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Posted: 9/17/2012 8:21:34 PM
The Video, courtesy of Mother Jones.

Thoughts? He is right that a message of low taxes for all will be completely fall on deaf ears when those people pay no taxes.
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Posted: 9/17/2012 8:30:33 PM

Plenty of higher income people pay no income tax.

Its funny that many on the right wing accuse Obama of division when his statements like the below simply border on class warfare.

Mr. Romney said that “my job is not to worry about those people. I’ll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.”

 

 

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Posted: 9/17/2012 8:33:38 PM
I love his approach..

Pummel the lower class into submission and then make a statement about accountability and responsibility.

Romney is such a tool..
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Posted: 9/17/2012 9:08:37 PM
From the non-partisan CBPP:

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3505


There is misunderstanding and fallacy in stating that 47% of people pay no taxes at all, as implied by those who use this number. This is federal income taxes only. (The normal percentage, during standard economic years, has always been around 40%). 

In fact, payroll, excise and state/local taxes are paid by everybody: "Considering all taxes — federal, state, and local — the bottom 20 percent of households pays an average of 16 to 17 percent of their incomes in taxes.  The next 20 percent of households pays about 21 percent of income in taxes, on average."

Very interesting stats that certainly paint a fairer and accurate picture.



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Posted: 9/17/2012 9:44:16 PM
My thought is you can't blame a person for using the tax code to their benefit.
How about we reform the tax code?

The debate forks depending on what taxes we are discussing as mellow eloquently pointed out above
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Posted: 9/17/2012 9:47:58 PM
I wonder what higher income earners pay in taxes when veiwed with the same criteria that mellow pointed out.
Not taking sides of rich vs poor -fair vs not fair- I am honestly curious
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Posted: 9/17/2012 9:52:12 PM
Shocking to say the least....
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Posted: 9/17/2012 10:55:35 PM
How sad.  He kind of turning into an embarrassment.  I've embarrassed myself before.  It's not fun.  Just stop Mitt, please.  Just stop.  Terminate the campaign, go home, and cook some comfort food with your family.  Go hunt some wolves with Sarah Palin or something.  Poor guy.  He's as done as Greg Stinson was after he holds up the baby to shield himself from Johnny Smith's assassination attempt. in The Dead Zone.  He's that done.
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Posted: 9/18/2012 3:58:11 AM
So he is writing off 47% of the voters?
That's pretty bold....guess a lot of the lower class Tea Partiers feel a bit alienated now.

Why the hell run for any office if you do not care about half the people?
Maybe Romney doesn't care at all except for the 1% rich he's part of?
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Posted: 9/18/2012 4:11:20 AM
I wonder how Fox News will spin this story....
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Posted: 9/18/2012 10:04:21 AM

There is misunderstanding and fallacy in stating that 47% of people pay no taxes at

I wasn't aware anyone was stating this.

 

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Posted: 9/18/2012 10:08:59 AM

Pummel the lower class into submission and then make a statement about accountability and responsibility

How, exactly, does Romney do this again?

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Posted: 9/18/2012 12:24:53 PM

"I wasn't aware anyone was stating this."

 

 

14,

Semantics. Though not directly stated, it's obviously inherently implied from Romney to pander to his base:

"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what…These are people who pay no income tax…[M]y job is is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

 

And other conservatives adopt this mantra as well. But aren't Republican(Reagan and Bush) endorsed tax cuts somewhat(perhaps largely) responsible for creating this situation? Hmmmm.  These 47% are the "takers", in their view. Basically low income elderly/seniors, the poor working families(<$30,000 a year) and teens/students.

It's a simple and effective appeal for the non-discerning, soundbite fed element of his voter base, who, apparently unbeknownst to them, also happen to occupy a significant portion of the 47% he vilifies. Though they seem not to understand his direct insult of them and continue to offer their staunch support. Hilarious contradictions at play.

Take a look at this fascinating map of states with the highest percentage of no federal income tax payers. Seems like the "red" Romney supporting states are in the lead:

http://taxfoundation.org/sites/taxfoundation.org/files/UserFiles/Image/Fiscal%20Facts/20100524-229-nonpayers-map-.jpg

Disproportionate representation from Republican heavy states. 9 out of the top 10? Gee, who would have thought that? 

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Posted: 9/18/2012 12:30:32 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by RJSmith:


Why the hell run for any office if you do not care about half the people?



you know the answer to this.  look at the money involved in politics from the president to the local elections.  it's obscene.  these are the only people running for office these days.
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Posted: 9/18/2012 12:36:05 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by mellow_wolf:

"I wasn't aware anyone was stating this."

 

 

14,

Semantics. Though not directly stated, it's obviously inherently implied from Romney to pander to his base:

"There are 47 percent of the people who will vote for the president no matter what. All right, there are 47 percent who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it. That that's an entitlement. And the government should give it to them. And they will vote for this president no matter what…These are people who pay no income tax…[M]y job is is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives."

 

And other conservatives adopt this mantra as well. But aren't Republican(Reagan and Bush) endorsed tax cuts somewhat(perhaps largely) responsible for creating this situation? Hmmmm.  These 47% are the "takers", in their view. Basically low income elderly/seniors, the poor working families(<$30,000 a year) and teens/students.

It's a simple and effective appeal for the non-discerning, soundbite fed element of his voter base, who, apparently unbeknownst to them, also happen to occupy a significant portion of the 47% he vilifies. Though they seem not to understand his direct insult of them and continue to offer their staunch support. Hilarious contradictions at play.

Take a look at this fascinating map of states with the highest percentage of no federal income tax payers. Seems like the "red" Romney supporting states are in the lead:

http://taxfoundation.org/sites/taxfoundation.org/files/UserFiles/Image/Fiscal%20Facts/20100524-229-nonpayers-map-.jpg

Disproportionate representation from Republican heavy states. 9 out of the top 10? Gee, who would have thought that? 



Good post

I have also always found this to be very ironic.
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Posted: 9/18/2012 1:47:00 PM

I'm reminded of the late, great Ann Richards....

"He Was Born With a Silver FOOT In His Mouth"

when the likes of right-wingers like Bill Kristol calls you a FOOL, you got a problem

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Posted: 9/18/2012 2:03:17 PM

Yes of course more people are in need of govt help, but its amazing how people like romney dont tell the whole story.

The truth is more people need help from the govt, because there are no jobs in the country to support families. Why isnt there any jobs in the country mr.romney?  Because all your fatcat buddies have moved them overseas to use and exploit people for slave labor wages.  So really mitt, if your gonna run your mouth off about people needing govt, at least tell the whole fuckin truth.

I dont care if your republican or democrat, if you cant see and understand the bigger picture as to why more people need govt help, then am sorry but you must not be to bright and only believe what the talking heads tell you to believe.

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Posted: 9/18/2012 5:16:10 PM

Your union boys persuaded those jobs to go overseas because they kept asking for more, more, more. Even though Japan and China (Competitors) could produce the same goods for alot less....you guys kept demanding more, more, more.

When the Detroit auto industry fully recovers it will not maintain itself based on the old Union model.

The steel industry will never be able to recover in the US even though there will always be a healthy demand for steel and iron ore products.

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Posted: 9/18/2012 5:24:32 PM
CD,

Are you really suggesting that Romney is directly responsible for a significant amount of outsourcing?  


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Posted: 9/18/2012 5:30:35 PM
Corporations exploited the lower and working class for a very long time until the workers began forming unions. Then over time corporations needed to find new labor groups to exploit, China and the Pacific Rim are current exploitation groups.

Always remember that the excess gains outside reasonable and modest profits (free market model) come from TAKING via another group or party.

Why we reward exploitation makes no sense to me. Some here actually applaud it???
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Corporations exploited the lower and working class for a very long time until the workers began forming unions. Then over time corporations needed to find new labor groups to exploit, China and the Pacific Rim are current exploitation groups.

Always remember that the excess gains outside reasonable and modest profits (free market model) come from TAKING via another group or party.

Why we reward exploitation makes no sense to me. Some here actually applaud it???
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Surely there is current exploitation as you've mentioned. Especially regarding working conditions and safety issues.
 
If there were no corporations to bring jobs to them then how much would they be able to make per hour?
 
The real only difference is that now they purchase the food clothing etc. as before they were growing/making the same before they had opportunity to barter goods or services for goods or services.
 
Is anyone forcing them to work for the evil corporations?
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Posted: 9/18/2012 6:10:21 PM
Good logic..

So if someone is not forced (which we cannot determine anyway) then it is not exploitation.

I guess we have a different definition of the word..
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Posted: 9/18/2012 6:52:07 PM

Bowlslit, you can beat that union grudge you have to death, but corporations didnt go overseas because of unions. They went overseas to be able to pay worker a couple of bucks a day, with no benefits or health insurance, thats why.

Am sorry people in our country wont agree to work for those type of wages here. Why dont you work your job for a few bucks a day with no benefits or health insurance?  Guys like you who sit on their mighty perch always love to bash the other guy. Quite honestly, you are not a good human being and i hope your insurance company finds a way to ship your useless job overseas, then come back here and defend your love of the corporations.

Also if you dont think non union jobs have been sent overseas, your a bigger fool then i already knew you to be.

 

all of the countries problems is unions unions unions

you keep believing that in your mindless troll world

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Posted: 9/18/2012 7:09:35 PM

Rick, come on you cant be serious with this question?

You dont think the circles romney travels in, arent the ones for all the out sourcing?

Guys like you and bowlslit dont care about all the jobs being lost to slave labor overseas, because both of you are sitting with jobs that cant be outsourced.  Come back and talk when you have a job that gets sent overseas, for a couple of bucks a day.

Until then please continue working around with your blinders on, unable to actually see the forest thru the trees.

Jobs will only come back here 2 ways

1. our people lower their standard of living down to the standard of living in other countries and be willing to work for very very very low wages with no benefits and health insurance at all.

2.our govt steps in and does something to stop these corporations from sending jobs overseas and exploiting people with slave wages

Your choice ricky boy, which do you want for your country

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Posted: 9/18/2012 7:13:22 PM

It really is amazing how some of you sit on your perches and think your Gods gift to the work force and that you are not overpaid and deserving of every penny you make at your jobs, while everybody else in the work force are overpaid bums.

Really how do some of you look at yourselves in the mirror with bullshit beliefs like that?  My guess is you have no mirrors

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