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Posted: 4/2/2012 1:39:22 PM

Because the facts are just not lining up with the narrative (which was was that the innocent teen was gunned down for merely "looking suspicious" by wearing a hoodie)

ABC News:

ABC News has re-digitized video of George Zimmerman taken shortly after Trayvon Martin’s shooting.

The video was unveiled as an exclusive this morning on “Good Morning America.” ABC was the first news organization to show the original tape.

Reporter Matt Gutman said the clearer video shows “what appear to be a pair of gashes or welts on George Zimmerman’s head.”

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Also note:

"I saw George. He was banged up. His head had two big bandages, that weren't flat, had a bump on them," the neighbor, who did not want to be identified, said.

He described where the injuries were.

"I seen him have a big bandage on his nose and his nose swollen. On the side, where his eyes were at, it was swollen," he said.

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The NYT refutes the meme that Zimmerman outweighed Martin by "100 pounds"


The neighborhood watch coordinator, 5 foot 9 and 170 pounds, and the visitor, 6 foot 1 and 150, wrestling on the ground.

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This is going to be ugly for the race hustlers who have so much invested in the narrative...

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Posted: 4/2/2012 1:39:50 PM

Oh, and:

NBC told this blog today that it would investigate its handling of a piece on the “Today” show that ham-handedly abridged the conversation between George Zimmerman and a dispatcher in the moments before the death of Trayvon Martin.

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Posted: 4/2/2012 1:49:36 PM
What about the screams and cries on the 911 tape?  That is a key.  Z said it was him.  If it shown not be, then he it paints a completely different story and makes him a liar.
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Posted: 4/2/2012 1:50:18 PM
Ham-handedly  =  incompetently
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Posted: 4/2/2012 1:51:59 PM
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Originally Posted by depeche2:

What about the screams and cries on the 911 tape?  That is a key.  Z said it was him.  If it shown not be, then he it paints a completely different story and makes him a liar.

Does the screams on the 911 tape show that it was Trayvon ?

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Originally Posted by depeche2:

What about the screams and cries on the 911 tape?  That is a key.  Z said it was him.  If it shown not be, then he it paints a completely different story and makes him a liar.

We will never know definitively who was on the 9-11 tape screaming for help.

Note, immediately after the shooting in the presence of a police officer and documented in the police report, Zimmerman said he was screaming for help.

 

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Posted: 4/2/2012 2:58:50 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by 14daroad:

We will never know definitively who was on the 9-11 tape screaming for help.

Note, immediately after the shooting in the presence of a police officer and documented in the police report, Zimmerman said he was screaming for help.

 



Sure, he's no dummy.  He figures the other guy ain't available to refute that.  He figures the most anyone else could say is that someone was screaming.  There would be no way refute that, short of possibly an actual recording which he didn't know was taking place.
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Posted: 4/2/2012 3:00:10 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by SarasotaSlim:

Does the screams on the 911 tape show that it was Trayvon ?



Well that will be interesting to see if that can be established.  I would assume there are some audio recordings of Trayvon that can be found.  Maybe some voicemails or something that can be compared.  Doesn't sound like that has been analyzed yet, but hopefully it can be.
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Posted: 4/2/2012 3:08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by depeche2:

What about the screams and cries on the 911 tape?  That is a key.  Z said it was him.  If it shown not be, then he it paints a completely different story and makes him a liar.

Ask Trayvons father. Oh wait..didnt he already say they are not the screams of his son?

 

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Posted: 4/2/2012 3:10:11 PM
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Well that will be interesting to see if that can be established.  I would assume there are some audio recordings of Trayvon that can be found.  Maybe some voicemails or something that can be compared.  Doesn't sound like that has been analyzed yet, but hopefully it can be.

Why would Trayvon need to scream for help? Was his head banging on the sidewalk? Was his nose broken?

Being asked about his presence is no cause for sceaming bloody murder.

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Posted: 4/2/2012 3:12:43 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by bowlslit:

Why would Trayvon need to scream for help? Was his head banging on the sidewalk? Was his nose broken?

Being asked about his presence is no cause for sceaming bloody murder.



Maybe because he had the barrel of a gun pointed at him?
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Posted: 4/2/2012 3:16:42 PM
If you listen to the tapes, I believe the "bloody murder screaming" immediately precedes the gunshot and then it's silence.  Would Z really be screaming and crying as he's grabbing his gun and pulling the trigger?

My guess is that Z had a gun pointed at Tray, maybe Z is saying he's going to shoot or maybe he says "beg for your life you friggin person" or whatever, and while the gun is pointed at him (and my guess is they are not engaged at this point) Tray is screaming to get someone's attention because he fears he is about to be shot.
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Posted: 4/2/2012 3:23:11 PM
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Maybe because he had the barrel of a gun pointed at him?

If he was pointing his gun at him then why did Trayvon not mention that to his girl when he asked him why are you following me?

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Posted: 4/2/2012 3:34:22 PM
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Originally Posted by depeche2:

If you listen to the tapes, I believe the "bloody murder screaming" immediately precedes the gunshot and then it's silence.  Would Z really be screaming and crying as he's grabbing his gun and pulling the trigger?

My guess is that Z had a gun pointed at Tray, maybe Z is saying he's going to shoot or maybe he says "beg for your life you friggin person" or whatever, and while the gun is pointed at him (and my guess is they are not engaged at this point) Tray is screaming to get someone's attention because he fears he is about to be shot.

Agree - either that or Martin was on top at 1 point & rolled him over (he was at least 50 lbs heavier) & got on top & that's when Martin started screamin for help either knowing Z had a gun or having it pointed at him & then Z shot him.

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Posted: 4/2/2012 3:38:00 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by bowlslit:

If he was pointing his gun at him then why did Trayvon not mention that to his girl when he asked him why are you following me?



Maybe because he only pulled out the gun in those last several seconds after they had already been disconnected.
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Posted: 4/2/2012 3:40:02 PM
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Maybe because he had the barrel of a gun pointed at him?

I thought that too..

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Posted: 4/2/2012 3:41:39 PM
You can hear on the neighbor's 911 that there were screams and cries in the several seconds leading up to the shooting and then stopped immediately after the gunshot.  It just doesn't make sense to me that Z would be screaming and crying while he's reaching for his gun and pulling trigger.  Now you might say they were fighting for control of the gun, but it just doesn't sound that way from the screams and cries.  It doesn't sound like screams and cries of someone locked in a life and death struggle at that moment.  It seems more logical to me that those were screams and cries from someone begging for their life with a gun pointed at them.

I'm just hypothesizing here.  No, I do not any of this for fact.  Just applying some logic.
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Posted: 4/2/2012 3:44:46 PM

"Z rolled him over"

If the voice screamin for help was not Z's, only makes sense that it was Martin's cuz it stopped immediately after the gunshot. And the voice experts with the latest technology say that they tested 300 different folks voice the same way as Z's & came up with at least a 99% match on all of them. With Z's it was 48% leading them to say with reasonable certainty it was not Z's voice.

With his record & history, this guy should not only never been a watchman, he definitely shouldn't have had a gun permit -

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Posted: 4/2/2012 3:47:12 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by cashin:

Agree - either that or Martin was on top at 1 point & rolled him over (he was at least 50 lbs heavier) & got on top & that's when Martin started screamin for help either knowing Z had a gun or having it pointed at him & then Z shot him.

I can see the posibility of some rolling around ..wasn't Trayvon's body found some distance from the concrete walkway ..?  But,if from the pic's I saw at the Stanford police station  ..if Zimmerman was 50 ibs.heavier.. than Trayvon would have to weigh 120 lbs..

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Posted: 4/2/2012 3:55:29 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by 14daroad:

Because the facts are just not lining up with the narrative (which was was that the innocent teen was gunned down for merely "looking suspicious" by wearing a hoodie)

ABC News:

ABC News has re-digitized video of George Zimmerman taken shortly after Trayvon Martin’s shooting.

The video was unveiled as an exclusive this morning on “Good Morning America.” ABC was the first news organization to show the original tape.

Reporter Matt Gutman said the clearer video shows “what appear to be a pair of gashes or welts on George Zimmerman’s head.”

==========

Also note:

"I saw George. He was banged up. His head had two big bandages, that weren't flat, had a bump on them," the neighbor, who did not want to be identified, said.

He described where the injuries were.

"I seen him have a big bandage on his nose and his nose swollen. On the side, where his eyes were at, it was swollen," he said.

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The NYT refutes the meme that Zimmerman outweighed Martin by "100 pounds"


The neighborhood watch coordinator, 5 foot 9 and 170 pounds, and the visitor, 6 foot 1 and 150, wrestling on the ground.

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This is going to be ugly for the race hustlers who have so much invested in the narrative...

Where were these big bandages on the nose & head just 30-45 minutes later at the police station where the video shows no serious or discernable injuries?

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But,what do we do about the eye witness ?

Police in Sanford, Fla., have said that Austin Brown, who went out to walk his dog on Feb. 26 near where Trayvon was shot, saw Zimmerman lying in the grass crying for help just before the slaying.

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Posted: 4/2/2012 4:09:06 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by cashin:

"Z rolled him over"

If the voice screamin for help was not Z's, only makes sense that it was Martin's cuz it stopped immediately after the gunshot. And the voice experts with the latest technology say that they tested 300 different folks voice the same way as Z's & came up with at least a 99% match on all of them. With Z's it was 48% leading them to say with reasonable certainty it was not Z's voice.

With his record & history, this guy should not only never been a watchman, he definitely shouldn't have had a gun permit -

Actually, it would make sense for Zimmerman to have stopped screaming once he shot Trayvon. If Trayvon was smacking his head on the pavement it would absolutely make sense that he was screaming and stopped once the threat was eliminated.

The police dropped the charge of assualt. You can't take his gun rights away without a charge.

ONE BIG KEY VOICE FACT. TRAYVONS FATHER SAID IT WASN'T HIS SONS VOICE. ALSO 13 YEAR OLD WITNESS TESTIFIED THE ONE ON THE BOTTOM WAS SCREAMING.

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Posted: 4/2/2012 4:11:33 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Trayvon did throw the first punch.  Could be wrong, but I tend to believe the part that they exchanged words and Tray took a swing.  That's definitely not implausible.  And I am more confident that they then engaged in a short tussle on the ground.  But the 911 tapes lead me to believe that they were not immediately engaged when Z shot T and that T was screaming, crying and begging for his life when Z pulled the gun on him  I think Z got so enraged that this black kid took a swing at him and hurt his nose that he just snapped and shot him.  Maybe he can argue he suffered a mild concussion that effected his judgment.

I don't think this is 1st degree though.  Premeditated intent to kill would probably be tough to show.  2nd degree murder.
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You can hear on the neighbor's 911 that there were screams and cries in the several seconds leading up to the shooting and then stopped immediately after the gunshot.  It just doesn't make sense to me that Z would be screaming and crying while he's reaching for his gun and pulling trigger.  Now you might say they were fighting for control of the gun, but it just doesn't sound that way from the screams and cries.  It doesn't sound like screams and cries of someone locked in a life and death struggle at that moment.  It seems more logical to me that those were screams and cries from someone begging for their life with a gun pointed at them.

I'm just hypothesizing here.  No, I do not any of this for fact.  Just applying some logic.

You guys are just making garbage up because your brains can't handle the truth. You can't imagine a 17 year old suspected burglar that was suspended from school and suspected of throwing down on a school bus driver was killed in self defense.

You can't possibly look at this thing objectively.

In my head I tried making the case both ways and Zimmermans story held the most water.

You guys should try to do the same thing if you can look at it without emotion..again...without emotion...without emotion

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Posted: 4/2/2012 4:18:08 PM
QUOTE Originally Posted by cashin:

"Z rolled him over"

If the voice screamin for help was not Z's, only makes sense that it was Martin's cuz it stopped immediately after the gunshot. And the voice experts with the latest technology say that they tested 300 different folks voice the same way as Z's & came up with at least a 99% match on all of them. With Z's it was 48% leading them to say with reasonable certainty it was not Z's voice.

With his record & history, this guy should not only never been a watchman, he definitely shouldn't have had a gun permit -



48% aint 0%.  CROSS  this to recordings of Martin and run the scream test through whatever science the audio folks use.

one dude has a bunch of marks, the other not(just a gsw).  id bet on the dude with the facial trauma being the screamer.

I can assure you that you do not scream if a gun is out and pointed at you.  you either fight/run or as would be typical, you tell the other person not to shoot you in a begging sort of way.  ive been on both ends....no screaming.
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