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#51 Posted: 8/20/2012 10:55:29 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by dl36:
you guys probably have more in common then you think when you strip away the left/right liberal/conservative labels
I think I've posted on here enough for you to know better...
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#52 Posted: 8/20/2012 10:57:45 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by Ktrain:
How is this different from any private sector groups that hires lobbyist to ensure they get what they want from the Government? I.E. Pharmaceuticals, Big Agriculture, Tobacco, Drug Enforcement, Defense Contractors, etc.
The above examples are not taxpayer money.
If a group of individuals want to give their own money to a pharmaceutical company or a soup kitchen then they can. |
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#53 Posted: 8/20/2012 11:00:27 PM
Govt is bloated with far too much waste, far too much bureaucracy, far too many people on the payroll to perform the services it provides.
Oh can anyone say GSA budget?
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#54 Posted: 8/20/2012 11:25:11 PM
But to sit and blame a few private multinationals for all the countries woes is absorb and severely misguided.
When you can't react to chandinh market conditions then you are doomed. Unions and the fat unions hogs who ran or run them along with the fed , state and city councils who singed the bloated pension contracts hog tied the nation for years to come. Time to pay the piper mother guy - or borrow more money or print more money or tax people more.
I know u guys love to tax people more but that is kicking the can down the road.
As I said, the me genration has kicked the can for decades and now that has to stop. The country is headed for a cliff and we need to turn it around.
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#55 Posted: 8/20/2012 11:37:51 PM |
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#56 Posted: 8/20/2012 11:44:54 PM
The family unit has indeed been on decline for some time now. Welfare has been on the rise for some time and becomes a family way of life. It's no LP longer my grandfather was occupation X as was my father as am I.
It's my family was welfare so I will be welfare too.
We need to teach people a trade and give them the skills to get decent paying jobs. And don't say their Aren't any bc I will bury this post with facts that prove otherwise (good paying jobs not minimum wage jobs)
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#57 Posted: 8/20/2012 11:57:14 PM
Also, the projects need funding not more borrowed money.
The days of free rides and free lunches are over |
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#58 Posted: 8/21/2012 12:34:52 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by canovsp:
The above examples are not taxpayer money.
If a group of individuals want to give their own money to a pharmaceutical company or a soup kitchen then they can.
Maybe I should have just said big banks and big ag. |
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#59 Posted: 8/21/2012 8:06:28 AM How is this different from any private sector groups that hires lobbyist to ensure they get what they want from the Government? I.E. Pharmaceuticals, Big Agriculture, Tobacco, Drug Enforcement, Defense Contractors, etc.
Someone lobbying the government is not the same as working for the government.
Someone lobbying the government for legislation that is considered & signed into law is not the same as someone working for the government.
So they are not the same at all. |
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#60 Posted: 8/21/2012 8:07:42 AM How old are you. ? Are you over 18 years old ?
Because if that's your answer, then you have no answer and you need to go back to school.
I'm not the one shouting that the government protects fair wages when it does not.
Have you ever worked in the private sector? |
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#61 Posted: 8/21/2012 8:31:50 AM When it comes right down to it the right wing posters above are flip floppers and hypocrites.
On the one hand, they want " tradesmen " to rebuild the country, but want them to get paid minimum wage. Let me enlighted you, that's not happening in this day and age..to much access to information.
You are not going to get the chinese to come here and build your railroad, mexicans to repair your roof, or blacks to pick your cotton. That's not happening anymore. You're going to pay decent wage or pay through welfare. If not, there will be riots. Take your choice. Greed is over. |
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#62 Posted: 8/21/2012 12:38:00 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by cd329: canosvp, looks like your another guy who has trouble reading and understanding posts.
Maybe if i wrote it in crayon for you.
Yes of course if the population increases there should be more people paying taxes, but theres a huge problem, there is less and less jobs. So that means more and more people arent paying taxes and instead relying on help from the govt.
Now either your being a total smart behind or you really cant undertsand things you read.
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#63 Posted: 8/21/2012 12:38:31 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by cd329: canosvp, looks like your another guy who has trouble reading and understanding posts.
Maybe if i wrote it in crayon for you.
Yes of course if the population increases there should be more people paying taxes, but theres a huge problem, there is less and less jobs. So that means more and more people arent paying taxes and instead relying on help from the govt.
Now either your being a total smart behind or you really cant undertsand things you read.
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#64 Posted: 8/21/2012 4:47:13 PM Originally posted by cdnumbers:
daroad, stop with the public employee crap, its real old now.
Cities are always going to need public employees. This is how our type of society works. If you dont like the things cities provide, there are lots of countries you can move to that provide no services to their people. All i can say is MOVE THERE.
Cities are going broke, because populations are growing, yet there are less jobs for people {because they are all being sent overseas}
When are some of you gonna finally grasp some simple math.
You dont have to be a rocket scientist to figure out if population increases, while jobs decreases, that puts extreme pressure on the systems.
I suggest some of you start applying common sense to problems, instead of believing the bs the talking heads keep feeding you.
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CD its time for you to have another reading comprehension test. He never said that we need to do away with public workers and services. He only said that we need to restructure the pay and bennies for these workers.
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#65 Posted: 8/21/2012 4:52:17 PM Originally posted by thegoldengoose:
"Last year I paid 22.6 percent in federal taxes after all the special deductions afforded me."
Well sir, you still have a ways to go before you catch Ryan at 20% and Romney at 14%.
Lot's of luck with that. 
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Please tell me that you know the difference between taxes on regular earnings and taxes on investment income and why the taxes on investment income is at a lower rate.
I'll help you out...investment income is taxed at a lower rate because the original capital has already been taxed at the higher rate.
Now do you understand? 
If you did understand that difference you would have never posted this assinine statement.
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#66 Posted: 8/21/2012 5:09:15 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by lordspoint:
I don't agree with sending jobs and have posted that many times. I posted times when it a necessity for biz to do so bs doing it for the bottom line ( which to complicate things actually benefits anyone who has a 401K.....ironic)
But to sit and blame a few private multinationals for all the countries woes is absorb and severely misguided.
When you can't react to chandinh market conditions then you are doomed. Unions and the fat unions hogs who ran or run them along with the fed , state and city councils who singed the bloated pension contracts hog tied the nation for years to come. Time to pay the piper mother guy - or borrow more money or print more money or tax people more.
I know u guys love to tax people more but that is kicking the can down the road.
As I said, the me genration has kicked the can for decades and now that has to stop. The country is headed for a cliff and we need to turn it around.
The problem isn't D's or R's - it's both.
No empires last forever. The American Empire is coming to an end, China is the new black....again. |
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#67 Posted: 8/21/2012 5:21:37 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by RJSmith:
No empires last forever. The American Empire is coming to an end, China is the new black....again.
I remember when they said that about the USSR.
Then Japan was going to be the next economic powerhouse.
How'd that work out? |
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#68 Posted: 8/21/2012 5:34:47 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by 14daroad:
I remember when they said that about the USSR.
Then Japan was going to be the next economic powerhouse.
How'd that work out?
I doubt you can find any sane economist who would deny that China will be the largest ecomony in the near future. Some say 2016, others 2020. China's growth is 6 times of that in the US. Just a matter of time. Not even debatable.
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#69 Posted: 8/21/2012 10:31:16 PM
Get a clue. You never ran a business.
Especially not one that involved skilled craftsman so quit crying minimum wage bullshit.
The minimum wage jobs you are incessentantly referring to are the no skill/low skill jobs.
Your generation maybe abused races but my generation won't need to.
Carry on with your whining while we create some skilled labor jobs that involve employer and employee - we don't need the union taking their cut from orh sides and ruining businesses and jobs.
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#70 Posted: 8/21/2012 10:43:00 PM Lordy, exactly what cut does union take.
Yeah get rid of unions, so then businesses can just use workers like slaves. And please dont give me the BS the govt protects workers rights, because if it wasnt for unions being at the fore front of getting workers rights passed, guys like you would be able to pay people the bare minimum in wages, while you pocket the rest. And please dont come back with the BS well its your business, because without workers helping you to make money, you wouldnt have a business.
To bowlslit, if you want to restructure pay and benefits, then do that before the people actually perform the work. That way a person can decide if they even want that job to begin with.
I know WITH 100 PERCENT CERTAINTY that if your company said they will pay you a 1000 a week and then at the end of the week after you did your work, the company says, sorry bowlslit we are only gonna pay you 500. Am sure you would blow a gasket.
or how about when you retire and your company says sorry bowlslit, all that money we put into your 401k plan, we have to take it back, because the company is hurting. Yeah am sure you would say, go ahead, thats okay
guys like you are total hypocrites. You have all these ideas about reducing other peoples wages and benefits, but dont touch yours |
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#71 Posted: 8/21/2012 11:43:36 PM
Obviously you don't have a business either. To retain top talent you can't and don't pay them minimum wage especially in my industry.
Wake up will ya.....all the jobs aren't low level jobs-with some you actually need a brain and some skills to be good at it.
And you can label me whatever you want-I sleep well at night as do my employees bc they know the company takes care of them and they in turn take care of it.
I assume you never had a good boss or worked for a good company before. Maybe you have only worked for large corps where you are indeed just a number but most jobs are created by small biz not the multinationals.
The fact that you see all of biz the same shows your lack of experience on the subject.
Listen, if you are good at what you do think about starting your own company.
The world could use some more risk takers. My advise is to give it a try and I mean that sincerely.
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#74 Posted: 8/22/2012 9:21:10 AM Yeah get rid of unions, so then businesses can just use workers like slaves. And please dont give me the BS the govt protects workers rights, because if it wasnt for unions being at the fore front of getting workers rights passed, guys like you would be able to pay people the bare minimum in wages,
Um, about 10% of the private sector work force is unionized.
Yet America's standard of living is the highest in the world.
Conclusion: what you said is spectacularly false.
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