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Posted: 6/28/2012 11:05:38 AM
Does this mean I have free health care now?
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Posted: 6/28/2012 11:07:44 AM
This may mean that we can  develop in this so called 1st world nation that we are today.
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Posted: 6/28/2012 11:08:06 AM
Is this going to be good for the administration since it will now be called a tax? Obama will have to explain this.

May I quote Mr Wolf from Pulp Fiction. This is directed to all supporters of the bill: "Let's not start sucking each other's d#%*s quite yet."
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Posted: 6/28/2012 11:23:54 AM

I am delighted with the outcome.

.and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.

 

 Obama will in Nov 2012, no question about it.   Bet on it before it's too late.

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Posted: 6/28/2012 11:25:06 AM
I'm sure doctors and other healthcare professionals throughout the country are celebrating today.
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Posted: 6/28/2012 11:35:27 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by tideman:

so will the government next, take away the nice homes and cars of the hard working people of this country, and force them to settle for something less, simply because the lazy freeloaders don't have them... This garbage amazes me... I can't understand why anyone , other than the freeloaders, could be for this
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Posted: 6/28/2012 11:35:54 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by canovsp:

I'm sure doctors and other healthcare professionals throughout the country are celebrating today.


Quite the opposite actually. Are you that dumb?
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Posted: 6/28/2012 11:46:52 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by Renton:

I would like to be one of the first to congratulate the United States for entering the 21st century.

Now if you'd just get riddle of the middle men... the insurance companies, all would be right.




This is quite confusing. First you welcome us to the 221st century, and then you say now if only we could rid ourselves of insurance companies. The entire purpose of this bill is to make permanent the health insurers role in bilking us working folk! That and force those that couldn't afford insurance in the first place, onto the roles

Odds are also released on just how much more affordable health care gets as a result

Health care costs double by 2016 elections

YES  -2800
NO +2100

or is it different this time?
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Posted: 6/28/2012 11:51:57 AM
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Originally Posted by be easy:





This is quite confusing. First you welcome us to the 221st century, and then you say now if only we could rid ourselves of insurance companies. The entire purpose of this bill is to make permanent the health insurers role in bilking us working folk! That and force those that couldn't afford insurance in the first place, onto the roles

Odds are also released on just how much more affordable health care gets as a result

Health care costs double by 2016 elections

YES  -2800
NO +2100

or is it different this time?

I can't seem to find those odds anywhere.

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Posted: 6/28/2012 11:54:24 AM
They were just offered up in post 33

I'm surprised you are defending this as a good thing. Really, i am
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Posted: 6/28/2012 11:57:38 AM
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Quite the opposite actually. Are you that dumb?

From your comment I can't tell if you took me seriously or if you knew I was being sarcastic. Are you that dumb?
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Originally Posted by be easy:

They were just offered up in post 33

I'm surprised you are defending this as a good thing. Really, i am

I'm not. I am all for changing our current system which has us paying more for health care in proportion to our income, than any country in the world.

Will ObamaCare be the solution? I have no idea. Clearly the status quo isn't working.

 

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Posted: 6/28/2012 12:04:48 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by be easy:





This is quite confusing. First you welcome us to the 221st century, and then you say now if only we could rid ourselves of insurance companies. The entire purpose of this bill is to make permanent the health insurers role in bilking us working folk! That and force those that couldn't afford insurance in the first place, onto the roles

Odds are also released on just how much more affordable health care gets as a result

Health care costs double by 2016 elections

YES  -2800
NO +2100

or is it different this time?

Couldn't afford?

Many did not to pay for insurance, for various reasons, sure some felt they couldn't afford it, others weren't responsible enough to purchase it.

Many others who wanted to pay for insurance were denied coverage because of a pre-existing condition.

This act resolves all those issues, what it doesn't resolve is why the insurance companies are continuing to get their cut, driving up health care costs.
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Posted: 6/28/2012 12:06:23 PM
Ask some from Massachusetts how much they pay for healthcare......one and a have times as much as those in other states. Now the election just got interesting.
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Posted: 6/28/2012 12:14:24 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by tideman:

so will the government next, take away the nice homes and cars of the hard working people of this country, and force them to settle for something less, simply because the lazy freeloaders don't have them... This garbage amazes me... I can't understand why anyone , other than the freeloaders, could be for this
Sheep like you don't have a clue, you just go along with what the Oxycotin Conservatives tell you! Under the new health care law Freeloaders actually have to pay something. Instead of just running everybody else's insurance up through the roof by going to the emergency room not paying a dime! So the buck gets passed along to people like me & you who pay for our insurance & pay our medical bills.Its about dam time the freeloaders pay something!
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Posted: 6/28/2012 12:15:40 PM
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Couldn't afford?

Many did not to pay for insurance, for various reasons, sure some felt they couldn't afford it, others weren't responsible enough to purchase it.

Many others who wanted to pay for insurance were denied coverage because of a pre-existing condition.

This act resolves all those issues, what it doesn't resolve is why the insurance companies are continuing to get their cut, driving up health care costs.


Explain how this resolves the issue of those of us that cannot afford it in the first place

Is it because they put the word Affordable in the title, you take that on it's face as meaning it makes healthcare more affordable? To me, affordable means lower costs. Where exactly are they lowering costs? Are there some price controls in the act today that weren't in it yesterday?

Or do you mean more affordable like the way the statists have been working so hard to give us affordable housing for lord knows how long, an dnow that the market dictates lower costs for housing, the government will spend untold trillions in attempt to make housing more expensive. Is that what you meant by they will make it more affordable?
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Posted: 6/28/2012 12:16:24 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by be easy:





This is quite confusing. First you welcome us to the 221st century, and then you say now if only we could rid ourselves of insurance companies. The entire purpose of this bill is to make permanent the health insurers role in bilking us working folk! That and force those that couldn't afford insurance in the first place, onto the roles

Odds are also released on just how much more affordable health care gets as a result

Health care costs double by 2016 elections

YES  -2800
NO +2100

or is it different this time?


2012:
Health care cost - USA: 17,6% of GDP
Health care cost - Sweden: 9% of GDP

Sweden has a universal health care system.
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Posted: 6/28/2012 12:34:00 PM


1. Obama's argument that Congress could use its power to regulate commerce between the states to require everyone to buy health insurance was rejected by the court.

2. The law was upheld on a basis — the taxing power — that the Administration didn’t advance.

A big "win" for Obama, Mr. Super-Duper smart Constitutional Law Lecturer!

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Posted: 6/28/2012 12:35:32 PM
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Explain how this resolves the issue of those of us that cannot afford it in the first place

Is it because they put the word Affordable in the title, you take that on it's face as meaning it makes healthcare more affordable? To me, affordable means lower costs. Where exactly are they lowering costs? Are there some price controls in the act today that weren't in it yesterday?

Or do you mean more affordable like the way the statists have been working so hard to give us affordable housing for lord knows how long, an dnow that the market dictates lower costs for housing, the government will spend untold trillions in attempt to make housing more expensive. Is that what you meant by they will make it more affordable?

I'm not sure how the name of the act is relevant. I'm able to move beyond the term affordable, as it has little substance.


The act is simple.

Those who can't afford health insurance are exempt, since they will be able to get coverage through medicaid and medicare. 

Those who can afford health insurance, will now be forced to purchase it. (Yes the government decides who can afford it, and who can't, judged by family size and income).

Health care does become affordable for those with pre-existing conditions, as guaranteed issue now becomes law. (That could be where the term affordable generated)
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Posted: 6/28/2012 12:39:09 PM
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Originally Posted by RJSmith:



2012:
Health care cost - USA: 17,6% of GDP
Health care cost - Sweden: 9% of GDP

Sweden has a universal health care system.

Sweeden is a fraction of the size of America.

Fail.

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Posted: 6/28/2012 12:39:17 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by RJSmith:



2012:
Health care cost - USA: 17,6% of GDP
Health care cost - Sweden: 9% of GDP

Sweden has a universal health care system.


what can you tell us objectively about health care and costs in sweden regarding whether people generally get into to see a doctor in a reasonable period of time for serious problems, the quality of the health care, whether the poor have equal access and the costs.  also, the cost of prescriptions. 

i don't understand how health care can be so selectively accessible here and so expensive when it doesn't appear to be so elsewhere.  also, the medical billing system is completely fucked. 

for instance, two people can have the exact same medical problem and the exact same treatment here and have drastically different medical bills, different insurance adjustments or no adjustments and still pay different percentages of their gross bill. 
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Posted: 6/28/2012 12:39:47 PM
This will be the death knell of the private health insurance industry.
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Posted: 6/28/2012 12:40:02 PM
I'm able to move beyond the term affordable, as it has little substance.

are you being serious ?

affordability has little substance?
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Posted: 6/28/2012 12:42:59 PM
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2. The law was upheld on a basis — the taxing power — that the Administration didn’t advance.

 

It was in their arguments, but I don't imagine it was the argument they wanted to prevail upon, both for future challenges, ability to opt out (people can sue to opt out of certain taxes, not commerce, etc.).

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QUOTE Originally Posted by kaponofor3:

This will be the death knell of the private health insurance industry.



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