Romney on dependence in government

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Posted: 9/18/2012 7:17:09 PM

cd: bowlslit is an insurance agent and he too will soon be without a job.   Insurance companies don't need middle men like bowlslit when they can convince policy-owners to go on-line and service their own insurance policies.  Just a matter of time bowlslit.  Then you won't seem so proud.  Then you won't talk so loud.
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Posted: 9/18/2012 7:33:31 PM
About having to be scrounging for your next meeeeeeal......
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Posted: 9/18/2012 7:38:10 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by djbrow:

About having to be scrounging for your next meeeeeeal......




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Posted: 9/18/2012 7:45:54 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by cd329:

It really is amazing how some of you sit on your perches and think your Gods gift to the work force and that you are not overpaid and deserving of every penny you make at your jobs, while everybody else in the work force are overpaid bums.

Really how do some of you look at yourselves in the mirror with bullshit beliefs like that?  My guess is you have no mirrors


Little less of an edge, you are exaggerating and misguided with those conclusions yourself.
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Posted: 9/18/2012 8:24:50 PM

Wall, some of these guys on here do nothing but bash other peoples wages non stop on , while they believe they are not over paid for the jobs they perform.

Look at the bashing of the chicago teachers thread as an example.  Some in the that thread are saying they are all over paid wastes, they get to many days off, anybody can do their jobs etc etc etc.

I would have more respect, if one of them like bowlslit came out and said he is overpaid and doesnt deserve to be paid 75k plus a year with benefits, phony paid company vacations etc etc to sell damn insurance.

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Posted: 9/18/2012 8:27:17 PM

Goose, you are so right   maybe he will have a differnt tone and respect for people who have lost jobs because of the dirtbag greedy corporations.

Also those greedy corporations are one day going to get a rude awakening, when they dont have anybody to sell to in our country, due to nobody having jobs.  The dumbasses dont realize that if they employed more people, more people could buy their products.  They will learn thou

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Posted: 9/18/2012 8:36:31 PM
Who sits on Obamas job panel?
Who benefits most from the feds push to the new style light bulbs?

Hmmm, R's and D's are the same
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Posted: 9/18/2012 8:42:13 PM
Cd
I am opposed to outsourcing for the benefit of mere reimportation (is that even a word) back to the USA.
I will give a corp the benefit of setting up shop to expand into new markets or sell more product in a particular country or region
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Posted: 9/18/2012 8:44:20 PM
But CD the greedy corps will always have the Feds to buy their products....oh wait we r broke.
Doesn't matter let's by a shitload of Chevy Volts!!
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Posted: 9/18/2012 8:50:59 PM

14,

Semantics. Though not directly stated, it's obviously inherently implied from Romney to pander to his base:





Actually, it isn't "implied" at all.

You are simply assigning motives to people with whom you disagree with politically.
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Posted: 9/18/2012 8:53:21 PM
Disproportionate representation from Republican heavy states. 9 out of the top 10? Gee, who would have thought that?



1. There are more "Republican states" than there are Democratic states.

2. The people not paying income taxes are Democratic voters.

In other words, "semantics"

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Posted: 9/18/2012 9:00:48 PM

Jobs will only come back here 2 ways

1. our people lower their standard of living down to the standard of living in other countries and be willing to work for very very very low wages with no benefits and health insurance at all.

2.our govt steps in and does something to stop these corporations from sending jobs overseas and exploiting people with slave wages



That would be false.

The jobs you're referring to are never coming back. Ever.
The government can't "step in" unless you mean by that nationalize a company and try and stop them.

You also don't seem to understand why a company would move jobs overseas, despite CEO's stating this publicly over & over.

You comparing wages isn't the answer.

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Posted: 9/18/2012 9:08:18 PM
Oh and while someone is talking "semantics" I must point out:

For 2009, the most recent year available, here are taxes less transfers as a percentage of market income (income that households earned from their work and savings):

Bottom quintile: -301 percent
Second quintile: -42 percent
Middle quintile: -5 percen
t
Fourth quintile: 10 percent
Highest quintile: 22 percent

Top one percent: 28 percent


The negative 301 percent means that a typical family in the bottom quintile receives about $3 in transfer payments for every dollar earned.

I rather enjoy watching the Democrats fall into traps on issue which win elections for Republicans.
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Posted: 9/18/2012 9:10:06 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by 14daroad:

Jobs will only come back here 2 ways

1. our people lower their standard of living down to the standard of living in other countries and be willing to work for very very very low wages with no benefits and health insurance at all.

2.our govt steps in and does something to stop these corporations from sending jobs overseas and exploiting people with slave wages



That would be false.

The jobs you're referring to are never coming back. Ever.
The government can't "step in" unless you mean by that nationalize a company and try and stop them.

You also don't seem to understand why a company would move jobs overseas, despite CEO's stating this publicly over & over.

You comparing wages isn't the answer.



Da road, wrong like you always are. Govt doesnt have to nationalize a corporation in order to stop them from going overseas to have their products made.
all they got to do is slap them with huge import taxes, that make their profits not worth the trouble of going overseas.

why are fools like you so against ways of stopping corporations from moving the jobs overseas?  Do you hate your country that much and want to see it become a third world nation, where every person is battling with each other on the streets for a scrap of food.
Seriously what the hell is wrong with you?

Your a bigger fool to ever believe one word of ceos telling you why they move jobs overseas
Heres a newsflash macfly, you keep waiting for those ceo's to come out and tell the country they move jobs overseas because they want to use slave labor that only costs them a few bucks a day.
You keep waiting for that speech fool

You keep believing their line of total bullshit about union workers and being over taxed, yet most pay zero taxes. 
You dont even have a clue
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Posted: 9/18/2012 9:14:16 PM
Govt doesnt have to nationalize a corporation in order to stop them from going overseas to have their products made.
all they got to do is slap them with huge import taxes



Riiiiiggggghhhhhhttttt!

Keep on believing that one.

Your a bigger fool to ever believe one word of ceos telling you why they move jobs overseas




But we should instead believe a retired public sector worker on the Internet.

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Posted: 9/18/2012 9:15:17 PM
Da road gotta love your bullshit statement about how only republicans pay taxes and not democrats.  Yeah i know theres no republicans out of work, collecting unemployment, welfare, food stamps or any other govt programs.  Nope just democrats.

Yup when income tax time comes around, republican families are the only ones paying taxes.

You are so full of pompous bs its down right comical
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Posted: 9/18/2012 9:25:25 PM
Da road gotta love your bullshit statement about how only republicans pay taxes and not democrats



Sorry, I meant to say lower income voters, who don't pay taxes, disproportionately vote Democrat.

Not all. But most.
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Posted: 9/18/2012 10:09:40 PM

Wrong.  Red States are really parasites and gold-diggers when it comes to collecting Federal dollars even though they are the most vociferous about government spending.
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Posted: 9/18/2012 11:50:40 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by 14daroad:




Actually, it isn't "implied" at all.

You are simply assigning motives to people with whom you disagree with politically.

Do you look in the mirror when making such oblivious commentary?
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Posted: 9/19/2012 10:34:49 AM

"Oh and while someone is talking "semantics" I must point out:

For 2009, the most recent year available, here are taxes less transfers as a percentage of market income (income that households earned from their work and savings):

Bottom quintile: -301 percent
Second quintile: -42 percent
Middle quintile: -5 percen
t
Fourth quintile: 10 percent
Highest quintile: 22 percent

Top one percent: 28 percent


The negative 301 percent means that a typical family in the bottom quintile receives about $3 in transfer payments for every dollar earned.

I rather enjoy watching the Democrats fall into traps on issue which win elections for Republicans"

 

 

14,

You cited a blog post by a Harvard economist, Dr. Mankiw, who is also a current economic adviser to Romney. Also, he is former Chairman of the Council of Economic Advisers under G.W. Bush. Conveniently, you left this pertinent fact out. Not a hint of bias here. No way, right?

Sorry, a blog post based on CBO data is not an academic paper. It's simply his written blog, yet you present its conclusions as infallible. A peer reviewed study which has been scrutinized and accepted for publication, it is certainly not. I assume you have likely never published anything to understand this concept.

The CBO data is open to other interpretations.Dr. Mankiw's blog, was respectfully and artfully challenged by Dr. Folbre on several valid fronts.

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/06/measuring-mooching/

First, she mentions the skewing of data in the bottom quintile due to the presence of retirees, the disabled or children. These groups, unsurprisingly, will usually have strong net negative transfers. Receiving Medicare and Medicaid will do that. What a revelation!

Second, joblessness is 35% in bottom quintile as opposed to 9% in the middle qunitile and 4% in the top one. Again, not really surprising that folks without jobs would have a net negative impact.

Third, the CBO estimates don't take into consideration state and local taxes paid, which even Dr. Mankiw corrected and addended to his original post. This would change the equation, especially for the middle quintile, from negative to positive.

 

But I wouldn't expect you to mention Mankiw's political allegiances or her eloquent and respectfully academic retort at all. After all, who cares about the 47%? They are riff-raff moochers to you and Mitt, right? Begone peasantry!

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Posted: 9/19/2012 11:08:01 AM
I would like a solid number on Romney vs. the Obama administration. Romney vs the bush admin and Romney vs the Clinton administration before I would feel comfortable saying these things about Romney.

I do not have time to look it up (trying to support the 47%).
Maybe you could answer that for me.
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Posted: 9/19/2012 12:48:02 PM

Mellow Wolf, thats all da road ever does is post right winger trash, written by right winger nutjobs, that he states as facts.

Not one post he ever writes, comes from his own mind.

A total walking right winger zombie

 

p.s. nice bust.  am sure he thought he nobody would bother looking for where he got that trash.  He should vanish for a few days now, to let the laughter die down

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Posted: 9/19/2012 12:59:26 PM
Oopsie looks like 14 has some back peddling to do.

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Posted: 9/19/2012 1:02:05 PM
Do you look in the mirror when making such oblivious commentary? 


I'm not the one saying "it's implied" in a weak attempt to re-frame an argument I can't respond to.


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Posted: 9/19/2012 1:04:10 PM
Third, the CBO estimates don't take into consideration state and local taxes paid, which even Dr. Mankiw corrected and addended to his original post.


Um, he didn't "correct" anything. 
Note: " the CBO does not provide the data to establish that conclusion definitively"

No numbers changed.
The premise did not change.
Nothing was "corrected"

Nice try though.
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