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Author: [Politics] Topic: Dershowitz Blasts Zimmerman Prosecution: 'Not Only Immoral, But Stupid'
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Posted: 4/20/2012 2:05:42 PM

I guess he didn't get the Trayvon was stalked talking points:

Professor Alan Dershowitz of Harvard Law School stated upon release of the arrest affidavit that it was “so thin that it won’t make it past a judge on a second degree murder charge … everything in the affidavit is completely consistent with a defense of self-defense.”

After the release of the photo, however, Dershowitz went much further, telling Breitbart News that if the prosecutors did have the photo and didn’t mention it in the affidavit, that would constitute a “grave ethical violation,” since affidavits are supposed to contain “all relevant information.”

Dershowitz continued, “An affidavit that willfully misstates undisputed evidence known to the prosecution is not only unethical but borders on perjury because an affiant swears to tell not only the truth, but the whole truth, and suppressing an important part of the whole truth is a lie."

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Obama's election has set race relations back several decades and this goof-ball Corey woman (We opened our meeting with prayer) will lower the public's confidence in the criminal justice system.

For some more interesting reading on this crap-a-davit, here are some criminal defense attorneys views:

It's a piece of crap

Another take: It is a piece of doo-doo

Even Talkleft gets in on the action.

I hope Zimmerman sues a lot of people over this...

 

 

 

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Posted: 4/20/2012 3:48:29 PM
What does Obama have to do with Corey?

Seems like an odd connection to draw given that Corey is a hardcore Republican and Dershowitz is a liberal Democrat.
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Posted: 4/20/2012 3:54:20 PM
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Originally Posted by depeche2:

What does Obama have to do with Corey?

Seems like an odd connection to draw given that Corey is a hardcore Republican and Dershowitz is a liberal Democrat.

Fail

Reading comprehension problems? I don''t think the OP said in the article what you have taken from it.

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Posted: 4/20/2012 3:58:11 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by bowlslit:

Fail

Reading comprehension problems? I don''t think the OP said in the article what you have taken from it.



"Obama's election has set race relations back several decades and this goof-ball Corey woman (We opened our meeting with prayer) will lower the public's confidence in the criminal justice system."

So you're just saying the first portion of this sentence was completely unrelated and off-topic?
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Posted: 4/20/2012 4:02:23 PM

Prosecution charged this guy w/ 2nd degree murder all due to public pressure.  She can deny it all she wants but I personally don't think an arrest was warranted.  They must have some overpowering evidence that none of us know about to charge the guy after 40 some-odd days.   

It's a shame that 2 families are destroyed over this BS.  Just a sad situation.

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Posted: 4/20/2012 4:09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by depeche2:



"Obama's election has set race relations back several decades and this goof-ball Corey woman (We opened our meeting with prayer) will lower the public's confidence in the criminal justice system."

So you're just saying the first portion of this sentence was completely unrelated and off-topic?

Its neither unrelated or off topic.

He could have made two sentences out of the one that started with Obama...but, for you to mis read it the way you did to me explains why you are a liberal.

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Posted: 4/21/2012 7:55:54 AM

http://theconservativetreehouse.com/2012/04/21/update-10-part-2-the-trayvon-martin-shooting-deedee-reveals-the-false-truths/ 

Very in depth, DeeDee reveals the false Truths

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Posted: 4/21/2012 8:18:41 AM

From the NYT:


As part of his effort to win Mr. Zimmerman’s release on bond, Mr. O’Mara challenged the prosecution’s case, going through the state’s probable cause affidavit line by line, turning the bail hearing into what appeared to be a foretaste of the trial.

He aggressively questioned a state investigator, Dale Gilbreath, about the accusation that Mr. Zimmerman had racially profiled Mr. Martin, and he demanded to know what evidence the state had for the statement that “Zimmerman confronted Martin and a struggle ensued.”

“Do you know who started the fight?” Mr. O’Mara asked Mr. Gilbreath.

“Do I know?” Mr. Gilbreath said. “No.”

Mr. O’Mara then asked Mr. Gilbreath if the state had any evidence to contradict Mr. Zimmerman’s statement to the police that he had been making his way back to his car when he was punched by Mr. Martin. Mr. Zimmerman told investigators he shot Mr. Martin in self-defense after Mr. Martin banged his head on concrete, covered his nose and mouth and reached for his gun.

Mr. Gilbreath responded, “No.”

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Posted: 4/21/2012 8:20:19 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by depeche2:

What does Obama have to do with Corey?

Seems like an odd connection to draw given that Corey is a hardcore Republican and Dershowitz is a liberal Democrat.




Um, both Obama & Corey believe in a false narrative regarding this matter. Their political affiliation doesn't prevent that.

Additionally, by their actions regarding this case both Obama & Corey are doing damage to this country.

That's what they have to do with each other.
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Posted: 4/21/2012 9:13:37 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by 14daroad:

I hope Zimmerman sues a lot of people over this...

 

Like OJ did, right?

Tell me, given the smart attorney you are, what is his claim? How does he get around immunity? Whom does he sue?

This could be a big case for you. You should throw your hat in the ring.

 

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Posted: 4/21/2012 9:33:36 AM
lawsuit...the answer to everything

sometimes life just isnt fair.....but but but let's make a law or  a regulation or an executive order trying to make sure that every little thing is fair in someone's mind.

sue sue sue .....  WTF basis would this guy have to sue?....  they waited how long to even file charges?....  

granted, politics and race are probably leading this horse....but suing ???? 

sure, now turn it into a 7 ring circus .....

cannot believe with all the problems that exist in America today that this seems to stay at the top of the news .....


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Posted: 4/21/2012 9:43:44 AM
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Originally Posted by AcerRubrum:

lawsuit...the answer to everything

sometimes life just isnt fair.....but but but let's make a law or  a regulation or an executive order trying to make sure that every little thing is fair in someone's mind.

sue sue sue .....  WTF basis would this guy have to sue?....  they waited how long to even file charges?....  

granted, politics and race are probably leading this horse....but suing ???? 

sure, now turn it into a 7 ring circus .....

cannot believe with all the problems that exist in America today that this seems to stay at the top of the news .....


Pretty much agree with this post and I'll add...Zimmerman has a fund set up for people to contribute to his legal expenses. There are thousands of people every year falsely accused of crimes that lose everything paying their own legal expenses because their cases are not front page news.

I have sympathy for him, but the ones I feel sorry for are the Martin family because regardless of what their son did in this matter, they still lost him and they did nothing wrong.

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Posted: 4/21/2012 12:30:03 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by djbrow:

Pretty much agree with this post and I'll add...Zimmerman has a fund set up for people to contribute to his legal expenses. There are thousands of people every year falsely accused of crimes that lose everything paying their own legal expenses because their cases are not front page news.

I have sympathy for him, but the ones I feel sorry for are the Martin family because regardless of what their son did in this matter, they still lost him and they did nothing wrong.

Actually, I disagree that they did nothing wrong.

Parenting or lack thereof is a major issue in our country and all over the world. I've told my boys from very young age how they can avoid punishment from me in regards to their involvement in a fight.

They have my permission to finish a fight they couldnt talk their way out of. I have stressed over and over that they should make every reasonable effort to talk their way out of every situation.

The ignorance of Trayvons parents with regard to his downward path is not only common but discouraging. I don't believe he was a gangster thug, but I do believe he was on a downward path.

As parents, it is our responsibility to prepare our children for this difficult world and nurture them to be a positive influence on others around them and a positive to society and not a negative.

I hope I'm not the only one that thinks like that.

Alot of you guys have read Zimmerman wrong.

Zimmerman's father, Robert Zimmerman, said that even when confronted, his son was likely to "turn the other cheek." The father also described his son's injuries the morning after Martin was shot, saying he had a cut and swollen lip, a protective cover over his nose and gashes on the back of his head.

Zimmerman's mother, Gladys, said her son worked with two black children as part of a mentoring program that required him to venture into a dangerous neighborhood. "He said, 'Mom, if I don't go, they don't have nobody,'" she recalled.

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Posted: 4/21/2012 2:05:12 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by bowlslit:

Alot of you guys have read Zimmerman wrong.

Zimmerman's father, Robert Zimmerman, said that even when confronted, his son was likely to "turn the other cheek." The father also described his son's injuries the morning after Martin was shot, saying he had a cut and swollen lip, a protective cover over his nose and gashes on the back of his head.

Zimmerman's mother, Gladys, said her son worked with two black children as part of a mentoring program that required him to venture into a dangerous neighborhood. "He said, 'Mom, if I don't go, they don't have nobody,'" she recalled.


You missed this statement:

"He is absolutely not a violent person," said his wife, Shellie Zimmerman.

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Posted: 4/21/2012 3:16:37 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by djbrow:


You missed this statement:

"He is absolutely not a violent person," said his wife, Shellie Zimmerman.

WTF is that supposed to mean?

 

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Posted: 4/21/2012 4:51:52 PM
Blowsit and 14daroad?

Why is the zimmerman case so important to you?

Like what is the personal investment?

You know for people like obama, alsharpton, etc their angle is obvious...

But i am trying figure out why you are so obsessed with this case?
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Posted: 4/22/2012 2:05:22 PM
Maywood, Ill. - Alton L. Hayes III, a west suburban man charged with a hate crime, told police he was so upset about the Trayvon Martin case in Florida that he beat up a white man early Tuesday.

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Posted: 4/22/2012 2:08:46 PM

Some more info on Trayvon

http://patdollard.com/2012/03/was-trayvon-martin-a-drug-dealing-gangbanger/

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Posted: 4/22/2012 2:09:54 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by djbrow:

Like OJ did, right? 

Tell me, given the smart attorney you are, what is his claim? How does he get around immunity? Whom does he sue?

This could be a big case for you. You should throw your hat in the ring. 

 



Er, OJ was guilty and media outlets didn't perpetrate lies about the facts in the case.

So um, fail.

By the way mr smart attorney, I'm still waiting for you to explain, (and remember you have seen hundreds, if not thousands of investigative reports after shootings, ) why you believe wound ballistics findings would be in a police report from officers at the scene?


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Posted: 4/22/2012 3:17:43 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by bowlslit:

WTF is that supposed to mean?

 


It means you're missing the point...



The only judge/jury in the case should be Zimmerman's grandmother, the and the only question should be "is your grandson a nice little boy?"


..But then again we don't need all that, because you are doing a fine job yourself of providing us with the answer, and we really appreciate it. 
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Er, OJ was guilty and media outlets didn't perpetrate lies about the facts in the case.

So um, fail.

By the way mr smart attorney, I'm still waiting for you to explain, (and remember you have seen hundreds, if not thousands of investigative reports after shootings, ) why you believe wound ballistics findings would be in a police report from officers at the scene?


OJ was guilty? That wasn't what a jury said. Under your theory, he would have a right to sue as well.

The ballistics report wouldn't be in the police report, silly. They take weeks.

The report would say: the body was sent for ballistic tests.

The report doesn't say that.

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Posted: 4/23/2012 8:56:25 AM
QUOTE Originally Posted by djbrow:

OJ was guilty? That wasn't what a jury said. Under your theory, he would have a right to sue as well.

The ballistics report wouldn't be in the police report, silly. They take weeks.

The report would say: the body was sent for ballistic tests.

The report doesn't say that.

The report is partial and redacted.

Yet you stated that wound ballistics were not conducted.

Which we do not know conclusively.

But thanks for clarifying, I understand your view on that now.

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Posted: 4/23/2012 8:59:45 AM
Originally Posted by djbrow:

OJ was guilty? That wasn't what a jury said. Under your theory, he would have a right to sue as well.

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No, as I said, the media didn't edit 9-11 calls or doctor videos to make OJ look guilty. In fact, they didn't really cover the story by "framing" the case to make him look guilty.

Zimmerman should sue NBC for defamation. That edited 9-11 transcript ran on multiple NBC network shows, the local Orlando NBC affilaite, and in print media outlets. Additionally, he was charged 4 days after in ran on the Today show.

I would love to see what discovery turned up on their internal discussion on making those editorial choices...

 

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Originally Posted by dl36:

Blowsit and 14daroad?

Why is the zimmerman case so important to you?

Like what is the personal investment?

You know for people like obama, alsharpton, etc their angle is obvious...

But i am trying figure out why you are so obsessed with this case?

dl36,

This case is very important to people who believe in few restrictions on owning firearms, believe in the unassailable right to self defense, believe America is fundamentally not racists, and believe your rights as a citizen shouldn't be trampled by mob rule.

In sum, it represents the sickness that is American liberalism.

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QUOTE Originally Posted by djbrow:

OJ was guilty? That wasn't what a jury said. Under your theory, he would have a right to sue as well.

The ballistics report wouldn't be in the police report, silly. They take weeks.

The report would say: the body was sent for ballistic tests.

The report doesn't say that.

You mean to say, the portion of the report you have seen doesn't say that, right? Also, it doesn't say "body sent for autopsy" either.

A full police report is not available to the public. The police reports that have been released say "PARTIAL ONLY" right at the top.

So again, I'm not sure why you kept saying wound ballistics were not done.

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