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#76 Posted: 6/26/2012 8:05:50 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by ClubDirt:
zimmerman agreed to take and passed lie detector test a while ago. is this just coming out? i haven't been paying close attention.
Think it has been known for some time, but the more specific details came out just in the last week. It sounds like the Judge meet with Angela and Zimmerman's attorney and waived any explicit or non-explicit gag orders.
As you know, however, the results are somewhat irrelevant (and inadmissible) absent knowing the questions that were asked.
The layperson will make a big deal because they assume that Zimmerman told a story and was judged to be telling the truth or not, when the reality is he was asked specific questions and his answers were judged by any change in his bodily reactions.
I will reserve judgment until I know the specific questions, but no doubt it does create an interesting angle for the prosecution i.e. do they become worried about taint of the jury pool and admit the results for the sole purpose of challenging reliability.  |
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#78 Posted: 6/26/2012 8:54:51 PM the questions are referenced in the link.
I'd love to know why you are saying this will be inadmissible.
I mean factually, not your typical misdirection.
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#79 Posted: 6/26/2012 9:04:19 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by 14daroad: Djbrow,the questions are referenced in the link.
I'd love to know why you are saying this will be inadmissible.
I mean factually, not your typical misdirection.
Found this...
The U.S. Code and the Federal Rules of Evidence are both silent on the admissibility of polygraph examination results. The U.S. Supreme Court has deferred judgment to the courts of each jurisdiction to determine whether polygraph exam results are admissible. As a result, polygraph exam results are excluded in some federal circuits and states but are admissible in others if the parties previously agreed to admissibility before the exam was given. Arizona, California, Florida and Nevada permit the use of lie-detector results in court if all parties agree beforehand that they will be admissible. On the other hand, Illinois, New York, Pennsylvania, Texas and the District of Columbia completely exclude polygraph exam results even if all parties want to admit the results.
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#80 Posted: 6/26/2012 9:10:41 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by 14daroad: Djbrow,
the questions are referenced in the link.
I'd love to know why you are saying this will be inadmissible.
I mean factually, not your typical misdirection.
Results of lie detector tests are generally inadmissible. The States of California, Arizona, Nevada, Georgia, and Florida allow for admissibility if all parties agree, thus my comment about Angela agreeing based on taint only.
Interestingly, Florida became one of the first states to allow for the admissibility of tests for convicted sex offenders during probationary periods.
Those cannot be the only questions asked. There have to be base questions (questions where the answer would be a guaranteed truth and where the answer would be guaranteed false) in order for a proper comparison of nerve waves so to speak.
Additionally, those two questions would be pretty vague and quite general for a normal poly test. |
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#81 Posted: 6/26/2012 9:45:53 PM
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#82 Posted: 6/26/2012 9:54:16 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by ClubDirt:
the results of the lie detector test will, no doubt, be inadmissible at the trial (although their media attention may make them relevant in a practical sense since this case is so well publicized). i'm always interested to see a suspect's reaction when asked to take a lie detector test. obviously, we don't know the context, but it says something to me when a person agrees to take one, particularly if he's taking one so soon after the incident.
I thought the exact same thing when I heard he willingly took a lie detector test. It speaks volumes to me of his likely innocence. |
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#83 Posted: 6/26/2012 9:58:29 PM
in any case, that's a bold move taking a lie detector test the night of the shooting presumably without legal advice. i'd never do it. it was stupid but it does say something about his mindset and it worked out for him.
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#84 Posted: 6/26/2012 10:11:30 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by ClubDirt:
yeah, that's why said it that way. it's very hard to evaluate the reliability of a lie detector test. it depends on the circumstances of the case, the type of questions, the person giving the test and other factors. the more "black and white" the question and answer is, the better but there are a lot of factors. for instance, "did you shoot trayvon martin?" is a lot better question than "were you in fear for your life when you shot trayvon martin?" but of course the former question isn't helpful here.
in any case, that's a bold move taking a lie detector test the night of the shooting presumably without legal advice. i'd never do it. it was stupid but it does say something about his mindset and it worked out for him.
sometimes y'all forget this mans father is a former judge and his mother was some type of clerk for the courthouse,you dont think that background helps him have the "know how" when dealing with situations like this. |
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#85 Posted: 6/26/2012 10:19:03 PM
in any case, he was stupid, in my opinion, for agreeing to the lie detector test but obviously it worked out for him.
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#86 Posted: 6/26/2012 10:22:24 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by dl36: why would I bait you into posting insulting and ignorant stuff (which posted anyways cause you couldnt help yourself)...
 mind trick?Is this more of your magical thinking that you base your reality upon? what are you even talking about?  I think you beginning to crack again like you did a few weeks back... try and hold it together please So bascially you are saying that this is not a political issue then and that your posting thread after thread after thread insisting "your OJ" is innocent in the politics section is wrong... plus ofcourse your blah blah blah schitck on conservatives/liberals...  I have heard your plan to rehabilitate inmates in prison by watching TV and videos of people enjoying the fruits of their labor... which was hilarious...  Now tell me about your spanking/disciplining children... so what is your idea of how disciplining of child should happen if there were no constraints in pussified america? This should be good... 
still waiting...
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#88 Posted: 6/27/2012 12:10:52 AM
You need authority to pursue a person and ask them questions regarding criminal activity. You continually ignore the fact that Zimmerman was a freak show chasing a kid in the rain in darkness.
The next time you see a black man following you at night in the rain, just stop, he’s just wants to ask you a question.
I believe Zimmerman was stupid enough to try to stop him. Spoiled people like him don’t care about rules or authority. In his mind he is god and believes he will be a hero. Calling police basically gave Zimmerman a license to kill. Zimmerman is armed, he knows cops are on the way, so if he is questioned. He has the perfect alibi to get out of trouble. 40 similar calls without him being on pursuit. He stayed away and let the cops do their jobs those times. The high was to tempting for him this time.
The theatrical police video.
Zimmerman on the video, “He repeatedly hit me in the face”
Zimmerman said Martin told him, “You’ve got a problem now.”
Then Zimmerman said Martin told him, “You’re gonna die tonight Mother guy.”
After that, Zimmerman said Martin told him after being shot, “You got me, you got me.”
Look at how ridiculous that sounds.
Zimmerman took the stand.
Zimmerman is 28. He told the emergency 911 dispatcher he thought martin was in his “late teens.” Then he took the stand and said to Martins parents, “I thought he was a little bit younger than I am.” Hummm… which is it Zimmerman was he in his teens or a little bit younger than you?
Then the jail house tapes.
Then Zimmerman’s wife lied to the court and transferred all of Zimmerman’s money into her account.
Four days before Zimmerman’s wife and Zimmerman were discussing how to pay credit card bills with the 10 grand.
In the jailhouse tapes…
Zimmerman’s wife: Well you could lay down
Zimmerman: Yeah, exactly. Well I have a Hoodie (followed by laughter)
Zimmerman’s wife: Mmhmmm, mhmmmm…
Yeah, like that sounds like an innocent person.
Zimmerman’s history with domestic violence and Zimmerman was charged with resisting officer with violence” and “battery of law enforcement officer,” both which are third-degree felonies. The charge was reduced to “resisting officer without violence.
Zimmerman has a Jekyll and Hyde personality. A co-worker from this business has explained that Zimmerman was fired for being “too aggressive.”
Zimmerman: These fool. They always get away.
911 dispatcher: Are you following him?
Zimmerman: Yeah
911 dispatcher: We don’t need you to do that.
Zimmerman: OK
Motivation for pursuing Martin and evidence he pursed after he acknowledged he wouldn't.
This is what repeatedly hit in the face looks like?
Picture of Zimmerman the night of the killing
Picture of Zimmerman on the stand
Notice how his eyes look exactly the same. Even though one of the pictures was pictures taken in February and the other April 20.
Picture of Zimmerman reaching for his weapon before Martin punched him
Zimmerman is a lying sociopath wannabe cop that disobeyed a 911 emergency dispatcher, scared his co-workers with his Jekyll and Hyde personality. He used his judge daddy to get out of trouble for hurting a woman and attacking a cop. He lied to the court about his finances, callously laughs at Martin wearing a hoodie in the jailhouse tapes, and made up a ridiculous theatrical story. Zimmerman is a spoiled rotten theatrical narcissistic sociopathic lying wannabe cop. I believe he is so crazy that he could pass any test in front of him. He is an extremely bright sick-minded criminal.
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#89 Posted: 6/27/2012 12:19:01 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by MoneySRH:
The reason I mentioned the amount of fights is that your belief that black eyes can be identical in the same spots is absolutely ridiculous and if he has been hit like he says he was it would have been visible within hours. The next morning the swelling would be enormous if he was punched repeatedly as he says he was.
You need authority to pursue a person and ask them questions regarding criminal activity. You continually ignore the fact that Zimmerman was a freak show chasing a kid in the rain in darkness.
The next time you see a black man following you at night in the rain, just stop, he’s just wants to ask you a question.
I believe Zimmerman was stupid enough to try to stop him. Spoiled people like him don’t care about rules or authority. In his mind he is god and believes he will be a hero. Calling police basically gave Zimmerman a license to kill. Zimmerman is armed, he knows cops are on the way, so if he is questioned. He has the perfect alibi to get out of trouble. 40 similar calls without him being on pursuit. He stayed away and let the cops do their jobs those times. The high was to tempting for him this time.
The theatrical police video.
Zimmerman on the video, “He repeatedly hit me in the face”
Zimmerman said Martin told him, “You’ve got a problem now.”
Then Zimmerman said Martin told him, “You’re gonna die tonight Mother guy.”
After that, Zimmerman said Martin told him after being shot, “You got me, you got me.”
Look at how ridiculous that sounds.
Zimmerman took the stand.
Zimmerman is 28. He told the emergency 911 dispatcher he thought martin was in his “late teens.” Then he took the stand and said to Martins parents, “I thought he was a little bit younger than I am.” Hummm… which is it Zimmerman was he in his teens or a little bit younger than you?
Then the jail house tapes.
Then Zimmerman’s wife lied to the court and transferred all of Zimmerman’s money into her account.
Four days before Zimmerman’s wife and Zimmerman were discussing how to pay credit card bills with the 10 grand.
In the jailhouse tapes…
Zimmerman’s wife: Well you could lay down
Zimmerman: Yeah, exactly. Well I have a Hoodie (followed by laughter)
Zimmerman’s wife: Mmhmmm, mhmmmm…
Yeah, like that sounds like an innocent person.
Zimmerman’s history with domestic violence and Zimmerman was charged with resisting officer with violence” and “battery of law enforcement officer,” both which are third-degree felonies. The charge was reduced to “resisting officer without violence.
Zimmerman has a Jekyll and Hyde personality. A co-worker from this business has explained that Zimmerman was fired for being “too aggressive.”
Zimmerman: These fool. They always get away.
911 dispatcher: Are you following him?
Zimmerman: Yeah
911 dispatcher: We don’t need you to do that.
Zimmerman: OK
Motivation for pursuing Martin and evidence he pursed after he acknowledged he wouldn't.
This is what repeatedly hit in the face looks like?
Picture of Zimmerman the night of the killing
Picture of Zimmerman on the stand
Notice how his eyes look exactly the same. Even though one of the pictures was pictures taken in February and the other April 20.
Picture of Zimmerman reaching for his weapon before Martin punched him
Zimmerman is a lying sociopath wannabe cop that disobeyed a 911 emergency dispatcher, scared his co-workers with his Jekyll and Hyde personality. He used his judge daddy to get out of trouble for hurting a woman and attacking a cop. He lied to the court about his finances, callously laughs at Martin wearing a hoodie in the jailhouse tapes, and made up a ridiculous theatrical story. Zimmerman is a spoiled rotten theatrical narcissistic sociopathic lying wannabe cop. I believe he is so crazy that he could pass any test in front of him. He is an extremely bright sick-minded criminal.
You can't possibly know whether most of that post is accurate in labelling Zimmerman... seems like you're just taking wild stabs in the dark to justify your stance. |
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#90 Posted: 6/27/2012 1:29:26 AM
However, the results of such tests are usually not admissible in court.
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#92 Posted: 6/27/2012 2:24:20 AM
"justice" is not the issue here... 
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#93 Posted: 6/27/2012 2:29:29 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by cashin:
SS - imo opinion, fair enough justice for "George" would be about 8-12 yrs in prison. And that oughta be considered by him & his fam to be a semi-gift - ,,,, |
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#94 Posted: 6/27/2012 11:15:06 AM
http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-lead-homicide-investigator-skeptical/story?id=16653793#.T-sg35GBq1g
Now add bully to the list. Great video and article, the plot thickens. 
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#96 Posted: 6/27/2012 12:41:45 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by djbrow:
Results of lie detector tests are generally inadmissible. The States of California, Arizona, Nevada, Georgia, and Florida allow for admissibility if all parties agree, thus my comment about Angela agreeing based on taint only.
Interestingly, Florida became one of the first states to allow for the admissibility of tests for convicted sex offenders during probationary periods.
Those cannot be the only questions asked. There have to be base questions (questions where the answer would be a guaranteed truth and where the answer would be guaranteed false) in order for a proper comparison of nerve waves so to speak.
Additionally, those two questions would be pretty vague and quite general for a normal poly test.
Here are the control questions.
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#97 Posted: 6/27/2012 12:44:59 PM You need authority to pursue a person and ask them questions regarding criminal activity.
Um, no you don't.
You continually ignore the fact that Zimmerman was a freak show chasing a kid in the rain in darkness.
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There is no evidence, anywhere at all, indicating this is a "fact"
You simply can't make a post on this topic without lying.
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#98 Posted: 6/27/2012 12:49:14 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by No_Contest:
sometimes y'all forget this mans father is a former judge and his mother was some type of clerk for the courthouse,you dont think that background helps him have the "know how" when dealing with situations like this.
Yes! Because of course when your father was a judge in another state (you have no idea which type of judge) it totally prepares you to answer questions from homicide detectives without a lawyer for 5 hours immediately after the shooting, and for subseqent interviews the next day.
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#99 Posted: 6/27/2012 1:36:42 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by dl36:
still waiting...
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#100 Posted: 6/27/2012 7:46:05 PM
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