The destruction of the middle class

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Posted: 9/24/2012 9:39:07 AM

  This country has the very same problem Germany had following WWI. The top one per cent or so is manipulating and destroying the middle class, and increasing numbers are likely to go hungry. We're not alone, Great Britain is facing the same dilemma. Whether the wealthy like it or not, the middle class holds this country together, so the rift between the rich and the poor doesn't grow too large. If it does, the country faces an explosion, pure and simple.

 The middle class can negotiate a peace between the opposing sides because we're not only talking about economics here, we're talking about cultural cohesiveness. We're talking about whether American society can get the hell off drugs and talk openly to each other. We're also talking about whether or not the American elite can come down off their high horse for the sake of the cohesiveness of the social fabric. Were enough of us born yesterday?

Our high strung universities aren't helping the situation one bit, as they dictate exorbitant costs and dictate what the students can learn. This is the very reason for subjects as liberal arts, to teach people that there are other things to look at than business.

 I can't even finish a degree in geography, the biggest subject on the planet, because colleges won't teach it. Here is something our schools will not teach either: the incentive to learn, for learning's sake, and not making money. I'm not even sure colleges believe in the Spirit of doing community service for free. But lots of people in this country do! God Bless Americans who use their heads!

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Posted: 9/24/2012 9:41:27 AM
The above post was an excerp from Shine at yahoo
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Posted: 9/24/2012 10:30:58 AM
Easy to agree that too many poor people is unhealthy for any society.  Poverty increases the risks of more crime, unrest and social problems.
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Posted: 9/24/2012 11:31:43 AM

The problem Don is in the past the fatcats didnt have a problem spreading some of the wealth around but now the fatcats have become way to greedy and now dont want to spread the wealth around anymore.They are no longer happy with the amounts of money and material things they got, now they want it all and dont care how they get it.

There is never enough for them anymore.  Whats funny is how they cant see that their very greed is not only gonna destroy the country but in the end it will destroy themselves as well, because no amount of money will be able to make them safe from 300 million people who will want to kill them when total chaos comes to this country.  Money wont mean anything at that point.

Greed in the end always destroys everybody

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Posted: 9/24/2012 11:54:19 AM

Don, we need more tradesmen and women in this country.

What does a liberal arts or geography degree prepare people for in the working world?

 So they have a practically useless degree and are 100K in debt...ain't that the American dream

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Posted: 9/24/2012 11:57:58 AM

wealth distribution cd? I dont agree.

What has Bill Gates done with ALOT of his money? As well as Warren Buffet (through the Gates foundation)

You cant categorize everyone who is rich into this convenient box of greed cd.

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Posted: 9/24/2012 1:14:45 PM
lords,

I dont hold Gates and Warren in high regard because of how they accumulated their wealth.

So its nice and fuzzy that Gates is sprinkling his free money around through his foundation and Warren is buying people ice cream sandwiches in his old age..but how they accumulated their wealth and those they destroyed in the process makes these late in life charities seem hollow and fake.

Gates cheated his way to a fortune, smashed competitors, bullied computer manufacturers and monopolized his business..he was a tech thug and I do not give him a pass for the decades of theft and underhanded crap he pulled.

Warren accumulated much of his wealth from back door deals, very very few of his trophies were made through the markets or purchasing in the open..he built his wealth through taking advantage of others and during their times of weakness.

Both of those two are on my list of businessmen I do not admire and who harmed society more then they helped.


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Posted: 9/24/2012 1:28:04 PM

You have point but who is at fault,do we treach are kids to be rich or to we keep them dumed down like they are.The voters are to blame first and foemost they do not give a garbage.They cares are a good time, american idol and dancing with the stars.America gives everyone a shot but most only care about there notebook and ipad.Like these morons need to be in contact 24/7 like they are that important.Get real the rich are always easy to blame for peoples failures.

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Posted: 9/24/2012 2:16:05 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by cts99:

You have point but who is at fault,do we treach are kids to be rich or to we keep them dumed down like they are.The voters are to blame first and foemost they do not give a garbage.They cares are a good time, american idol and dancing with the stars.America gives everyone a shot but most only care about there notebook and ipad.Like these morons need to be in contact 24/7 like they are that important.Get real the rich are always easy to blame for peoples failures.


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Posted: 9/24/2012 3:16:48 PM
thank you train, I may forgive you and take you under my wing
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Posted: 9/24/2012 3:58:00 PM
QUOTE

Originally Posted by cts99:

thank you train, I may forgive you and take you under my wing

 

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Posted: 9/24/2012 4:30:45 PM

Lords, you are by far one of the top posters of constantly  the fatcats and corporations.  My God go get a room wit them.

Nobody said wealth distribution?

Obviously you have no understanding of what i meant.

In the past the fatcats were happy employing people and letting them share in the companies success. Todays fatcats discovered overseas labor and now dont give a garbage about employing people in this country and instead only care about themselves making bigger profits.

Its funny thou, their own greed is going to be their own downfall, when nobody has money to buy their products anymore.

At least when they employed people here, they would have those people buying their products.

I just hope am still alive when it all comes crashing down for the greedy person and get to see them get a taste of what life is like for the other 99 percent

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Posted: 9/24/2012 4:34:15 PM

100 percent true Wall

I have zero respect for fatcats who create their wealth cheating and hurting others in the process

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Posted: 9/24/2012 4:37:45 PM

cd

you want to take a mans wealth for your own is that true?

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Posted: 9/24/2012 5:04:01 PM

also, read my views in various threads about tax loop holes, off shoring etc. I think you tend to forget/ignore those posts and focus on tidbits that suit your desire to hate anyone or everyone who may differ with you in regards to rich people.

Tell me something, do you know any rich people that you respect or admire?

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Posted: 9/24/2012 9:05:58 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by cts99:

thank you train, I may forgive you and take you under my wing

I'm so glad you didn't keep your promise of not posting til after the election. I think you should post daily, create as many threads as possible. I don't think you will ever know how much entertainment you provide. 

I would honestly vote for you for President, it would be four years of guaranteed entertainment. 

     
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Posted: 9/24/2012 9:16:16 PM
doom and gloom

blame and shame

if we cant get them left vs. right, well get them have vs. have nots

until we the people hold those elected accountable, you can keep your white noise
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Posted: 9/24/2012 10:09:33 PM
White noise????

Sounds racist......
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QUOTE Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

lords,

I dont hold Gates and Warren in high regard because of how they accumulated their wealth.

So its nice and fuzzy that Gates is sprinkling his free money around through his foundation and Warren is buying people ice cream sandwiches in his old age..but how they accumulated their wealth and those they destroyed in the process makes these late in life charities seem hollow and fake.

Gates cheated his way to a fortune, smashed competitors, bullied computer manufacturers and monopolized his business..he was a tech thug and I do not give him a pass for the decades of theft and underhanded crap he pulled.

Warren accumulated much of his wealth from back door deals, very very few of his trophies were made through the markets or purchasing in the open..he built his wealth through taking advantage of others and during their times of weakness.

Both of those two are on my list of businessmen I do not admire and who harmed society more then they helped.




why doesn't anyone else seem to understand this? most people seem to worship the rich, because they are rich, without ever asking how they became rich in the first place. Wealthy capitalists that produce something of value hence they reap the rewards in trade with people that benefit from what it is they produced, ought be separated from wealthy parasites that have leeched their money via monopolistic, rent-seeking, anti-capitalistic means ie. the two mentioned above
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Posted: 9/26/2012 6:18:15 PM
reminds me of that shitstain rockefeller that used to hand out dimes

crooked and corrupt
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Posted: 9/26/2012 6:39:00 PM

Originally posted by wallstreetcappers:

lords,


I dont hold Gates and Warren in high regard because of how they accumulated their wealth.

So its nice and fuzzy that Gates is sprinkling his free money around through his foundation and Warren is buying people ice cream sandwiches in his old age..but how they accumulated their wealth and those they destroyed in the process makes these late in life charities seem hollow and fake.

Gates cheated his way to a fortune, smashed competitors, bullied computer manufacturers and monopolized his business..he was a tech thug and I do not give him a pass for the decades of theft and underhanded crap he pulled.

Warren accumulated much of his wealth from back door deals, very very few of his trophies were made through the markets or purchasing in the open..he built his wealth through taking advantage of others and during their times of weakness.

Both of those two are on my list of businessmen I do not admire and who harmed society more then they helped.
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When you win a bet aren't you doing so on the backs of those that lost the bet?
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Posted: 9/26/2012 7:01:59 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by bowlslit:

Originally posted by wallstreetcappers:

lords,


I dont hold Gates and Warren in high regard because of how they accumulated their wealth.

So its nice and fuzzy that Gates is sprinkling his free money around through his foundation and Warren is buying people ice cream sandwiches in his old age..but how they accumulated their wealth and those they destroyed in the process makes these late in life charities seem hollow and fake.

Gates cheated his way to a fortune, smashed competitors, bullied computer manufacturers and monopolized his business..he was a tech thug and I do not give him a pass for the decades of theft and underhanded crap he pulled.

Warren accumulated much of his wealth from back door deals, very very few of his trophies were made through the markets or purchasing in the open..he built his wealth through taking advantage of others and during their times of weakness.

Both of those two are on my list of businessmen I do not admire and who harmed society more then they helped.
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When you win a bet aren't you doing so on the backs of those that lost the bet?

Horrible example..

Bettors are taking a calculated, knowing chance and at least the playing field for both sides is equal (unless you believe in that horse sh!t about fixxxxxxed games).

Corporations who use immoral and abusive practices are not akin to people betting on sports.

But..a better example would be Warren receiving one of those sports almanacs like in Back to the Future and cheating with it.

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Posted: 9/27/2012 6:04:02 PM
good thread
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Posted: 9/28/2012 12:20:49 PM
Many say the brunt of the astronomical cost of Obama Care will be bourne by, and will precipitate the demise of, the middle class.
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Posted: 9/28/2012 1:13:41 PM

The middle class is just about demised already. 

Obamacare should be bourne by the wealthy. Heck, they have aready taken half the money of the middle class. It trickled up, not down.

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