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Posted: 7/8/2012 1:35:17 PM

http://truth-out.org/news/item/10144-texas-gop-declares-no-more-teaching-of-critical-thinking-skills-in-texas-public-schools#.T_nCkmhRtyk.facebook
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Posted: 7/8/2012 8:40:08 PM

Unbelievable.

Most states are making a huge push towards higher-order thinking skills, meanwhile, Texas is willing to sacrifice their childrens' future in order to propagate their white-dominated religious patriarchal social structure.

This is illegal and borderline sadistic. This is a clear breach of freedom from religion and should be prosecuted as such.  More troubling, is the fact that there are more than enough people in the state of Texas willing to perpetrate such an insidious, short-sighted, and boorish attack on the mind's of the young and liberties of all.

What a not-so subtle reminder of why I hate religion

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Posted: 7/8/2012 8:42:28 PM

We all should be up in arms about this. Call your state representative and the local newspaper.

We need shine light on the filth responsible for this heinous attempt at social programming.

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Posted: 7/8/2012 8:50:06 PM

seriously what is wrong with some of these nutjob republicans? They would love nothing more then keep people living in the dark ages. They are afraid of anybody becoming smarter then them, because then they would lose control over the people.\Really some of these backward thinking republicans need to be taken out to the woodshed for a magor behind beating.

I will predict the right wingers here wont post that this is wrong and instead will defend them, due to them lacking the use of their own brain and afraid of losing their republican club card

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Posted: 7/8/2012 9:01:50 PM
I am sure the lead federal pro from Texas will put an end to this immediately.

Has Texas ever been a model for educative excellence?

This goes to show that a blanket local freedom movement is a terrible idea.
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Posted: 7/13/2012 7:37:34 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by mattbrot:


http://truth-out.org/news/item/10144-texas-gop-declares-no-more-teaching-of-critical-thinking-skills-in-texas-public-schools#.T_nCkmhRtyk.facebook


this doesnt surprise me, so it doesnt bother me that much... more laughable then anything... 

but actually kinda scary that this is future of america and how they will make decisions
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Posted: 7/13/2012 8:25:00 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by dl36:



this doesnt surprise me, so it doesnt bother me that much... more laughable then anything... 

but actually kinda scary that this is future of america and how they will make decisions

yup. As i said in another thread... It is one thing to not be progressive in your thinking but to be flat out backwards in your thinking is scary 
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Posted: 7/13/2012 9:00:36 PM
the real issue here is that some really religious people dont want atheists telling their kids there is no God.  did i get this wrong because im guessing?  

im an agnostic but i get pissed by people telling my kids what to believe one way or the other so this does not seem surprising considering its texas where dinosaurs roamed just 5000 yrs ago.

parents need to teach their kids to think critically btw....very impt.
that way when someone offers them crack for a blow job theyll analyze it first and then shoot the dude, take his crack and plant a fingerprintless blade on the happy crack dealer.....now thats critical thinking.

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Posted: 7/14/2012 11:51:24 AM
Oh noes............the tenets of this "elimination of thought" are so damn draconian...........and the article isn't just a biased piece by a hard lefty.......that Covers resident soft lefties have gotten into a quick snit over.

  • Flat-rate income tax
  • Repeal of the minimum wage (ever heard of Milton Friedman)
  • Opposition to red light cameras
  • Continued opposition to ACORN (even though it has not existed since 2010!)
  • Opposition to statehood or even Congressional voting rights for the citizens of the District of Columbia.
  • More aggressive trial of juveniles as adults
  • Assuredly they oppose voting rights for felons as well
  • and the right to an armed public

Oh noes...........spin it lefties

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Posted: 7/14/2012 12:47:11 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by esplanade:

Oh noes............the tenets of this "elimination of thought" are so damn draconian...........and the article isn't just a biased piece by a hard lefty.......that Covers resident soft lefties have gotten into a quick snit over.

  • Flat-rate income tax
  • Repeal of the minimum wage (ever heard of Milton Friedman)
  • Opposition to red light cameras
  • Continued opposition to ACORN (even though it has not existed since 2010!)
  • Opposition to statehood or even Congressional voting rights for the citizens of the District of Columbia.
  • More aggressive trial of juveniles as adults
  • Assuredly they oppose voting rights for felons as well
  • and the right to an armed public

Oh noes...........spin it lefties


me thinks that you did not read the article or other articles on this matter. 
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Posted: 7/14/2012 5:14:02 PM
espalande is the politics forum's "village idiot"...  ignorant to the topic but seems to spew alot of nonsense about nothing..  just a bunch of talking points and cheap shots with no real substance...

Ironic really that the topic of the thread is critical thinking
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Posted: 7/14/2012 5:19:13 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by mattbrot:


yup. As i said in another thread... It is one thing to not be progressive in your thinking but to be flat out backwards in your thinking is scary 


I personally dont see critical thinking as being exclusively progressive...  progressive if you are talking dark ages... but in the modern era of conservative/progressive I think that both sides should have critical thinking...

so what they are trying do their seem just down right scary... not even sure what the real goal is in hobbling the minds of a generation....

I have to admit I dont get this... unless this is some how an effort to "cut spending"... but the fact that the curriculum content is and issue perhaps the goal is to back to the dark ages...


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Posted: 7/14/2012 7:24:01 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by dl36:



I personally dont see critical thinking as being exclusively progressive...  progressive if you are talking dark ages... but in the modern era of conservative/progressive I think that both sides should have critical thinking...

so what they are trying do their seem just down right scary... not even sure what the real goal is in hobbling the minds of a generation....

I have to admit I dont get this... unless this is some how an effort to "cut spending"... but the fact that the curriculum content is and issue perhaps the goal is to back to the dark ages...



dl36 - I do not mean progressive in a political sense (i.e. democrats vs republicans). I mean progressive in the the forward thinking sense.

 My point is that it can never be a good thing when you are discouraging progress. 
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Posted: 7/14/2012 8:47:53 PM
But then what is to gain by miseducating/not educating USA citizens?

How the heck are we going to compete with other countries, European and Asian countries especially that can kick our fools in math, science, and things like analysis and critical thinking?

I would assume that they understand that this will weaken USA as a country and in the global picture...

It would appear the that the goal of this obviously powerful and influential segment of the population is the disempowerment and destruction of the United States...
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Posted: 7/14/2012 9:20:24 PM
In you want to live in liberal state do it.I live in Texas and there are some things I do not  like here,but no place is perfect. I raised 5 kids here and 4 have degrees and they all have jobs.Texas has a good economy.Better to make something than lay on your behind complaining about how things are and what you think you are worth.What ever side you are on politically you have to admit people are looking for a free ride.
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Posted: 7/14/2012 9:25:19 PM
and this educational move should put alot of people on the "free ride"
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Posted: 7/14/2012 9:28:12 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by mattbrot:


me thinks that you did not read the article or other articles on this matter. 



You must be confusing him with a responsible and sensible human being.  
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Posted: 7/14/2012 10:08:30 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by cts99:

In you want to live in liberal state do it.I live in Texas and there are some things I do not  like here,but no place is perfect. I raised 5 kids here and 4 have degrees and they all have jobs.Texas has a good economy.Better to make something than lay on your behind complaining about how things are and what you think you are worth.What ever side you are on politically you have to admit people are looking for a free ride.

What the hell is your deal? 

What does this post have ANYTHING, ANYTHING AT ALL, to do with Texas taking away the process of teaching students the skills of critical thinking? 

Also, why do you feel the need to constantly remind the rest of the forum that you managed to raise 5 kids? 

Drj did this or something real similar to it. Yet he manages to not mention it repeatedly in almost every other post he makes. 

I think I would much rather live in a liberal state where the public education system preaches the fundamentals of being able to think for yourself in an intelligent manner, as oppose to being a mindless robot that just gets bent over by an elite few and has absolutely no idea it is happening. 

I'm wondering if you have ever even ventured outside of Texas at this point? 


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Posted: 7/14/2012 10:22:42 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Ktrain:


What the hell is your deal? 

What does this post have ANYTHING, ANYTHING AT ALL, to do with Texas taking away the process of teaching students the skills of critical thinking? 

Also, why do you feel the need to constantly remind the rest of the forum that you managed to raise 5 kids? 

Drj did this or something real similar to it. Yet he manages to not mention it repeatedly in almost every other post he makes. 

I think I would much rather live in a liberal state where the public education system preaches the fundamentals of being able to think for yourself in an intelligent manner, as oppose to being a mindless robot that just gets bent over by an elite few and has absolutely no idea it is happening. 

I'm wondering if you have ever even ventured outside of Texas at this point? 


All you guys do is complain about anything you do not like.If you do not live in Texas what the heck does it matter to you. I read the post.Start worrying about the economy and jobs. I posted some figures a week or so about are country. No response what so ever. Do you know why because most of the lame thinkers on this form do not like the truth. You live in your world i live in the real world.You always want to attack my views.You being a veteran i am surprised.
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Posted: 7/14/2012 10:42:16 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by cts99:

All you guys do is complain about anything you do not like.If you do not live in Texas what the heck does it matter to you. I read the post.Start worrying about the economy and jobs. I posted some figures a week or so about are country. No response what so ever. Do you know why because most of the lame thinkers on this form do not like the truth. You live in your world i live in the real world.You always want to attack my views.You being a veteran i am surprised.

As a grand parent I would think that you would be strongly against this, especially if your grand children are to be educated in an education system that doesn't teach them to think for themselves. I'm guessing you would be cool with them being taught about creationism as oppose to both creationism and evolution? 

I do care about this because children are being educated in this manner. And one day these children are going to grow up and vote. Texas has an awfully large population. That's a lot of influence that can't think for themselves at that point. 

I'm not attacking your point of views. I'm attacking your lack of point of view on the subject. Texas' current economy has no basis on this subject. But it definitely could in 10-20 years when all these children that aren't being educated will be filling positions in that economy. 

Is it fair to say that you have no problem with the education system moving in this direction? 

You being a grandfather, I am surprised. 


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Posted: 7/14/2012 11:07:42 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Ktrain:


As a grand parent I would think that you would be strongly against this, especially if your grand children are to be educated in an education system that doesn't teach them to think for themselves. I'm guessing you would be cool with them being taught about creationism as oppose to both creationism and evolution? 

I do care about this because children are being educated in this manner. And one day these children are going to grow up and vote. Texas has an awfully large population. That's a lot of influence that can't think for themselves at that point. 

I'm not attacking your point of views. I'm attacking your lack of point of view on the subject. Texas' current economy has no basis on this subject. But it definitely could in 10-20 years when all these children that aren't being educated will be filling positions in that economy. 

Is it fair to say that you have no problem with the education system moving in this direction? 

You being a grandfather, I am surprised. 


I understand what you are saying.but i am looking at the future of this country. The only thing that will help the nation in the grand scheme of things is jobs jobs and jobs,If you make a lot of money,your kids and grand kids can go anywhere they want to get the best education there is. If this country does not stop inflation and the loss of jobs overseas. You will not have to worry about all the other bs people talk about.Abortion,entitlements, women rights.When people are working they have pride, they feel good about themselves.Do not bye into the smokescreen ,the politicians and the networks sell everyday..I would love to here the first thing any of the guys would do if they were running the white house.My list is about 19 items i would implement the first damn day.
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Posted: 7/14/2012 11:16:47 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by cts99:

I understand what you are saying.but i am looking at the future of this country. The only thing that will help the nation in the grand scheme of things is jobs jobs and jobs,If you make a lot of money,your kids and grand kids can go anywhere they want to get the best education there is. If this country does not stop inflation and the loss of jobs overseas. You will not have to worry about all the other bs people talk about.Abortion,entitlements, women rights.When people are working they have pride, they feel good about themselves.Do not bye into the smokescreen ,the politicians and the networks sell everyday..I would love to here the first thing any of the guys would do if they were running the white house.

My list is about 19 items i would implement the first damn day.



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Posted: 7/14/2012 11:20:18 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by cts99:

I understand what you are saying.but i am looking at the future of this country. The only thing that will help the nation in the grand scheme of things is jobs jobs and jobs,If you make a lot of money,your kids and grand kids can go anywhere they want to get the best education there is. If this country does not stop inflation and the loss of jobs overseas. You will not have to worry about all the other bs people talk about.Abortion,entitlements, women rights.When people are working they have pride, they feel good about themselves.Do not bye into the smokescreen ,the politicians and the networks sell everyday..
I would love to here the first thing any of the guys would do if they were running the white house.My list is about 19 items i would implement the first damn day.

While I don't disagree that jobs are an extremely important for the country to succeed. However, there were plenty of jobs in Nazi Germany as well. And we see where the lack of critical thinking skills led to in that time and place. I would hate to see America follow a similar path in the name of jobs, jobs, jobs. 

I think the first thing I would do as President would be to teach you the difference between the words "buy" and "bye" and "hear" and "here". 

Not trying to be a person, but it's much easier to give your argument more credit, especially one concerning education, when you use the correct words. 

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Posted: 7/15/2012 1:13:39 AM
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While I don't disagree that jobs are an extremely important for the country to succeed. However, there were plenty of jobs in Nazi Germany as well. And we see where the lack of critical thinking skills led to in that time and place. I would hate to see America follow a similar path in the name of jobs, jobs, jobs. 

I think the first thing I would do as President would be to teach you the difference between the words "buy" and "bye" and "hear" and "here". 

Not trying to be a person, but it's much easier to give your argument more credit, especially one concerning education, when you use the correct words. 

My spelling and hand writing are bad,but my math skills are great.As far as you being a person,I do not take it personal.All i can tell you when i grew up there were 10 bad motherf--kers in my town. And to this day i still get 9 Christmas cards every year. Bed time
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