle down economics doesn't work.  It never worked. 

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I guess you don't know your history too well...trickle down economics does work...it worked during the Reagan presidency.

But trickle down big government has never worked...look at our economy today under mr obama...anemic to say the least!

This character with his trickle down big government spending is driving us over the financial cliff...he has added $6 trillion more dollars to the deficit...ouch!

He has also added 17 million more Americans on the food stamp program since he began his presidency and now well over 47 million Americans are on the food stamp program...this is not sustainable...we got to get people back to work.

Romney and Ryan in 012!

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Posted: 10/8/2012 11:17:08 PM

keep hitting the crack pipe while hitting your fox news fruit flakes.

TRickle down never worked.

Hey genius of course theres going to be more people needing food stamps and govt help today.

I will try to explain it very simple, so even a flake you might understand.

POPULATION GOES UP WHILE THE NUMBER OF JOBS GOES DOWN IN THE COUNTRY{DUE TO THE CORPORATIONS SENDING THEM ALL OVERSEAS} THAT IS GOING TO = MORE PEOPLE NEEDING HELP.

Now if right wingers like you would stop and think about that for even 1 single minute, you might actually start to grasp who is really destroying our country.

But hey keep believing Obama is going door to door signing people off for food stamps.

Theres no jobs ding dong, wake the hell up

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Posted: 10/8/2012 11:23:55 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by waltertaylor24:

Sorry wallstreet but you don't know what you're talking about.  I am an insurance broker.  In a lot of cases the individual market is cheaper than a group plan is.  Also the coverage is just as good as a group plan.  If you have an individual plan it is spread across a lot more people than a large group. I see with my own eyes as to what is happening with the market and, prices for middle income families is going to sky rocket with this bullshit that you call obamacare

 


You are mistaken in calling that an individual plan..I am quite sure those "individual" plans are not at all, rather a coop or some sort of association, which is a GROUP.


An individual plan is me working on my own needing health insurance, going out and buying it from the lowest cost I can find and hopefully getting a sniff of real coverage in the meantime.

Oh and I had to do that for several years about 5-6 yrs back..I had to go and get individual coverage and I researched all the available products.

How can you imply that hospitals and physicians do not pass on nonpayments and underpayments to the general whole?

For claiming to be an insurance broker you sure are throwing around erroneous information. 

Group plans in any form are not individual plans..and notice what I said regarding employment group plans..that you CAN get better coverage and the odds are someone working for a company will find better coverage then someone not..even if that company coverage is bad..

That aside, Obamacare raises the bar of coverage..that if you are going to offer a plan then it cannot be water..it has to actually cover the individual..not some sh!tty high deductible, low limit, high co-pay and limited benefit garbage.

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Posted: 10/8/2012 11:39:51 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by bowlslit:

 

Many people from all of those countries come to the USA to have treatment done. If government healthcare was soo great that wouldn't be happening.

In your mind, is there any limits on what government should do or not? Or, do you believe that the government should be able to tell me what brand of behind whipe I should be using?

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Posted: 10/8/2012 11:46:49 PM

A tiny minority of patients travel to other countries for healthcare.  The vast majority receives treatment at home.  Americans also go to foreign hospitals too.

Government has a role in providing that which the private sector cannot supply.  Modern society needs both government and private sector.

 

 

 

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Posted: 10/9/2012 6:18:15 AM
I will never understand how health care can be big business.
Ironically I live in a country with the most Atheists in the world but somehow we are doing the Christian thing - taking care of the sick even if they don't have money or were blessed with the right genes.
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Posted: 10/9/2012 9:37:57 AM

Pew has Romney ahead.

Raz has the race tied

Battleground has the race tied

PPP has Romney ahead.

I have no idea what the premise of this thread is.

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Posted: 10/9/2012 9:39:25 AM

The right wingers idol Ronnie boy started that bullshit called trickle down economics and all that ever happened was the fatcats laughed all the way to the bank

Except for the fact that 18+ million jobs were created, inflation went down, the income of the bottom 20% of income earners more than doubled, and median family incomes increased over 8%.

You have a bizarre obsession with bashing Reagan. I'm assuming it is because you lost a job during that time or something.

 

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Posted: 10/9/2012 9:43:48 AM

Note: the Gallup poll does not use likely voters - which of course is why you're referencing it.

Pew Poll:

In turn, Romney has drawn even with Obama in the presidential race among registered voters (46% to 46%) after trailing by nine points (42% to 51%) in September. Among likely voters, Romney holds a slight 49% to 45% edge over Obama. He trailed by eight points among likely voters last month.

The latest national survey by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press, conducted Oct. 4-7 among 1,511 adults, including 1,201 registered voters (1,112 likely voters), finds that 67% of Romney’s backers support him strongly, up from 56% last month.

PublicPolicyPolling @ppppolls

Our weekly national poll for @DKElections finds Mitt Romney leading for the first time all year, 49-47

Note: PPP is a Democratic polling firm.

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Posted: 10/9/2012 9:48:12 AM

TRickle down never worked.

Fact:

The poverty rate was cut by 16 percent in the Reagan years, and the total income of the bottom 20 percent more than doubled, rising from $181 billion to $476 billion.

Fact:

The Reagan recovery, encompassing a period of 72 months, resulted in the creation of 24,833,000 net new jobs, or approximately 344,900 jobs per month. Over that same period the total number of people of working age who were either unemployed or not in the workforce decreased by 5,234,000, or approximately 72,700 per month.

Reagan’s second term saw average GDP growth of 3.6% and the unemployment rate fall to 5.3%

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Posted: 10/9/2012 10:08:59 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:


You are mistaken in calling that an individual plan..I am quite sure those "individual" plans are not at all, rather a coop or some sort of association, which is a GROUP.


An individual plan is me working on my own needing health insurance, going out and buying it from the lowest cost I can find and hopefully getting a sniff of real coverage in the meantime.

Oh and I had to do that for several years about 5-6 yrs back..I had to go and get individual coverage and I researched all the available products.

How can you imply that hospitals and physicians do not pass on nonpayments and underpayments to the general whole?

For claiming to be an insurance broker you sure are throwing around erroneous information. 

Group plans in any form are not individual plans..and notice what I said regarding employment group plans..that you CAN get better coverage and the odds are someone working for a company will find better coverage then someone not..even if that company coverage is bad..

That aside, Obamacare raises the bar of coverage..that if you are going to offer a plan then it cannot be water..it has to actually cover the individual..not some sh!tty high deductible, low limit, high co-pay and limited benefit garbage.

You are wrong.  Yes when you get an individual plan you are part of a large group.  When you say it is just a crap plan you are wrong. All the major medical insurance companies now offer basically the same plan because they are regulated on what they can call major medical insurance. The advantage of getting in a group coverage from work is there is no underwriting so everyone will be approved, but if your on a group plan your rates can go up any time they want.

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Posted: 10/9/2012 10:21:05 AM

This is posted on the Daily Kos today:

So where did Romney gain? Among women, Obama went from a 15-point lead to a slimmer 51-45 edge. Meanwhile, Romney went from winning independents 44-41 to winning them 48-42. And just like the Ipsos poll showed last week, Romney further consolidated his base. They went from supporting him 85-13 last week, to 87-11 this week while Obama lost some Democrats, going from 88-9 last week, to 87-11 this week.

Several other polls, Pew chief among them, saw a big increase in the number of respondents self-identifying as Republicans—a sign of increased intensity on that side of the aisle. Our poll confirms that intensity boost. Last week, 65 percent of conservatives were "very excited" about voting this year. This week, it's 74 percent. That's a significant shift. Liberals also gained, but only marginally so, from 68 to 70 percent.

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Posted: 10/9/2012 12:17:32 PM

Gallup switching to LV model, and OOPS!

Former Gov. Mitt Romney and President Barack Obama are virtually tied among likely voters, a new Gallup daily tracking poll will show, according to USA Today's Washington Bureau Chief Susan Page.

Link: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2012/10/gallup-polls-to-show-romney-obama-tied-among-likely-voters.html

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Posted: 10/9/2012 12:46:16 PM

Here are the latest polls from the battleground states:

Colorado: Romney 50%, Obama 46% (American Research Group)

North Carolina: Romney 50%, Obama 41% (Gravis)

Ohio: Romney 48%, Obama 47% (American Research Group)

Ohio: Obama 45%, Romney 44% (SurveyUSA)

Pennsylvania: Obama 43%, Romney 40% (Siena)

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Posted: 10/9/2012 1:10:15 PM

CORRECTION!

Gallup Likely Voter polling begins, with Romney up by 2, 49-47%

Link: http://www.gallup.com/poll/157817/election-2012-likely-voters-trial-heat-obama-romney.aspx

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Posted: 10/9/2012 1:35:26 PM
odds have been steadily moving in romney's favor since the debate.  obama is nearing -250 when he was moving towards -500 not long ago.  it's crazy, and scary that people are making decisions based on a debate like that, but i guess this is how it works.  this is why i never try to predict these things. 
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Posted: 10/9/2012 2:13:18 PM

CNN finds Romney edging Obama by 1 point among likely voters

Link:

http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/pollingcenter/polls/3249

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Posted: 10/9/2012 2:14:12 PM

clubdirt,

As I've said, these people don't know what the information they are seeing means.

Also, given the volatility in the line, it doesn't seem that it takes much $ to move it. Which says a lot too.

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Posted: 10/9/2012 3:08:07 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by RJSmith:

I will never understand how health care can be big business.
Ironically I live in a country with the most Atheists in the world but somehow we are doing the Christian thing - taking care of the sick even if they don't have money or were blessed with the right genes.


That is what every western country do except those united states.
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Posted: 10/9/2012 3:10:11 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by 14daroad:

TRickle down never worked.

Fact:

The poverty rate was cut by 16 percent in the Reagan years, and the total income of the bottom 20 percent more than doubled, rising from $181 billion to $476 billion.

Fact:

The Reagan recovery, encompassing a period of 72 months, resulted in the creation of 24,833,000 net new jobs, or approximately 344,900 jobs per month. Over that same period the total number of people of working age who were either unemployed or not in the workforce decreased by 5,234,000, or approximately 72,700 per month.

Reagan’s second term saw average GDP growth of 3.6% and the unemployment rate fall to 5.3%



low paying jobs = trickle down economics..  
less wealth in the middleclass = trickle down economics..

You got it all wrong son
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Posted: 10/9/2012 3:12:04 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Mikael99:



That is what every western country do except those united states.

And the rest of the world lives off of the technology/pharmacology  we create.   Market forces.

How are those systems going to be when unfettered immigration of aids patients hits them
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Posted: 10/9/2012 4:08:45 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by ClubDirt:

odds have been steadily moving in romney's favor since the debate.  obama is nearing -250 when he was moving towards -500 not long ago.  it's crazy, and scary that people are making decisions based on a debate like that, but i guess this is how it works.  this is why i never try to predict these things. 


-500 was patently ridiculous, and if people watched the debate and saw the obvious dichotomy juxtaposed against the feckless failure obama has been, the choice is prima facia.
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Posted: 10/9/2012 4:21:10 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by esplanade:



-500 was patently ridiculous, and if people watched the debate and saw the obvious dichotomy juxtaposed against the feckless failure obama has been, the choice is prima facia.

Looks like someone got a thesaurus as an early Hanukkah gift. 
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Posted: 10/9/2012 4:49:55 PM

Imagine some sucker laying down -500 for obama...hahahaha!

You know they say there is a sucker born every minute...hahahaha!

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