CHICAGO TEACHERS STRIKE

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Posted: 9/11/2012 6:02:30 PM

don juan

You're the one with your head in the sand.

Why would anyone make up a story like that?

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Posted: 9/11/2012 6:37:11 PM

Bowlslit, what a shameful excuse for anecdotal evidence.

You deserve one of these.

Whatever it takes to keep your little personal anti-union fantasy land going........

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Posted: 9/11/2012 6:41:06 PM

Buy it or don't buy it.

Don't hate the messenger because you can't fathom a government worker wasting our precious tax moneys.

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Posted: 9/11/2012 6:45:29 PM
Bowl:

I'm waiting for someone to ask you to provide the link for your story.
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Posted: 9/11/2012 6:52:59 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:

kapono,


How much is 9 months of daycare in the private sector?

The hand that feeds is cheaper than Kindercare garbage.

Even if you paid 7k a year towards school (doesnt happen) its a BARGAIN vs private care or schooling.


Glad to see that we are coming to the realization that our current education system is akin to subsidized daycare.  

I have been saying this for years.  

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Posted: 9/11/2012 7:16:50 PM
Bowl, a friend of mine told me that he saw Bush walking his dog carrying a gun and a pooper scooper. Do you believe that ? He is from Texas also.
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Posted: 9/11/2012 8:19:36 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by rick3117:


Glad to see that we are coming to the realization that our current education system is akin to subsidized daycare.  

I have been saying this for years.  


We are speaking relative price..keep your mind on topic.

The cost of education is not out of control relative to an inferior comparison..if you factor in the learning aspect the value proposition is even greater.

Even at property taxes of 10k a year, what part goes to education? Then compare to what a working family would be required to pay for competent, private sector care...
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Posted: 9/11/2012 10:36:54 PM

Money will attract the best teachers.

But when speaking of the profession you always hear, "you don't get into teaching for the money." All of sudden capitalism somehow no longer applies. And we wonder why education is terrible.

This is what teacher must do to get a fair shake. I admit that pension programs have gotten out of control in certain instances, but that is not the fault of current and prospective teachers.

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Posted: 9/11/2012 10:43:05 PM

BTW, these teacher ARE ABSOLUTELY JUSTIFIED in their efforts to fight this form of evaluation.

Chicago is an epicenter of inequity with respect to education. The culture and respect towards education is laughable in some of these areas. Culture and poverty are two of the hardest things to change and it takes a decades to do so.

It is unjust and unreasonable to hold teachers accountable to such evaluations. Sure, it would work in the best districts, but what about the bad ones?

It is difficult enough to get good teachers into bad districts, but measures like these will make it all but impossible to do so.

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Posted: 9/12/2012 12:14:11 AM
Personally I could care less what happens to your school system in Chicago, but look at the Atlanta school system. They had to close 6/7 schools due to low enrollment, layed off teachers, (even fired about 160 of them for cheating on tests so as the district could get more goverment $$$!!

I sincerely hope the children get their education this year.


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Posted: 9/12/2012 6:52:03 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

I love how the teachers get all mad that there is not enough money for the increased benefits and raises that they want.... while a large reason that there is not enough money has to deal with the drain that public sector units put on a city/county/state's budget. (Obviously falling revenues through property taxes doesn't help either, but you can't ignore the expenditure side of the equation that has shot through the roof due to the public sector unions.)

Biting the hand that feeds
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Posted: 9/12/2012 3:54:11 PM

Originally posted by don juan:

Bowl, a friend of mine told me that he saw Bush walking his dog carrying a gun and a pooper scooper. Do you believe that ? He is from Texas also.

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Don, only republicans can waste money right?

Im quite sure if I put in my post that it was republican senators you would have never questioned the validity of the story at all.

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Posted: 9/12/2012 6:44:47 PM
40% of the high school students in CPS do not graduate.

These teachers, who are the highest paid in the country, do not deserve any raises what so ever.

Note: the total compensation of 1st year CPS teachers is $52,600.

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Posted: 9/12/2012 7:09:45 PM
Wow..

Those teachers are on par with high rollers on Wall Street.

Total compensation is also a scam..it includes future assumptions with pensions

First year teachers earn just under 50k base salary and can earn a whopping 52k with a Masters degree.

So is a starting salary with a college degree and teaching cert of 49k so outrageous?


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Posted: 9/12/2012 7:22:34 PM
52K first year with summers off?  Sounds nice. 

Not on par with Wallstreet fatcats, but definitely better than 70% of the workforce.  


By the way,  have you ever seen the curriculum for a master's in education?  

It is a joke. 


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Posted: 9/12/2012 7:23:24 PM
52K is better than a first years soldier in Afghanistan. 
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Posted: 9/12/2012 7:30:06 PM
Those teachers are on par with high rollers on Wall Street.


That makes no sense as the public sector is not "Wall Street"

Total compensation is also a scam..it includes future assumptions with pensions

No it doesn't.

So is a starting salary with a college degree and teaching cert of 49k so outrageous?

Yes.

Since the average income for the people paying their salary is $27,000 and by every measure they are failing the students they are teaching.

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Posted: 9/12/2012 7:30:38 PM
Oh, and most, the majority, of these teachers make $100,000+ in salary.


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Posted: 9/12/2012 7:50:49 PM
Chicago's unemployment rate is just under 11% and that the average Chicagoan makes just $30,203 compared with the average teacher's salary of $71,000, even before benefits are included.

Teachers pay only 3 percent of their health-care costs and out of every new dollar set aside for public education in Illinois in the last five years, a full 71 cents has gone to teacher retirement costs.

Teacher retirement costs will consume ˜ 50% of education funding Chicago receives from state by FY2014

Median earnings for Chicagoan w/ college degree: $49K; median for Chicagoan w/ graduate or professional degree: $62K

16% raise?

Please.
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Posted: 9/12/2012 7:57:23 PM
Note the CPS has a $700 million shortfall.

Chicago receives ˜ $2B in education funding from Illinois state taxpayer funds. The state is almost insolvent.

CPS has shortest school days and year in the nation when compared to the 10 largest cities.

These teachers should all be fired.
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Posted: 9/12/2012 8:13:50 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by slikstiks99:

Bowlslit, what a shameful excuse for anecdotal evidence.

You deserve one of these.

Whatever it takes to keep your little personal anti-union fantasy land going........


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Posted: 9/12/2012 8:23:36 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by 14daroad:

Those teachers are on par with high rollers on Wall Street.


That makes no sense as the public sector is not "Wall Street"

Total compensation is also a scam..it includes future assumptions with pensions

No it doesn't.

So is a starting salary with a college degree and teaching cert of 49k so outrageous?

Yes.

Since the average income for the people paying their salary is $27,000 and by every measure they are failing the students they are teaching.


To me the results of the students are not just a function of the teachers..

It might be that the family unit could be failing. A great family can raise great kids irregardless of how much teachers make.

Nah its easier blaming teachers for the ills of society and not the family.

I do not consider 49k to be a high earning income with a college degree..if you want to compare median incomes then you need to make sure it includes people with college degrees.


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Posted: 9/13/2012 8:31:34 AM

To me the results of the students are not just a function of the teachers..

Certainly true. And I would add to that the unions and school administrators can be a hinderance to good teachers with layers of bureaucracy.

The system as currently setup is corrupt and ineffective.

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Posted: 9/13/2012 10:44:06 AM

The unions attack Mayor Rahm!!

Hey hey. Ho ho. Rahm Emanuel has got to go"

"Hey Rahmald Reagan, don't privatize public ed"

"Rahm Walker, go back to Wisconsin"

"Fighting to make CPS a district where Rahm would send his kids"

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Posted: 9/13/2012 11:11:40 AM
Privatizing public education is a bad idea all around..we have many charter schools here and I have to agree with this conclusion.

Primary education cannot be for profit and run in a way that kids do not lose programs and benefits.

Sure you could go the Koaj route which is what they do here with charter schools..put them in strip malls with 1099 workers. I choose to have my kiddo taught at a cruddy full size elementary school with all the facilities and programs..and take responsibility for what they learn and supplement at home.
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