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Author: [Politics] Topic: CHICAGO TEACHERS STRIKE
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Posted: 9/11/2012 9:22:14 AM

Shame the kids are getting screwed. And Rahm isnt backing the teachers union.

As Chicago teachers walk the picket lines, their union and the city’s school district resumed negotiating a new contract that includes bigger salaries, more benefits, revised job security measures and revamped teacher evaluations. Tuesday is the second day of the strike. Here is a breakdown of the issues on the table:

TEACHER EVALUATIONS: The union is particularly concerned about a new teacher evaluation system, arguing it would be unfair because it relies too heavily on students’ standardized test scores and does not take into account external factors that affect performance, including poverty, violence and homelessness. They argue it could result in 6,000 teachers losing their jobs within two years. The district says the union already agreed to the new evaluation system, but it has offered to make adjustments.

JOB SECURITY: Worried about dozens of schools that could be closed in the next few years, the union has pushed for a policy to recall laid-off teachers when jobs open up anywhere in the district. The district says that could force principals to hire teachers they don’t believe are qualified. Instead, it has said that if a school closes, teachers would have the first right to jobs that match their qualifications at the schools that absorb the children from the closed school. It also offered to put them in a reassigned teacher pool for five months or give them a three-month severance package.

SALARY and BENEFITS: The school district has offered a 16 percent raise over four years — double an 8 percent offer made earlier — as well as ‘‘modified step increases’’ that it says reward experience and provide ‘‘better incentives for mid-career teachers’’ to keep them from leaving. The district also wants to do away with the ability of teachers to bank sick days but is offering short-term disability, including paid maternity leave. With an average salary of $76,000, Chicago teachers are among the highest-paid in the nation, according to the National Council on Teacher Quality.

LONGER SCHOOL DAY: This central issue appeared to be solved after the two sides agreed weeks ago to a plan allowing the hiring of nearly 500 teachers to cover a longer school day without forcing teachers to work longer. But union officials remain angry about how Emanuel tried to go around them to get the longer day in place early, including offering incentives to individual schools. Union President Karen Lewis has complained about how the longer day is being implemented.

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Posted: 9/11/2012 10:06:18 AM

Obama remains mute on the subject which isnt a surprise being it is so close to election and he wants all those union votes.

Obama did not make a public statement or issue a statement on the strike today, but White House Press Secretary Jay Carney told reporters during a briefing that Obama had "not expressed any opinion or made any assessment" about the strike and that the White House believes that the entities involved in the dispute "can and should work it out."

 

But the above is totally out of character for Obama.....he is like a nosey neighbor on so many matters but he chooses to stay mum on this one. Smart on his part but def out of characrter.

 

 

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Posted: 9/11/2012 10:13:36 AM

and of course Robme is being an opportunist and trying to capitalize on it all.

Politics as usual as the rest of us are used as pawns

 

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Posted: 9/11/2012 10:46:50 AM
I hope one of the moderators in the debates asks about this.
We already know where Romney stands on the issue.
Obama is going to bob and weave and stutter and when he's done
 talking you still won't know where he stands on the issue.
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Posted: 9/11/2012 11:40:03 AM

Lordy.. My my my.. you are always putting down unions and now teachers.  They are the foundation of our country..

I have 5 teachers in my family, one is a Principle, and let me tell you they work hard. They put in long hours at school and at home. I have seen them up a 3 am grading papers. Students and parents can be a pain too.

Look what happened to the airlines and  employee's after Reagan busted the unions. It's nothing but a cattle ride. Now it's to the point the Airlines must scheme and cheat to make money.

Pilots live like paupers on the road. They used to be highly respected, now they are looked at difters. 

Don't tell me about unions and deregulation, because you don't know what in the samhill you're talking about.

 

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Posted: 9/11/2012 12:07:52 PM
Obama is waiting for Biden to say which side of the fence he is on, then Obama will know which side to take...just like happy marriage
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Posted: 9/11/2012 12:42:35 PM

Don

While I do not have much respect for the teachers union I have not put down unions or teachers in this post....please go back and take note of that my good man.

I have presented a current situation and put it in the context of the election. I have done no more than that. This was not a post about my opinion on the matter it was a post about the politicians opinions.

 

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Posted: 9/11/2012 12:59:30 PM
I will put down these teachers.  They have obviously made a decision on what is more important.  Their benefits over showing up to work.  

If these fool are the "backbone of our country"  we are fucked.  

They have already produced some of the stupidest people, with the lowest test scores in the known world.  

China is producing more honor students that will work for $5 a day, 

And we are pulling this garbage.  

Wow,  just wow.  

It is like a watching people arguing over the chair placement on the titanic as it sinks.

You people that make excuses for these idiots are a joke. 


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Posted: 9/11/2012 1:19:17 PM
Shameful that these teachers care more about their own bottom line than the teaching of students.
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Posted: 9/11/2012 2:01:11 PM
This is an issue where Romney can't lose.

Get rid of bad teachers. 

Give underprivileged students the opportunity to go to better
schools through vouchers.

The teachers in Chicago are already making more money than the avg taxpayer.

Everyone always says it's about the students.

Obama will not take sides on this one which proves it's all about the union vote for him.

I would pound this if I were Romney.
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Posted: 9/11/2012 2:30:12 PM

don juan:

It is me who is always trashing unions and teachers. You don't know what in the samhill you are talking about.

Unions were necessary in the early ages of the American worker. Unions could do alot of good in 3rd world countries.

Unions SHOULD have NO place in public workforce. Unions are fading quickly in the private workforce.

Difficult for me to feel sympathy for a teacher grading papers @ 2 am when they get roughly 3 months of vacation in addition to 2 weeks at Christmas and all of the other holidays.

If i'm setting up an exhibit in a trade show, I shouldnt have to pay a union electrician to simply plug in an extension cord.

I wish you union lovers would speak your mind on the issue. It is a losing argument for you!

 

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Posted: 9/11/2012 2:56:34 PM

i want to keep my good paying job no matter how shitty a job i do.

 

 

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Posted: 9/11/2012 3:33:49 PM
Rick.. If you like 5 dollars a day in China.. MOVE.. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
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Posted: 9/11/2012 3:40:12 PM

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Posted: 9/11/2012 3:57:30 PM
Totally inappropriate and not helpful for a POTUS to take sides during a local labor dispute.  Simple as that.  Romney doesn't care, he'll say whatever he thinks will benefit himself politically, although as a point if fact I'll accept that he's not the President so he can say whatever he wants and it doesn't really matter.
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Posted: 9/11/2012 3:57:33 PM
We are lucky here that the teachers arent standing up for themselves..heaven forbid the teachers not just sit back and take all the wage cuts and staffing cuts because of the poor kids.

Here the teachers get paid dirt wages..the state government a few yrs ago passed a general sales tax hike that would go ONLY to education and of course the public backed it..

Fast forward a year and the government took all of the monies allegedly raised away from the general school budget and then more..and then more job cuts and benefit cuts..

The districts are so strapped that they cannot even provide copy paper in the classroom or a pencil sharpener, parents had to bring in class supplies and teachers have to hope that the PTA will raise enough money to offset their out of pocket costs since the districts and state dont give two sh!ts about education here.

Thankfully though the government named the state gun and are concerned about the important things like a Tea Party license plate.

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Posted: 9/11/2012 3:58:04 PM
Where did I state that I like the Chinese model? I am saying that we are fucked because of people like you that have messed up priorities.

When there is a market with people that do more for less the last thing we can afford to do is give up on these children like these teachers and the teachers unions have.
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Posted: 9/11/2012 3:58:09 PM
That said, hopefully they'll work it out, soon.  Glad I live in the burbs instead of the city.
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Posted: 9/11/2012 4:16:01 PM

Not so long ago, I attended a beer summit with my brother and some mutual friends.

One of the attendees accounted an event that took place in the late 90's where he was layed off from his drywall hanging job and worked as a temp for a bit. He was hired by a local school district who had him introducing sledge hammers violently to brand new toilets and urinals that were still in the box. This went on for 3 days and the consensus among the group was that it was done because the district was well below targeted expendatures for the year and the new budget was soon to be determined.

Who wants to venture a guess on whether or not new, new toilets and urinals were soon purchased?

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Posted: 9/11/2012 4:33:58 PM
Did you see that happen Bowl ? NO... then it's hearsay.
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Posted: 9/11/2012 4:52:28 PM

Your friends might lie to you but mine don't. What is there to gain for my friend for making that story up? He never reported it to the news or anything else.

Some people on here are just too naieve.

 

 

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Posted: 9/11/2012 5:00:43 PM
I love how the teachers get all mad that there is not enough money for the increased benefits and raises that they want.... while a large reason that there is not enough money has to deal with the drain that public sector units put on a city/county/state's budget. (Obviously falling revenues through property taxes doesn't help either, but you can't ignore the expenditure side of the equation that has shot through the roof due to the public sector unions.)

Biting the hand that feeds
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Posted: 9/11/2012 5:26:20 PM
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How much is 9 months of daycare in the private sector?

The hand that feeds is cheaper than Kindercare garbage.

Even if you paid 7k a year towards school (doesnt happen) its a BARGAIN vs private care or schooling.

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Posted: 9/11/2012 5:47:48 PM
WSC -- Not sure I follow why it is important as to the cost of nine months of day care. It's probably much more expensive than the property taxes one pays for public schools. I wasn't arguing that public school was or was not a bargain versus private school.
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Posted: 9/11/2012 5:58:34 PM
Your friends won't lie Bowl ? LOL..Talk about naive or even gullible.
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