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#1 Posted: 5/6/2012 1:29:39 PM http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/05/04/carolla_rips_60_minutes_the_left_over_ridiculous_standard_on_torture.html
Adam Carolla ripped Leslie Stahl of CBS's "60 Minutes" and those on the Left for complaining about enhanced interrogation techniques used by the U.S. after 9/11 to extract information from known terrorists. Carolla's main issue, other than Stahl's incessant questioning of Jose Rodriguez Jr., the chief of the CIA's Clandestine Service, was that the critics of such practices don't have a viable alternative to them.
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#2 Posted: 5/6/2012 2:06:08 PM
This left vs right stuff is pathetic. |
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#3 Posted: 5/6/2012 3:07:12 PM
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#6 Posted: 5/6/2012 4:04:21 PM
I am not proud of the methods we use, nor am I in support of an obvious evil doob they were dealing with. |
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#8 Posted: 5/6/2012 4:11:11 PM
The intelligence used to find him was gathered in part by water boarding.
Oh, and remember, Obama inherited everything from George Bush (except the intelligence network that tracked down Bin Laden)
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#11 Posted: 5/7/2012 10:45:08 AM Or if any confessions for that matter can be counted as reliable when torture methods were employed during detention.
If you torture me enough I will claim responsibility for the Pearl Harbor attacks.
I think that I am now erring on the side of non-torture. I do not include sleep, diet, and external stimuli in this equation. I think that those are good interrogation techniques.
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#12 Posted: 5/7/2012 11:06:02 AM
Stress positions and sleep deprivation are much better in extracting actionable intelligence, while direct pain infliction is more likely to bring about false intelligence that could get people killed.
Skip to pg. 93 under the section on "Pain".
Some may think that this is outdated or irrelevant in today's world, but you should understand that this came during the time of the United States' most exhaustive operations, trials, and tests that were specifically targeted to interrogation, torture, and mind alteration. MKULTRA ring any bells.
Here is the 1977 Senate Report on MKUltra, in it , you can see the findings of the "truth drugs" that are found to be much more reliable than torture. Although some brush these documents aside and would like to pretend that they do not exist, and that they are somehow "a conspiracy theory", our country is excellent at enhanced torture techniques thanks to the research and testing (all be it illegal), by Dr Ewen Cameron (of shock doctrine fame). We were able to develop drugs and techniques that far surpass the reliability of pain compliance and "old school" methods of medieval torture.
The question is, if the documents do not support torture as reliable. Testing and scientific research has given huge gains in pharmacological advances to induce the truth. Why do we still do things like waterboarding? what is the point.
Have we regressed? or do we have a sick fascination with pain and suffering?
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#13 Posted: 5/7/2012 11:12:19 AM QUOTE Originally Posted by depeche2:
And is there anyone who cares what Adam Carolla thinks? Seriously?
I like Adam Carolla, have since the early Loveline days in the 90's 
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#14 Posted: 5/7/2012 1:57:30 PM Wait until you see what Al qaeda does with Warren Weinstien before you complain about enhanced interrogation.
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Will they saw his head off with a dull knife as they have done in the past?
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#15 Posted: 5/7/2012 6:38:05 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by kaponofor3: I like Adam Carolla, have since the early Loveline days in the 90's
I listened to Loveline back then also, but regardless, do I care about his political opinions in the last? No.
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#16 Posted: 5/7/2012 6:46:15 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by depeche2:
I listened to Loveline back then also, but regardless, do I care about his political opinions in the last? No.
If his beliefs parroted yours you would be fine with it. |
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#17 Posted: 5/7/2012 6:59:03 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by bowlslit:
Wait until you see what Al qaeda does with Warren Weinstien before you complain about enhanced interrogation.
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Will they saw his head off with a dull knife as they have done in the past?
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#18 Posted: 5/7/2012 7:30:34 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by bowlslit:
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Actually I disagreed with your conclusion but decided not to post about it.
One atrocious act does not validate another. |
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#19 Posted: 5/7/2012 8:36:16 PM Oh, and remember, Obama inherited everything from George Bush (except the intelligence network that tracked down Bin Laden)
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#20 Posted: 5/7/2012 11:00:57 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by rooster010: Oh, and remember, Obama inherited everything from George Bush (except the intelligence network that tracked down Bin Laden)
He inherited the OBL problem and decided to go about it differently... so what?
It is funny that obama supporters try to do anything they can to champion this administration with the OBL killing and obama whiners whine try to do anything they can to take away from crediting the Obama administration with the OBL killing...
2 sides, same coin...
I personally think it is ironic that the nobel peace prize winner is guy known for the OBL kill shot...
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#21 Posted: 5/8/2012 12:49:41 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
Actually I disagreed with your conclusion but decided not to post about it.
One atrocious act does not validate another.
So you equate somthing like waterboarding with sawing off someones head with a dull knife? |
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#22 Posted: 5/8/2012 12:56:37 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by bowlslit:
So you equate somthing like waterboarding with sawing off someones head with a dull knife?
When you start rationalizing what level one form of brutality is to another then you have become the very group you abhor.
The guy got rid of tons of info on things that happened there which were pretty damning, I am quite sure that waterboarding is not the most severe action we took against these detainees.
Also, the worse we treat these guys the more it fuels their hatred and anger towards us which endangers anyone who travels outside the US. |
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#23 Posted: 5/8/2012 2:03:18 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
When you start rationalizing what level one form of brutality is to another then you have become the very group you abhor.
The guy got rid of tons of info on things that happened there which were pretty damning, I am quite sure that waterboarding is not the most severe action we took against these detainees.
Also, the worse we treat these guys the more it fuels their hatred and anger towards us which endangers anyone who travels outside the US.
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#24 Posted: 5/8/2012 2:50:26 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by bowlslit:
When a bully throws a punch at me I punch back. I don't run to the teacher and hide behind her.
No..
When a bully throws a punch at you the correct thing is to speak with an adult, if you are in school (per the teacher reference) then you do not retaliate, you cannot rationalize retaliation as a means to validate bad behavior. |
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#25 Posted: 5/8/2012 3:10:40 PM QUOTE Originally Posted by wallstreetcappers:
No..
When a bully throws a punch at you the correct thing is to speak with an adult, if you are in school (per the teacher reference) then you do not retaliate, you cannot rationalize retaliation as a means to validate bad behavior.
I absolutely retaliate, even at the point of suspension if it warrents. It will show other potential bullies that they will be in for a fight if they cross the line with me.
If we had reasonable retaliation laws on the books, bullie issues would have diminished long ago.
Even with the new attention to bullys, hiding behind the teacher or the school administrator only guarantees you more beatings.
The concept applied to interrogation is that we don't stoop to thier level by beheading them or dragging thier body behind a pickup truck through town. But we can definitely deprive them of sleep or poor water on them or make them uncomfortable.
I hate this day and age where we worry more about criminals rights then we do the criminals. |
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