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#1 Posted: 7/13/2012 12:00:31 PM
this is really scary. the president and his little drone death panel sit in a room, decide who dies and joy stickers outside of vegas bomb the hell out of anyone on the list.
who is on the list? shutup, none of your business. how do you decide who to kill? shutup none of your business who makes the list? shutup none of your business
so we are supposed to just trust that the executive branch will do the right thing and does not need any oversight or permission to kill anyone they want????
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#2 Posted: 7/13/2012 12:05:43 PM 
nah, im not scared. just carry an umbrella  |
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#3 Posted: 7/13/2012 12:34:19 PM |
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#4 Posted: 7/13/2012 12:42:29 PM If you're not an American citizen plotting domestic terrorism,why would you be scared ?
Just don't like the president issuing orders of this nature without your consent or foreknowledge ?
This topic has a tome of philosophical space to imprint our thoughts.
I'm personally going to reflect further before I may indeed post my opinion(s). |
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#5 Posted: 7/13/2012 12:50:31 PM |
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#6 Posted: 7/13/2012 2:16:36 PM
Satellite technology is so advanced that it can pinpoint Taliban planting IEDs and drones can take them out immediately. How else would you protect our troops against IEDs?
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#7 Posted: 7/13/2012 3:11:28 PM
One of the most important aspects of warfare is preserving the life of your own men, while killing those of the enemy. If the general risks the lives of his own men when a safer alternative exists, than that general is not acting the best interest. According to a 2009 study a UN report cited that there was a 28 % reduction in civilian causalities. "The true non-militant fatality rate since 2004 according to our analysis is approximately 21 %. in 2010 it was more like 6 %
In terms of Obama's foreign policy he's really done a friggin swell job.
Something Bush could never do. Obama has taken out Bin Laden as well
as other top terrorist leaders. I say continue to use these drones for covert missions
It's really quite interesting stuff when you delve into it. Whether drones are legal according to the UN's Charter for self defense.
If you look at statistics though drones significantly reduce the number of civilian causalities and collateral damage obviously. They are really great technological advances. Being able to remote control one of these drones all the way from Nevada and taking out terrorist leaders as Obama has done to the Al Qaeda and Taliban leaders you would think that we should continue to use these drones for self defense without having to declare war.
For small scale operations they should certainly be of use to this country because self defense consists of tiny strikes, for example, covert CIA agents against terrorists yet not rising to the full sustaining fighting that would cross the legal threshold of a full scale war.
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#8 Posted: 7/13/2012 3:52:28 PM
bush expanded executive power far too much and now obama is taking it even further.
meet the new boss....same as the old boss.
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#9 Posted: 7/13/2012 6:55:28 PM No thanks.
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#10 Posted: 7/13/2012 6:57:46 PM
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#11 Posted: 7/13/2012 7:32:14 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by AustinHoopDream: the fact of the matter is that we do no know who they are targeting and killing. sure you hear about the big hits, but what about all the others that are mistakes or kill innocents. how can you evaluate the relative merits of the program if all you are fed is the big wins and not shown the disasters?
bush expanded executive power far too much and now obama is taking it even further.
meet the new boss....same as the old boss.
but he represents hope and change, obama is awesome
he only uses his power for good
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#12 Posted: 7/13/2012 7:48:51 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by rick3117: 30,000 domestic drones. No thanks.
That's unrealistic to even fathom.... come on rick, if that ever did happen it wouldn't be for another couple centuries maybe even 500 years down the road.. You'll be long gone my friend int this lifetime we will never see anything like this.
I have a friend whose dad in Nevada who sells military equipment to PMC's and the government. This equipment is extremely efficient and significantly cheaper as well as highly effective
Targeted killings in the use of military power have taken out high-ranking al Qaeda and Taliban leaders pressure on Al Qaeda has been stepped up worldwide.
Not only has the US government but the CIA, NSC, and intelligence and military agencies who carry out these policies view these as effective but lawful policies of the US govt.
If terrorists organizations are willing to blow themselves up to take out buildings in the US we should be deploying as many drone strikes as we possibly can to take them out.
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#13 Posted: 7/13/2012 8:56:03 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by rooster010: but he represents hope and change, obama is awesome he only uses his power for good
I am glad you are taking over for esplande while he is boxed
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#14 Posted: 7/13/2012 9:03:48 PM |
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#15 Posted: 7/13/2012 9:25:42 PM |
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#16 Posted: 7/13/2012 10:43:37 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by dl36: I am glad you are taking over for esplande while he is boxed
leave me out of your circle jerk crew, your infantile obsession with nothing of substance
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#17 Posted: 7/13/2012 10:57:40 PM
your comment sounded like espalande talking... all we needed was a worst president ever, dog meat, odumbo or some other cheap shot and I would have sworn it was ghost writing...
why so serious? cant you take a joke?
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#18 Posted: 7/13/2012 10:58:46 PM
I agree with the beginning of Stilin's post (#7). In a way it is our responsibility to use it.
I agree with you though in that hopefully it does not result in unnecessary civilian casualties. |
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#19 Posted: 7/13/2012 11:01:41 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by dl36: what are you even talking about? your comment sounded like espalande talking... all we needed was a worst president ever, dog meat, odumbo or some other cheap shot and I would have sworn it was ghost writing... why so serious? cant you take a joke?
your jokes are stale, lame, and quite frankly......ignorant
get some new material
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#20 Posted: 7/13/2012 11:04:41 PM Take advantage of it. It is imperative that we minimize our casualty rate, even at the unfortunate expense of foreign civilian casualties. Many of the enemy are dressed in civilain attire and/or are civilians themselves. Let's not forget that and also to take a lot of the propaganda spin they are putting out with a grain of salt as well.
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#21 Posted: 7/13/2012 11:06:44 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by mattbrot: Austin -- This is a tough one. That much power in the hands of anyone is concerning for sure. But we are at war and have been for about a decade now. I am not sure what else we want. We can not have it both ways. If we can build an extremely advanced device such as this and it can be used to our advantage, than why not?
I agree with the beginning of Stilin's post (#7). In a way it is our responsibility to use it.
I agree with you though in that hopefully it does not result in unnecessary civilian casualties.
i guess when you hear the media say "suspected militant" killed, everything is a-ok, or ignore the countless civilian deaths unreported
america---darn yeah
spreading its reign of terror in the name of democracy 
believe in my god or die, thats what we told the natives when this land was discovered, now we just bomb the brown skins
happy 100 years woody guthrie
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#22 Posted: 7/14/2012 12:02:02 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by rooster010: i guess when you hear the media say "suspected militant" killed, everything is a-ok, or ignore the countless civilian deaths unreported america---darn yeah spreading its reign of terror in the name of democracy believe in my god or die, thats what we told the natives when this land was discovered, now we just bomb the brown skins happy 100 years woody guthrie
well said my friend. well said.
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#23 Posted: 7/14/2012 3:03:11 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by rooster010: your jokes are stale, lame, and quite frankly......ignorant get some new material
saying you made a post like espalande was a new joke... never dropped that on you before... cool your jets
plus it got you to make a post that sounded more like you and less like his usual drivel
seems like a win for everyone
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#24 Posted: 7/14/2012 4:07:44 AM
Also rooster and austin seem to be misinformed here as well.
Drones are the future.. If there's one thing America is good at its technology.. Because humans are really designed god awfully.... if you think about it. Can't withstand any kind of damage etc...
I'm not purporting at all that we compile an army of solely drones and convert our military in to robots by any means. But in terms of small scale self defense attacks to take out top terrorist leaders. we should be all means use drones use them to OUR ADVANTAGE!. Death from above...Inevitable attacks that work and provide a hell of a lot less collateral damage. Without risking our own soldiers....
But like I said in my previous post one
of the most important aspects of warfare is preserving the life of your
own men, while killing those of the enemy. If the general risks the
lives of his own men when a safer alternative exists, than that general
is not acting the best interest.
If terrorists are going to suicide bomb themselves this is the best counter to that. Why the darn would or should we risk our own soldiers lives to combat suicide bombers? Explain that one....
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to a 2009 study a UN report cited that :
"The 233 reported drone strikes in northwest Pakistan, including 20 from 2011, from 2004 to the present have killed approximately between 1,435 and 2,283 individuals, of whom around 1,145 to 2,283 were described as militants in reliable press accounts. This, the true non-militant fatality rate since 2004 according to our analysis is approximately 21%. in 2010 is was 6 %.....
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#25 Posted: 7/14/2012 7:12:31 AM
Maybe the first step in combating al Qaeda and Islamic militarism would be to stop funding and supporting them.
I disagree that the amount of collateral damage is acceptable while we (at the same time) aid the enemy. |
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